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#61
September 16th 03, 03:38 AM
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In article Q7u9b.5275$v%5.51@fed1read02,
"Cat Protector" wrote: Wiccans and satanists have also used Pentagrams. Wiccans are clearly Pagan, and Satanists are also, I believe. Priscilla -- The Episcopal Church welcomes you... and you... and you.... 
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September 16th 03, 03:38 AM
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In article Q7u9b.5275$v%5.51@fed1read02,
"Cat Protector" wrote: Wiccans and satanists have also used Pentagrams. Wiccans are clearly Pagan, and Satanists are also, I believe. Priscilla -- The Episcopal Church welcomes you... and you... and you....
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#63
September 16th 03, 04:59 AM
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"Priscilla Ballou" wrote in message news  In article Q7u9b.5275$v%5.51@fed1read02, "Cat Protector" wrote: Wiccans and satanists have also used Pentagrams. Wiccans are clearly Pagan, and Satanists are also, I believe. Well, without getting into a huge discussion on terminology. Satanist are pagans in the most base meaning of the word. Most pagans are now using the term neopagan to try and differentiate but really the more accepted definition of a Pagan is one who's spiritual path is Earth centered and who's members respect the earth and live in harmony with the earths cycles. The Native Americans were pagans..(as were thousands of cultures before them) and most modern day pagans try to nourish the earth in much the same way. Satanist..if I understand them correctly..don't really consider themselves "evil" or worship the dark lord but they don't observe the same Karmic laws as Wiccan's and they don't believe in the spirit being higher than the material self. Honestly, it is all so intermixed. I read a wonderful book by Raven Grimassi just this weekend called the spirit of the Witch. He describes a gathering of people forming a circle with a large crystal in the center. Each person describes the crystal and of course each person see's the crystal a little differently. Some see sharp edges, other see smooth surface,..etc. Each of them is right and see the "true" crystal but only from their own perspective. Only by weaving their experience together can one know the true crystal...and then there are still hundreds of perspectives (above and below) that are yet explored. I see...(as Raven did) religions as being that way. Each of us see the truth from our own perspective. Each of us is right and each of us is wrong. Only the most stubborn will refuse to accept anothers point of view as being "true" (if only from thier perspective). It's a great analogy. I have just read the book but I hope that visual sticks with me always. AG (done with religion...I swear to ...err...I promise g) Priscilla -- The Episcopal Church welcomes you... and you... and you....
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September 16th 03, 04:59 AM
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"Priscilla Ballou" wrote in message news In article Q7u9b.5275$v%5.51@fed1read02, "Cat Protector" wrote: Wiccans and satanists have also used Pentagrams. Wiccans are clearly Pagan, and Satanists are also, I believe. Well, without getting into a huge discussion on terminology. Satanist are pagans in the most base meaning of the word. Most pagans are now using the term neopagan to try and differentiate but really the more accepted definition of a Pagan is one who's spiritual path is Earth centered and who's members respect the earth and live in harmony with the earths cycles. The Native Americans were pagans..(as were thousands of cultures before them) and most modern day pagans try to nourish the earth in much the same way. Satanist..if I understand them correctly..don't really consider themselves "evil" or worship the dark lord but they don't observe the same Karmic laws as Wiccan's and they don't believe in the spirit being higher than the material self. Honestly, it is all so intermixed. I read a wonderful book by Raven Grimassi just this weekend called the spirit of the Witch. He describes a gathering of people forming a circle with a large crystal in the center. Each person describes the crystal and of course each person see's the crystal a little differently. Some see sharp edges, other see smooth surface,..etc. Each of them is right and see the "true" crystal but only from their own perspective. Only by weaving their experience together can one know the true crystal...and then there are still hundreds of perspectives (above and below) that are yet explored. I see...(as Raven did) religions as being that way. Each of us see the truth from our own perspective. Each of us is right and each of us is wrong. Only the most stubborn will refuse to accept anothers point of view as being "true" (if only from thier perspective). It's a great analogy. I have just read the book but I hope that visual sticks with me always. AG (done with religion...I swear to ...err...I promise g) Priscilla -- The Episcopal Church welcomes you... and you... and you....
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#65
September 16th 03, 09:46 AM
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Yes but you asked for religions and two such examples were given here.
-- Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com "Priscilla Ballou" wrote in message news In article Q7u9b.5275$v%5.51@fed1read02, "Cat Protector" wrote: Wiccans and satanists have also used Pentagrams. Wiccans are clearly Pagan, and Satanists are also, I believe. Priscilla -- The Episcopal Church welcomes you... and you... and you....
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#66
September 16th 03, 09:46 AM
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Yes but you asked for religions and two such examples were given here.
-- Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com "Priscilla Ballou" wrote in message news In article Q7u9b.5275$v%5.51@fed1read02, "Cat Protector" wrote: Wiccans and satanists have also used Pentagrams. Wiccans are clearly Pagan, and Satanists are also, I believe. Priscilla -- The Episcopal Church welcomes you... and you... and you....
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#67
September 16th 03, 08:31 PM
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On Tue, 16 Sep 2003, Priscilla Ballou wrote:
Wiccans are clearly Pagan, and Satanists are also, I believe. LOL ...you believe huh?
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#68
September 16th 03, 08:31 PM
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On Tue, 16 Sep 2003, Priscilla Ballou wrote:
Wiccans are clearly Pagan, and Satanists are also, I believe. LOL ...you believe huh?
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#69
September 16th 03, 08:56 PM
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As negative as they are satanists are considered a Paganistic religion.
-- Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com "Dee" wrote in message ... On Tue, 16 Sep 2003, Priscilla Ballou wrote: Wiccans are clearly Pagan, and Satanists are also, I believe. LOL ...you believe huh?
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#70
September 16th 03, 08:56 PM
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As negative as they are satanists are considered a Paganistic religion.
-- Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com "Dee" wrote in message ... On Tue, 16 Sep 2003, Priscilla Ballou wrote: Wiccans are clearly Pagan, and Satanists are also, I believe. LOL ...you believe huh?
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