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Magic the beautiful guy
tivoglio wrote:
One concern with me is whether or not Magic will eat the z/d. He appears to like the i/d, at least the dry stuff, but when I try to feed him a little canned i/d, he just licks the moisture out of it and leaves it. Does Will eat both canned and dry, or just one? Will gets dry only. If I worked at it for a while, I might be able to get him to eat some gooshy food, but Heidi absolutely wouldn't do it, so I stick with dry for both of them. Neither of them is wild about the z/d, but they both eat it fairly well. I've actually heard of triaditis. I downloaded an article about it, but when I got to the prognosis part, I felt a little ill myself. It said that over half the cats who have it survive less than a year - but maybe that's only if they don't receive treatment. I think that triaditis is often a speculative diagnosis because the only way to rule in the IBD part with any certainty is with exploratory surgery and biopsy. Usually that's not done until the problem has proved quite severe or intractable and the vet is wondering whether there is any lymphoma involved. So maybe the short survival time is measured from that point of definitive diagnosis. I know a lot of cats can have some of the symptoms for years before the condition is diagnosed. Will has had recurring bouts of pancreatitis for about four years, and his IBD is still merely presumed. He's 17 years old and we won't be doing any exploratory surgery. The only time Magic had jaundice was early on, when the attacks continued for two days and he wouldn't eat and became dehydrated. I never let that happen again, but when he has a bout, his liver values really spike. Will's AST and ALT go into the stratosphere and remain high sometimes even once he seems to be feeling pretty good again. I've got him on Denamarin, which is a liver support supplement, but I've been thinking that he perhaps should be on Ursodiol, which from my reading seems a better choice for cholangitis. Those are some things to talk over with your vet. Does Will take anything like prednisolone? The vet told me that it staves off inflammation and, unlike humans, cats can tolerate steroids indefinitely. We haven't yet put him on the pred, but it's been discussed as the next option. It's true that cats tolerate systemic corticosteroids better than humans or dogs do, though certainly not true that they can take them indefinitely without risk. It's just that the risk from the pred is smaller than the risk from continued inflammation of the bowel or liver. Also, does Will have a maniacal cravnng for grass? When he gets a chance at an outdoor jaunt, he heads for the grass first thing. But he's pretty toothless, so I don't have to worry about his ingesting very much. And I'm not too concerned about possible parasites. -- Wayne M. |
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Magic the beautiful guy
Ha,
If he's still able to catch a mouse he must still have a lot of life in him! Barb |
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Magic the beautiful guy
Hello,
While I am not a vet, I have learned a lot about cats and cat nutrition. Have you considered that he might have a food allergy? Things like corn are common allergens in cats. IMO I would try feeding him a high-quality wet diet, one with NO grains, for 6-8 weeks, and see how he does. IMO I would not feed him any Hills/prescription food. If you look at the ingredient list, it is scary. There are much better diets out there, like Nature's Variety (canned or raw), Innova Evo (canned), Wellness (canned), among others. Good nutrition will help him in many ways. Any dry food doesn't have enough moisture in it, and too many carbohydrates. Here is a great nutrition web site with lots of information: http://www.catinfo.org Rene |
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Magic the beautiful guy
"tivoglio" wrote
"cshenk" wrote: Have her tested for heartworms. Yes, though rare they do infest cats. The cyclic nature makes me think of this. Hi. I guess the vet was on the same wavelength as you, and he tested Magic for heartworm early on. Thankfully, he tested negative. Thats good! |
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Magic the beautiful guy
On Aug 26, 3:14*pm, Rene wrote:
Hello, While I am not a vet, I have learned a lot about cats and cat nutrition. Have you considered that he might have a food allergy? Things like corn are common allergens in cats. IMO I would try feeding him a high-quality wet diet, one with NO grains, for 6-8 weeks, and see how he does. IMO I would not feed him any Hills/prescription food. If you look at the ingredient list, it is scary. There are much better diets out there, like Nature's Variety (canned or raw), Innova Evo (canned), Wellness (canned), among others. Good nutrition will help him in many ways. Any dry food doesn't have enough moisture in it, and too many carbohydrates. Here is a great nutrition web site with lots of information:http://www.catinfo.org Rene Rene, thanks for thinking about us. I have indeed visited the catinfo web site, and I'm convinced that his diet must be changed to something grain-free, especially corn. I've ordered a case of Innova Evo Venison 95%, and it should be here by the end of the week. Then, I will take Magic off the Hill's (yes, it does have a rather disturbing ingredient list), and I will feed him the Evo twice a day.I will stop his prednisolone, add a few supplements like a probiotic, hold my breath, and forge ahead. I'll post again after this diet has been in effect for a few weeks, and hopefully I'll spread nothing but good cheer. Thanks again, Tom |
