Which food for a fat cat?

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I got the info from Purina, so let me suggest an addition unless there
is something wrong. You mentioned an occasional .21% AF, so I found
another one:

Sliced Chicken Hearts & Liver Feast in Gravy:
0.21% (AF) - 0.95% (DMB) 79 kcals


I think I added that to the list later. I think its a good diet for
stimulating an anorexic cat's appetite.




This is .95% DMB, but not too bad? Same specs as "Grilled Turkey or
Beef in Gravy" which both which salso have 75 kcals.

I'm reluctant to feed beef. Am I being silly or paranoid? Cows are so
big and so sad ot kill them and my cat probably won't live long enough
to get MAD CAT DISEASE


Most of the cats that I offered the beef to didn't like it. The Minced Beef
numbers weren't too bad- but many cats don't seem to that diet either.



MARINATED Tuna Feast OR Turkey Feast in Savory Juices, 0.22% Phosphorus
- 1.00% (DMB), 84 kcals. Too high in phosphorus and kcals, tad too high
even for occasional use?

Most of the Marinated line is pretty good. The Flaked and Filet & Pate
lines are atrocious.



Seafood Filets Ocean Whitefish & Tuna Feast in Aspic, 0.22% Phosphorus
- 1.00% (DMB) 55 kcals almost same words as the one above, be
careful!

So although it way over .80% at 1% Phosphorus, the kcals are pretty low
55 kcals. Too high phosphorus?

This one is a doozy. Just a reverse of words of the one you really like
for overweight diabetic cats:


Its a great diet for all diabetic cats- not just overweight cats. Gotta be
very careful with the insulin doses- After eating the Seafood Filets most
cats don't need any insulin anymore and the ones that do usually need a much
lower dose- often less than half.



Seafood Filets Tuna & Oceanfish in Aspic: 0.16% (AF) - 0.72% (DMB)
59 kcals LOW KCALS!

How do you like that, almost identical words for the label except the
order is reversed.


The first time I saw the two I had to do a double take, too.




Oh, and I got my genuine Purina Fancy Feast little can covers!


Marinated Chicken Feast in Savory Juices: 0.09% (AF) - 0.40% (DMB) 78
kcals protein is 11% as with the other

Is this really a mistake? So low, .40% DMB, hard to believe but it's
still 11% protein as its buddies. Do you think they made a mistake?
It's way out of line except for the also Marinated Salmon Feast in
Savory Juices at .59% phosphorus.

Thanks, Phil P. for all the info.


What's the "Revised" date in the lower left hand corner of the analyses?
Mine is 3/08/05.

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On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 10:47:31 GMT, John Doe jdoe usenet.love.invalid
wrote:

"Phil P." phil maxshouse.com wrote:

snipped the inconsequential troll judgments

Its not every day that I come across sanctimonious morons like
you...LOL!

Out of 4790 posts under your current ID:

126 LOL! (laughing at your own remarks)
75 stupid
75 idiot
72 ignorant
60 fool
59 paranoid (that's interesting IMO)
55 moron
48 ROTFLMAO! (laughing at your own remarks)
47 troll
45 neurotic
42 ROTFL! (laughing at your own remarks)
31 delusional
30 psychotic
20 psychopath

Count them again for me Johnny boy, your numbers are wrong but I'm not
going to tell you which. Just keep counting, I'll let you know when
you get it right.

Next, I want a breakdown of each word into odd and even days. Next,
break them down into AM and PM. I'll give you another assignment when
you finish those.

Hey Johnny boy, did you notice that all those words apply to you,
perfectly, or are you normally not that observant?

Phil P. wrote:

I think I added that to the list later. I think its a good diet for
stimulating an anorexic cat's appetite.

Hmm, anorexia is not our problem here. She has a flap which I think
might be ventral. can't tell if it's the side defense flaps. When do
they get the defense flaps, at 2 or 3 years of age? I think she just
got a belly after someone free fed her dry and wet food and no
exercise.

Most of the cats that I offered the beef to didn't like it. The Minced Beef
numbers weren't too bad- but many cats don't seem to that diet either.

Good, I don't like the idea of big cows shop chopped.
even for occasional use?


