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HELP! My cat runs my house!
On Nov 25, 7:19 pm, "dejablues" wrote:
wrote in message ... On Nov 24, 8:47 pm, AR wrote: Thanks everyone. I think he's about 8 or 9. A tenant left him. He was a used cat ;-). He still has a waist, but his stomach hangs a bit. The behavior started right after I had locked him the bathroom for a half hour as he wasn't allowing my mom to eat in peace. He peed on the rug there.We kept the rug up until needed and the behavior stopped even though there were other rugs he had access to.. I heard rubber backing attracts them and they are all rubber backed. He also uses the litter box to pee. I will pay more attention to the amount and scent. He seems to do though as a protest when he doesn't get what he wants. He doesn't seem to drink that much. He uses his litter box most of the time and starts peeing on the rugs when he doesn't get his way or wants to annoy me.. He hadn't peed on the other rugs for several months after we took the other one up, but started to in the last few weeks. I read if there is an infection they associate the litter box with pain and pee on something soft, but he uses the box daily. He seems fine otherwise. He does run away when I yell at him. In addition to what Peter said, you need to stop yelling at him and locking him away when his behavior inconveniences you. He is desperately trying to tell you something and you aren't listening. Why would he trust you and want to please you if you are scaring him so. And take him to the vet, ASAP. Cats with urinary problems will sometimes pee in their box as well, and symptoms can some and go. He is not doing it to spite or annoy you, because even though we sometimes think so, they do no think like people. Make the effort to bond with him, or give him away. He's always gone out although I know he shouldn't as he's declawed. I love to watch him run outside and he can't do that indoors. He will get heavier I would think. I just don't think it's fair to keep him in to sit around all day, and sleep and eat. We have loads of windows he can perch next to and look out, but don't they also need to run and get exercise? We still let him out it's just not at exactly the time he wants. He meows his head off and then gets ****ed off literally if I won't let him out! I don't want to let him out of the apt. as if I can't go down and open the front door, and no one else lets him out he pees in the basement as there's no litter box there. Thanks again guys for all your help. You have a lot going on. DO test for a urinary infection, diabetes or kidney stones before engaging in any disciplinary behavior. Further to that, if your cat is a good eater (and 16 pounds might suggest that) you might try getting nutmeg grater and grating a *SMALL* amount of natural Vitamin C into his food every other day until you have a good diagnosis for any other problems (and tell your Vet that you are doing this). This will serve to acidify his urine which will help dissolve stones (if that is the problem) and flush out any sort of fungal infection. It WILL NOT help any other sort of infection - but it will cause a small amount of burning if there is such an infection - and your cat's reaction will be indicative. Our vet strongly suggests the Vitamin C treatment for male cats prone to stones as a continuing preventative treatment, and whenever treating for an infection suggests it as a palliative during the rest of the treatment. Small = a few mg. no more. Natural, so that it will not repel the cat. It will not help for diabetes at all. Consider that a cat that has been declawed would be as if you had your fingers cut off at the first knuckle. It is a painful procedure when it happens and causes continuing irritation for the rest of the cat's life. You did state that this was a 'used' cat - from the fact that it has beend declawed it has been very badly used. How you got it - as an abandoned left-over - suggests the same. Likely the cat bites a bit more than normal - adaptation to not having claws with which to signal displeasure. Do understand that cats with this handicap must never be outdoors without supervision. They are utterly helpless if attacked, cannot climb properly and cannot even run properly should they need claws for traction. This adds to your complications. So, verify that it is healthy. Treat it for any problems you discover. Once treated, there are enzymatic solvents to remove any traces of old urine and gentle behavior modification will take care of the rest. A couple of cautions when it comes to cleaning: a) Bleach: Do not use bleach immediately around your cat. It is a perfectly acceptable cleaning agent as