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Magic the beautiful guy
On Aug 25, 9:09*pm, Wayne Mitchell wrote:
*tivoglio wrote: One concern with me is whether or not Magic will eat the z/d. He appears to like the i/d, at least the dry stuff, but when I try to feed him a little canned i/d, he just licks the moisture out of it and leaves it. Does Will eat both canned and dry, or just one? Will gets dry only. *If I worked at it for a while, I might be able to get him to eat some gooshy food, but Heidi absolutely wouldn't do it, so I stick with dry for both of them. *Neither of them is wild about the z/d, but they both eat it fairly well. I've actually heard of triaditis. I downloaded an article about it, but when I got to the prognosis part, I felt a little ill myself. It said that over half the cats who have it survive less than a year - but maybe that's only if they don't receive treatment. I think that triaditis is often a speculative diagnosis because the only way to rule in the IBD part with any certainty is with exploratory surgery and biopsy. *Usually that's not done until the problem has proved quite severe or intractable and the vet is wondering whether there is any lymphoma involved. *So maybe the short survival time is measured from that point of definitive diagnosis. *I know a lot of cats can have some of the symptoms for years before the condition is diagnosed. *Will has had recurring bouts of pancreatitis for about four years, and his IBD is still merely presumed. *He's 17 years old and we won't be doing any exploratory surgery. The only time Magic had jaundice was early on, when the attacks continued for two days and he wouldn't eat and became dehydrated. I never let that happen again, but when he has a bout, his liver values really spike. Will's AST and ALT go into the stratosphere and remain high sometimes even once he seems to be feeling pretty good again. *I've got him on Denamarin, which is a liver support supplement, but I've been thinking that he perhaps should be on Ursodiol, which from my reading seems a better choice for cholangitis. *Those are some things to talk over with your vet. Does Will take anything like prednisolone? The vet told me that it staves off inflammation and, unlike humans, cats can tolerate steroids indefinitely. We haven't yet put him on the pred, but it's been discussed as the next option. *It's true that cats tolerate systemic corticosteroids better than humans or dogs do, though certainly not true that they can take them indefinitely without risk. *It's just that the risk from the pred is smaller than the risk from continued inflammation of the bowel or liver. Also, does Will have a maniacal cravnng for grass? When he gets a chance at an outdoor jaunt, he heads for the grass first thing. *But he's pretty toothless, so I don't have to worry about his ingesting very much. *And I'm not too concerned about possible parasites. -- Wayne M. Wayne, in a perfect world I would let Magic frolic outdoors, catching and eating whatever rodents and fowl he could. He's quite a hunter. I'm sure his dietary problems would lessen and even disappear. But the world is what it is and I'm going to try the next best thing - a natural diet with no corn or chemicals. It's worth a shot. Hey, it's worth many shots. Also the pred and other meds need to be phased out. This weekend, I'll load the Hoover Steemer with some vinegar and clean this whole house. I'm exhausted just thinking about all this, bit it's worth the effort. Tom |
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On Aug 30, 10:12*am, tivoglio wrote:
On Aug 26, 3:14*pm, Rene wrote: Hello, While I am not a vet, I have learned a lot about cats and cat nutrition. Have you considered that he might have a food allergy? Things like corn are common allergens in cats. IMO I would try feeding him a high-quality wet diet, one with NO grains, for 6-8 weeks, and see how he does. IMO I would not feed him any Hills/prescription food. If you look at the ingredient list, it is scary. There are much better diets out there, like Nature's Variety (canned or raw), Innova Evo (canned), Wellness (canned), among others. Good nutrition will help him in many ways. Any dry food doesn't have enough moisture in it, and too many carbohydrates. Here is a great nutrition web site with lots of information:http://www.catinfo.org Rene Rene, thanks for thinking about us. I have indeed visited the catinfo web site, and I'm convinced that his diet must be changed to something grain-free, especially corn. I've ordered a case of Innova Evo Venison 95%, and it should be here by the end of the week. Then, I will take Magic off the Hill's (yes, it does have a rather disturbing ingredient list), and I will feed him the Evo twice a day.I will stop his prednisolone, add a few supplements like a probiotic, hold my breath, and forge ahead. I'll post again after this diet has been in effect for a few weeks, and hopefully I'll spread nothing but good cheer. Thanks again, Tom I'm so pleased to read this, Tom! Make sure to transition to the Evo slowly over the course of several days by mixing the old food with the new, so to not upset his system. Our gang loves the venison, and I'm sure Magic will too. Giving a probiotic is a good idea too, but it doesn't have to be fortiflora (I know it's pricey). Health food stores carry good brands of probiotics. Just make sure whatever brand you buy doesn't have any dairy in it. Please keep us posted! Rene |
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