Most of the Marinated line is pretty good. The Flaked and Filet & Pate
lines are atrocious.

Of course that's what I see the most. I am slowly making a list of who
carries what locally.


Seafood Filets Tuna & Oceanfish in Aspic: 0.16% (AF) - 0.72% (DMB)
59 kcals LOW KCALS!
How do you like that, almost identical words for the label except the
order is reversed.

The first time I saw the two I had to do a double take, too.


What's the "Revised" date in the lower left hand corner of the analyses?
Mine is 3/08/05.

Same, 3/08/05, except for 2 entries for Gourmet Gold, 3/10/05, which is
sky-high for phosphorus so irrelevant.

I also got 2 coupons. One for dry food, hmmm, which one to get that
would be like Science Diet r/d, alhtough I think you prefer m/d? I am
using Light. Things will be easier when I get a good and accurate
scale.

" lorijp@ wrote:

On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 10:47:31 GMT, John Doe

wrote:

"Phil P." phil maxshouse.com wrote:

snipped the inconsequential troll judgments

Its not every day that I come across sanctimonious morons like
you...LOL!

Out of 4790 posts under your current ID:

126 LOL! (laughing at your own remarks)
75 stupid
75 idiot
72 ignorant
60 fool
59 paranoid (that's interesting IMO)
55 moron
48 ROTFLMAO! (laughing at your own remarks)
47 troll
45 neurotic
42 ROTFL! (laughing at your own remarks)
31 delusional
30 psychotic
20 psychopath

Count them again for me Johnny boy, your numbers are wrong

Bull**** liar just like your mother Philly.

Steve Crane wrote:
Phil P. wrote:

Of course- they don't know any better and the pet food companies like to
keep it that way. Why doesn't Hill's state the caloric content on the bags-
or cans, for that matter?

To what possible end???? Consumers don't even read the feeding guides,
let alone take the time to do the math. Any consumer who is that
interested merely has to look on the web - where we provide more data
than any other company in the business.

I see you're still treating your customer base like they're not very
smart...

PawsForThought wrote:
Steve Crane wrote:
Phil P. wrote:

Of course- they don't know any better and the pet food companies like to
keep it that way. Why doesn't Hill's state the caloric content on the bags-
or cans, for that matter?

To what possible end???? Consumers don't even read the feeding guides,
let alone take the time to do the math. Any consumer who is that
interested merely has to look on the web - where we provide more data
than any other company in the business.

I see you're still treating your customer base like they're not very
smart...

Yes, no and maybe and I'm no diplomat. Science Diet does publish the
info on the website which is outstanding. The other websites are not
even close except for perhaps one, or two, maybe three. For example,
Science Diet published the pH of their foods. I am not sure the other
manufacturers, except for some items from Purina, even monitor pH
levels. I would reckon that because of the slightly acidic quality of
their foods, this is one major reason that Science Diet might have less
urinary problems with their foods, keeping the urine slightly acidic.

But is this so or another hidden problem like fiber? I am going by one
vet who told me he does not see urinary problems with cats fed Science
Diet or Iams.

Now take kilocalories. Try to find that on many web sites. Even a solid
manufacturer like Purina does not put that out. Purina is confusing to
me because of the huge variety of quality and products. You really need
to know your math and ingredients to figure out what's very good and
what's very not so good with them. A few products are outstanding and
few should have warning on them, like sky-high phosphorus for some
canned products.

I can't even get the information easily from the other sites. I did get
a lot of info over the telephone from Royal Canin. And Purina said they
would take into account my suggestion for more info and to check the
info they are giving out over the telephone which had some errors in
it. Of course, if no one asks for this info, then no problem! It was a
simple problem but the sort of thing that happens when As Fed is not
translated into Dry Matter Basis. It's trivial, just divide the As Fed
number by 0.22, for all their canned products like Fancy Feast. I
suspect someone put in the wrong constant in the spread sheet.

But basics like target weight versus maintenance weight versus energy
requirements would be extremely helpful. If I bug Science Diet, they
will fax me this info, but it's not on their web site. Maybe on the vet
side of their web site. But vets are busy and we need to help them out
and they probably get bored saying over and over and over whatever they
say over and over. Yes?