long as your cat is not directly exposed to it or will not walk on a wet bleached surface (then licking its paws). As you keep reading, bleach may become more and more attractive. b) Pine-Sol or any Pine-Oil cleaner: Don't. Ever. Pine oils are analogous to Phenols and cause quick and often permanent damage to any of the cat species, large or small. They contain terpenes which damages their livers and by extension their kidneys. Read any cleaner labels and keep away from anything containing terpenes (pine oils). Similarly menthol - less toxic, but still related to terpenes. c) Anything at all containing Phenol - liquid Lysol or _ANY_ similar material. Just don't. Toxic in microscopic amounts, fatal in tiny amounts, and typically such cleaners are designed to leave a antiseptic residue - not good. The general rule-of-thumb around cats is any cleaner or solvent that goes 'milky' in water should be avoided. You will get through this and the both of you will be happier for it. Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA Thanks Peter for telling him off. I just tried to ignore it. No, I didn't declaw him, or neuter him, and if I didn't take him in he would be out on the street as a stray, or worse yet, picked up and killed. He leads a great life and is spoiled rotten and lives like a king. He gets ham, and milk--no he's not kosher, fresh chicken and turkey, tuna and more. I do love cats, but I am a novice at it. We have taken up all the small area rugs. If he continues to pee out of the box, I will definitely take him to the vet ASAP. I will see if his urine is sweet and check for blood in it. He's been outside for 6+ years with no issues, but your advice is well taken. He is a little ****, but he's my big little **** and I do love him. I will pick him up and give him a good long cuddle and tell him I'm sorry for yelling at him. Thanks again for all your contributions to my problems with him. |
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On Nov 25, 8:16*pm, AR wrote:
Thanks Peter for telling him off. I just tried to ignore it. No, I didn't declaw him, or neuter him, and if I didn't take him in he would be out on the street as a stray, or worse yet, picked up and killed. He leads a great life and is spoiled rotten and lives like a king. He gets ham, and milk--no he's not kosher, fresh chicken and turkey, tuna and more. I do love cats, but I am a novice at it. We have taken up all the small area rugs. If he continues to pee out of the box, I will definitely take him to the vet ASAP. I will see if his urine is sweet and check for blood in it. He's been outside for 6+ years with no issues, but your advice is well taken. He is a little ****, but he's my big little **** and I do love him. I will pick him up and give him a good long cuddle and tell him I'm sorry for yelling at him. Thanks again for all your contributions to my problems with him A couple of things - which might help some. a) About 80% of all adult cats are lactose-intolerant. So, milk is not always a good thing to feed him, even if he really loves it. Similarly cheese, ice-cream or other milk-based foods. b) Many forms of ham and processed meats are very salty. This could (and does often in altered cats) contribute to kidney stones. There is _NOTHING_ wrong with feeding cats with the occasional bit of 'people- food', but not as a steady diet. High-salt, high-preservative stuff should be quite limited. Processed meats are significant offenders here. c) Cats need taurine as a steady part of their diet. Without it, they will have all sorts of problems and eventually get several sorts of nasty deficiency diseases as well as severe digestive problems. So, a proper 'cat food' should be the bulk of his diet. Or, if your cat will take it, you may use taurine supplements instead. I know of several 'vintage' cats who must have a very bland diet and do quite well on white chicken, corn sprouts for roughage (just plant some popcorn) and a high-taurine cat-specific supplement. Your vet can advise you on this and other diet options, nor is it at all expensive. d) There is also nothing wrong with neutering cats - the alternative in males is often, but not always, scent-marking, roaming, fighting and other potentially unhappy behaviors - and unwanted kittens, yet worse. In females, continuous litters, roaming, marking... . You are doing a good thing by taking on this companion. And do not expect to know everything or always do the politically correct thing every time. Life is a balance between risk and happiness for cats as well as their people, and only you know what is best for the two of you. So, in the words of the poet, illigitimi non carborundum, follow your heart and your common sense. Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA |
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"AR" wrote in message ... He gets ham, and milk--no he's not kosher, fresh chicken and turkey, tuna and more. I do love cats, but I am a novice at it. We have taken up all the small area rugs. If he continues to pee out of the box, I will definitely take him to the vet ASAP. I will see if his urine is sweet and check for blood in it. Regardless of where he pees, he *needs* to go to the vet. You may see blood, but by the time you do, the cat is in serious condition. You will not see traces of blood, or white blood cells, crystals, or bacteria is his urine, only a urine test can show those. His urine may smell stronger than usual, or it may not, and sweet-smelling urine may or may not happen, but don't wait - take him to the vet. You seem to be resisting the vet, and I'm telling you now, it may get expensive. He also needs a diet of good cat food. What you are feeding him now is fine for a very occasional treat, but not as his whole source of nutrition. Salty and rich foods put a tremendous load on his kidneys. Stop feeding him that stuff and giving him milk. Encourage him to drink water by changing it frequently os leaving a tap running, if he likes that. People here have lots of cat experience so don't get ****ed when they get frustrated with noobs, and don't just listen to the advice of people who talk nice to you. You will miss a lot that way. |
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HELP! My cat runs my house!
On Nov 25, 7:19*am, " wrote:
On Nov 24, 8:47*pm, AR wrote: Thanks everyone. I think he's about 8 or 9. A tenant left him. He was a used cat ;-). He still has a waist, but his stomach hangs a bit. The behavior started right after I had locked him the bathroom for a half hour as he wasn't allowing my mom to eat in peace. He peed on the rug there.We kept the rug up until needed and the behavior stopped even though there were other rugs he had access to.. I heard rubber backing attracts them and they are all rubber backed. He also uses the litter box to pee. I will pay more attention to the amount and scent. He seems to do though as a protest when he doesn't get what he wants. He doesn't seem to drink that much. He uses his litter box most of the time and starts peeing on the rugs when he doesn't get his way or wants to annoy me.. He hadn't peed on the other rugs for several months after we took the other one up, but started to in the last few weeks. I read if there is an infection they associate the litter box with pain and pee on something soft, but he uses the box daily. He seems fine otherwise. He does run away when I yell at him. He's always gone out although I know he shouldn't as he's declawed. I love to watch him run outside and he can't do that indoors. He will get heavier I would think. I just don't think it's fair to keep him in to sit around all day, and sleep and eat. We have loads of windows he can perch next to and look out, but don't they also need to run and get exercise? We still let him out it's just not at exactly the time he wants. *He meows his head off and then gets ****ed off literally if I won't let him out! I don't want to let him out of the apt. as if I can't go down and open the front door, and no one else lets him out he pees in the basement as there's no litter box there. Thanks again guys for all your help. You have a lot going on. DO test for a urinary infection, diabetes or kidney stones before engaging in any disciplinary behavior. Further to that, if your cat is a good eater (and 16 pounds might suggest that) you might try getting nutmeg grater and grating a *SMALL* amount of natural Vitamin C into his food every other day until you have a good diagnosis for any other problems (and tell your Vet that you are doing this). This will serve to acidify his urine which will help dissolve stones (if that is the problem) and flush out any sort of fungal infection. It WILL NOT help any other sort of infection - but it will cause a small amount of burning if there is such an infection - and your cat's reaction will be indicative. Our vet strongly suggests the Vitamin C treatment for male cats prone to stones as a continuing preventative treatment, and whenever treating for an infection suggests it as a palliative during the rest of the treatment. Small = a few mg. no more. Natural, so that it will not repel the cat. It will not help for diabetes at all. Consider that a cat that has been declawed would be as if you had your fingers cut off at the first knuckle. It is a painful procedure when it happens and causes continuing irritation for the rest of the