Now to get a good scale. And to find a good vet locally. It's rough.
One is good for emergencies but not the mundane like food. And another
is better for thinking things through. I hate depending on myself but
who else cares as much for my little beastie, who cannot fit into her
bikini.

Lauren, it was so nice w/o you spewing your venom here....I guess
you're back, though. Where you been lately? Worshipping at the altar
of the Hill's Haters? If you don't have anything of substance to
contribute, then just leave well enough alone, please.


PawsForThought wrote:
Steve Crane wrote:
Phil P. wrote:

Of course- they don't know any better and the pet food companies like to
keep it that way. Why doesn't Hill's state the caloric content on the bags-
or cans, for that matter?

To what possible end???? Consumers don't even read the feeding guides,
let alone take the time to do the math. Any consumer who is that
interested merely has to look on the web - where we provide more data
than any other company in the business.

I see you're still treating your customer base like they're not very
smart...

PawsForThought wrote:
I have come across people whose cat would have a constipation problem.
When I asked them what was being fed, 9 out 10 of those people were
feeding a dry food diet. Not sure if any of them were feeding your
r/d, but I would imagine the same principle would apply. A dry food
diet for an obligate carnivore seems to go against what an obligate
carnivore means, yes? Also, in my experience with cats who are
overweight, again, a dry food diet is what is predominantly being fed.

Is it the dry food as much as the free feeding so the feeder has less
work to do? I suspect it's just too easy to give out too much dry food
too often. Now the wet food is measured because it's often in much
smaller quantities and even if in 14 ounce cans, you have to measure it
out with spoons or spoon it out. And you just can't let it out too long
as you can with dry food.

Portions get out of control with dry food which just accumlates days on
end without spoiling, like a lot of snack or junk food.

Having said all that, my cat is an obligate carnivore who used to live
off the street eating sparrows and mice and she always loved Science
Diet dry food even while a stray. Go figure.

wrote:



Is it the dry food as much as the free feeding so the feeder has less
work to do? I suspect it's just too easy to give out too much dry food
too often. Now the wet food is measured because it's often in much
smaller quantities and even if in 14 ounce cans, you have to measure it
out with spoons or spoon it out. And you just can't let it out too long
as you can with dry food.

Portions get out of control with dry food which just accumlates days on
end without spoiling, like a lot of snack or junk food.

Having said all that, my cat is an obligate carnivore who used to live
off the street eating sparrows and mice and she always loved Science
Diet dry food even while a stray. Go figure.


The cats seem to have different eating habits with dry instead of wet.
With wet, they are willing to eat all/most of what's put out in a
relatively short period of time. With dry they only want to nibble all
day long. Is it because canned food smells stronger and increases
appetite?

5cats wrote:
wrote:
Is it the dry food as much as the free feeding so the feeder has less
work to do? I suspect it's just too easy to give out too much dry food
too often. Now the wet food is measured because it's often in much
smaller quantities and even if in 14 ounce cans, you have to measure it
out with spoons or spoon it out. And you just can't let it out too long
as you can with dry food.

Portions get out of control with dry food which just accumlates days on
end without spoiling, like a lot of snack or junk food.

Having said all that, my cat is an obligate carnivore who used to live
off the street eating sparrows and mice and she always loved Science
Diet dry food even while a stray. Go figure.


The cats seem to have different eating habits with dry instead of wet.
With wet, they are willing to eat all/most of what's put out in a
relatively short period of time. With dry they only want to nibble all
day long. Is it because canned food smells stronger and increases
appetite?

I've noticed my cat acts more suspicious and careful with wet food,
looking over her shoulder. She treats it almost as prey, in a way.
That's if she really likes the wet food. At least with Fancy Feast'a
Marinated Chicken Feast in Savory Juices: 0.09% (AF) - 0.40% (DMB) 78
kcals to which I add even more water. Really low phosphorus. Now we'll
see with Seafood Filets Tuna & Oceanfish in Aspic: 0.16% (AF) - 0.72%
(DMB) 59 kcals, really low kilocalories so good for diet. I know she
hated aspic a few years ago. Will be interesting. If she likes this,
it's low, even super low in kilocalories. Girl has to watch her figure,
you know.

Now with dry food, she figures who else is going to fight for Science
Diet Light