cat's life. You did state that this was a 'used' cat - from the fact that it has beend declawed it has been very badly used. How you got it - as an abandoned left-over - suggests the same. Likely the cat bites a bit more than normal - adaptation to not having claws with which to signal displeasure. Do understand that cats with this handicap must never be outdoors without supervision. They are utterly helpless if attacked, cannot climb properly and cannot even run properly should they need claws for traction. This adds to your complications. So, verify that it is healthy. Treat it for any problems you discover. Once treated, there are enzymatic solvents to remove any traces of old urine and gentle behavior modification will take care of the rest. A couple of cautions when it comes to cleaning: a) Bleach: Do not use bleach immediately around your cat. It is a perfectly acceptable cleaning agent as long as your cat is not directly exposed to it or will not walk on a wet bleached surface (then licking its paws). As you keep reading, bleach may become more and more attractive. b) Pine-Sol or any Pine-Oil cleaner: Don't. Ever. Pine oils are analogous to Phenols and cause quick and often permanent damage to any of the cat species, large or small. They contain terpenes which damages their livers and by extension their kidneys. Read any cleaner labels and keep away from anything containing terpenes (pine oils). Similarly menthol - less toxic, but still related to terpenes. c) Anything at all containing Phenol - liquid Lysol or _ANY_ similar material. Just don't. Toxic in microscopic amounts, fatal in tiny amounts, and typically such cleaners are designed to leave a antiseptic residue - not good. The general rule-of-thumb around cats is any cleaner or solvent that goes 'milky' in water should be avoided. You will get through this and the both of you will be happier for it. Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA The nutmeg idea sounded so interesting I just tried it and Snappy felt INCREDIBLY INSULTED. His eyes got enormous and he backed up looking VERY VERY BETRAYED. Such a poor cat. But he perked up and now he is chasing a little ball. Your story about what declawing actually is all about is horrid. How unkind to do that to an animal. AR's cat has had a hard life and AR is very kind to come to his rescue. |
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On Nov 25, 8:40 pm, " wrote:
On Nov 25, 8:16 pm, AR wrote: Thanks Peter for telling him off. I just tried to ignore it. No, I didn't declaw him, or neuter him, and if I didn't take him in he would be out on the street as a stray, or worse yet, picked up and killed. He leads a great life and is spoiled rotten and lives like a king. He gets ham, and milk--no he's not kosher, fresh chicken and turkey, tuna and more. I do love cats, but I am a novice at it. We have taken up all the small area rugs. If he continues to pee out of the box, I will definitely take him to the vet ASAP. I will see if his urine is sweet and check for blood in it. He's been outside for 6+ years with no issues, but your advice is well taken. He is a little ****, but he's my big little **** and I do love him. I will pick him up and give him a good long cuddle and tell him I'm sorry for yelling at him. Thanks again for all your contributions to my problems with him A couple of things - which might help some. a) About 80% of all adult cats are lactose-intolerant. So, milk is not always a good thing to feed him, even if he really loves it. Similarly cheese, ice-cream or other milk-based foods. b) Many forms of ham and processed meats are very salty. This could (and does often in altered cats) contribute to kidney stones. There is _NOTHING_ wrong with feeding cats with the occasional bit of 'people- food', but not as a steady diet. High-salt, high-preservative stuff should be quite limited. Processed meats are significant offenders here. c) Cats need taurine as a steady part of their diet. Without it, they will have all sorts of problems and eventually get several sorts of nasty deficiency diseases as well as severe digestive problems. So, a proper 'cat food' should be the bulk of his diet. Or, if your cat will take it, you may use taurine supplements instead. I know of several 'vintage' cats who must have a very bland diet and do quite well on white chicken, corn sprouts for roughage (just plant some popcorn) and a high-taurine cat-specific supplement. Your vet can advise you on this and other diet options, nor is it at all expensive. d) There is also nothing wrong with neutering cats - the alternative in males is often, but not always, scent-marking, roaming, fighting and other potentially unhappy behaviors - and unwanted kittens, yet worse. In females, continuous litters, roaming, marking... . You are doing a good thing by taking on this companion. And do not expect to know everything or always do the politically correct thing every time. Life is a balance between risk and happiness for cats as well as their people, and only you know what is best for the two of you. So, in the words of the poet, illigitimi non carborundum, follow your heart and your common sense. Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA Hi again! The bulk of his diet is Healhwise cat food. I chose it as it had no artificial ingredients in it , or chicken by products. He just gets a 1/2 slice of ham about once a week. I didn't realize salt was a problem. Thanks for letting me know. He has no loose stools or other problems from the milk I can see so maybe he's not lactose intolerant. If he's lactose intolerant wouldn't there be symptoms of that? I don't want to give it to him if it's no good for him. I've been reading a lot about spite and cats on the net and have read stories where the cats behavior could only be spite, and have read where cat professionals DO think some cat behavior is spite. I believe if a cat can hiss when displeased he can do something he knows his owner doesn't like either if displeased, like pee. Since it happens within 10 minutes of when he doesn't get what he wants it is a bit suspect. I will watch him carefully and keep him fin or a few days so I can watch him. I'm not there where the cat is all the time, as he's taken care of by my mom's caretaker when I'm not there. He will go to the vet on Monday if needed. Thanks again for all your help! |
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On Nov 25, 10:11*pm, honeybunch wrote:
On Nov 25, 7:19*am, " wrote: On Nov 24, 8:47*pm, AR wrote: Thanks everyone. I think he's about 8 or 9. A tenant left him. He was a used cat ;-). He still has a waist, but his stomach hangs a bit. The behavior started right after I had locked him the bathroom for a half hour as he wasn't allowing my mom to eat in peace. He peed on the rug there.We kept the rug up until needed and the behavior stopped even though there were other rugs he had access to.. I heard rubber backing attracts them and they are all rubber backed. He also uses the litter box to pee. I will pay more attention to the amount and scent. He seems to do though as a protest when he doesn't get what he wants. He doesn't seem to drink that much. He uses his litter box most of the time and starts peeing on the rugs when he doesn't get his way or wants to annoy me.. He hadn't peed on the other rugs for several months after we took the other one up, but started to in the last few weeks. I read if there is an infection they associate the litter box with pain and pee on something soft, but he uses the box daily. He seems fine otherwise. He does run away when I yell at him. He's always gone out although I know he shouldn't as he's declawed. I love to watch him run outside and he can't do that indoors. He will get heavier I would think. I just don't think it's fair to keep him in to sit around all day, and sleep and eat. We have loads of windows he can perch next to and look out, but don't they also need to run and get exercise? We still let him out it's just not at exactly the time he wants. *He meows his head off and then gets ****ed off literally if I won't let him out! I don't want to let him out of the apt. as if I can't go down and open the front door, and no one else lets him out he pees in the basement as there's no litter box there. Thanks again guys for all your help. You have a lot going on. DO test for a urinary infection, diabetes or kidney stones before engaging in any disciplinary behavior. Further to that, if your cat is a good eater (and 16 pounds might suggest that) you might try getting nutmeg grater and grating a *SMALL* amount of natural Vitamin C into his food every other day until you have a good diagnosis for any other problems (and tell your Vet that you are doing this). This will serve to acidify his urine which will help dissolve stones (if that is the problem) and flush out any sort of fungal infection. It WILL NOT help any other sort of infection - but it will cause a small amount of burning if there is such an infection - and your cat's reaction will be indicative. Our vet strongly suggests the Vitamin C treatment for male cats prone to stones as a continuing preventative treatment, and whenever treating for an infection suggests it as a palliative during the rest of the treatment. Small = a few mg. no more. Natural, so that it will not repel the cat. It will not help for diabetes at all. Consider that a cat that has been declawed would be as if you had your fingers cut off at the first knuckle. It is a painful procedure when it happens and causes continuing irritation for the rest of the cat's life. You did state that this was a 'used' cat - from the fact that it has beend declawed it has been very badly used. How you got it - as an abandoned left-over - suggests the same. Likely the cat bites a bit more than normal - adaptation to not having claws with which to signal displeasure. Do understand that cats with this handicap must never be outdoors without supervision. They are utterly helpless if attacked, cannot climb properly and cannot even run properly should they need claws for traction. This adds to your complications. So, verify that it is healthy. Treat it for any problems you discover. Once treated, there are enzymatic solvents to remove any traces of old urine and gentle behavior modification will take care of the rest. A couple of cautions when it comes to cleaning: a) Bleach: Do not use bleach immediately around your cat. It is a perfectly acceptable cleaning agent as long as your cat is not directly exposed to it or will not walk on a wet bleached surface (then licking its paws). As you keep reading, bleach may become more and more attractive. b) Pine-Sol or any Pine-Oil cleaner: Don't. Ever. Pine oils are analogous to Phenols and cause quick and often permanent damage to any of the cat species, large or small. They contain terpenes which damages their livers and by extension their kidneys. Read any cleaner labels and keep away from anything containing terpenes (pine oils). Similarly menthol - less toxic, but still related to terpenes. c) Anything at all containing Phenol - liquid Lysol or _ANY_ similar material. Just don't. Toxic in microscopic amounts, fatal in tiny amounts, and typically such cleaners are designed to leave a antiseptic residue - not good. The general rule-of-thumb around cats is any cleaner or solvent that goes 'milky' in water should be avoided. You will get through this and the both of you will be happier for it. Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA The nutmeg idea sounded so interesting I just tried it and Snappy felt INCREDIBLY INSULTED. *His eyes got enormous and he backed up looking VERY *VERY BETRAYED. *Such a poor cat. *But he perked up and now he is chasing a little ball. Your story about what *declawing actually is all about is horrid. *How unkind to do that to an animal. AR's cat has had a hard life and AR is very kind to come to his rescue.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Um.... nutmeg GRATER to grate NATURAL VITAMIN C into his food to acidify his urine. If you do, by some strange confluence of circumstances, manage to get nutmeg inside your cat... well... just be aware that as far as cats are concerned, it is a natural psychedelic. No wonder his eyes got huge - you were offering him feline LSD (note, not every cat is affected by nutmeg as psychedelic, but all cats can get ill from it - so avoid it anyway). Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA |
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wrote in message ... Or, as is often the case, neutered males will have a (relatively) small urethra and be prone to bladder infections and/or kidney stones. That's an old, outdated, and very dangerous myth.that you really shouldn't perpetuate. There are more than enough idiots that don't neuter their pets for a variety of utterly stupid reasons as it is- please don't give them another stupid reason. The below is an excerpt from a report by the Winn Foundation. Although it was designed to support early-age neutering, the results still apply since the control group weren't neutered until sexual maturity. "Group 1 (11 kittens) were neutered or spayed at 7 weeks of age. Group 2 (11 kittens) were neutered or spayed at 7 months. Group 3 (the control group of 9 kittens) were not neutered until maturity and after the completion of the first phase of the study at 12 months. "Observations of urinary tract development showed no differences between the three groups other than the differences related to sex and these were consistent across all groups. The investigators measured the diameter of the urethra in the male kittens only and found no differences between the groups. Concerns have been raised that early neutering would result in smaller diameters in the urinary tract, resulting in an increased incidence of cystitis and related problems. This does not appear to be the case. The main differences observed between the groups occurred in the comparison of secondary sex characteristics. Males were examined for differences in the development of the penis and prepuce (skin covering the penis), as well as for the development of penile spines. The penile spines were absent in Group 1, smaller than normal in Group 2, and normally developed in Group 3. In the examination of the female kittens, investigators found that the vulvas were more infantile in Groups 1 and 2 and normal in Group 3. None of these differences had any impact on the ability to catheterize the kittens. Concerns that development of the urinary tract might be arrested or impaired by early spaying and neutering proved unsupported. " http://www.cfa.org/articles/health/early-neuter.html Phil |
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AR wrote:
We have a 16 lb. nuetered American shorthair that's the man of the house. If he meows and I don't let him out he goes and pees on my kitchen rug a few minutes later! He shows his displeasure in peeing on any rug he can find if he doesn't like something. He also pees in the little box, and I'm sure this is spite. I've taken up any rug I can, and have put citronella oil the rest, but no dice. He free feeds and I have replaced his food dish with the soiled rug for a few hours so he would get the idea, brought him over to the soiled rug and yelled at him, put his food dish on top of that rug as I know cats won't eat where they pee, but he just went over to the other side to access the dish. I suppose this is too late for you, but here is some real practical advice from a technician... If you want to keep a cat, the litter box area must be tension free. When an excrement related problem develops, you must use your head and solve it indirectly. The litter box area is critical that way, do not discipline your cat in the litter box area. Good luck. |
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Longtime regular patently offensive troll,
uses the pretense of a love for cats as an excuse to insult others "cybercat" cyberpurrs yahoo.com wrote: Path: news.astraweb.com!border1.newsrouter.astraweb.com! news.glorb.com!news2!news.nonexiste.net!news.nonex iste.net!feeder.erje.net!news.motzarella.org!motza rella.org!news.motzarella.org!not-for-mail From: "cybercat" cyberpurrs yahoo.com Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav Subject: HELP! My cat runs my house! Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 00:30:56 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 9 Message-ID: ggg2i7$nhs$1 news.motzarella.org References: 58f7888e-eba1-4e0e-8ad5-6e4db1ca8bd7 y18g2000yqn.googlegroups.com 4c5740df-dd04-423e-b370-75021e3cf674 t11g2000yqg.googlegroups.com 77206108-26b0-4c63-a396-0501d063007e u14g2000yqg.googlegroups.com X-Trace: news.motzarella.org U2FsdGVkX1/BxmC85xPlw9ZMJ50Wdb3tVBR9dK8n9SI16ZGrD1pLCO6HU/ReRJ/UJTm7qwCR3X64tohtL/qjz6x6bfxLV+rHD5VSdIjUfrRjvlpKQpxCZiRNl1G5IyAB8VrX 61AKU/M= X-Complaints-To: Please send complaints to abuse motzarella.org with full headers NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 05:30:47 +0000 (UTC) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX18bn1g3qGOtFU6+IdBqoVqIGEeiPUY9Hob56ujaOe VklQ== Cancel-Lock: sha1:xLZ/ax4xufOEqt99PVtprWKBPcc= X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal "AR" alanryder aol.com wrote He's always gone out although I know he shouldn't as he's declawed. Asshole.\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ |
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HELP! My cat runs my house!
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"cybercat" wrote: "AR" wrote He's always gone out although I know he shouldn't as he's declawed. Definitely not. That is something I look for in a stray. If it is declawed, I would try hard to adopt it. It probably would be a challenge to keep healthy, like making stuff that it can (and would be motivated to) climb on, without having to use its claws. Asshole.\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ She did not declaw the cat, JudgeMental. You are a piece of work - and dangerous to boot. Had the OP followed your initial advice and her cat (likely) had a medical condition, your advice would have killed it. Keep that in what passes for your mind as you read further. And now you blame her for the declawing? She clearly stated "Used Cat". From her questions, she is also clearly not a "cat person", nor has had much experience with cats. Further, she is trying, reading up on them and coming here. Where she meets a thoughtless jackass - you. Imagine how much that will turn her on towards asking for advice. That is the problem. JudgeMental and her defender pretend to love cats, while she insults people, turning them off to asking about or discussing cats here. |
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