Allergies, Linear Granuloma, and Diet

"PawsForThought" wrote in message
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From: (Steve Crane)


"Karen M." wrote in message
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Phil, get off her freaking back. She offered some advice. Mary's a big
girl. She doesn't have to take it if she doesn't want to. Why are you
jumping around threads *just* to rip on her? Don't you have anything
better to do? Give your advice and lay off, the bickering is getting
ridiculous!

Karen,
I won't speak for Phil, but continuous attempts to cure every ill
known to man by suggesting a raw diet is really really dangerous.
Seriously it is extremely dangerous to offer some of the advice I have
seen on this and other NG's by the raw crowd. I've seen advice for
renal failure cats and dogs that would have killed them in very short
order. I think there is an obligation to temper the wild claims and
testimonial evidence with some facts once in awhile. Some pet's will
inevitably suffer if it isn't done.

Oh please, give me a freakin' break already, Steve! It's so obvious that
you
have a problem with anyone who doesn't feed a commercial diet and
especially
Hill's, the company YOU work for.

*You* give us a freakin break already! You have a "me too" story about your
cats for almost every illness that has been mentioned on this newsgroup for
the last year or so that you claim "disappeared" after you switched to
feeding raw! You're just not smart enough to remember your stories...


I've never claimed a raw diet will "cure
every ill known to man"

.....just nearly all the diseases mentioned on this newsgroup in the past
year or so....

and I've never seen anyone else in this newsgroup make
that claim either. That is a bald face lie and you know it!

And who would know more about bald face lies than you! They're your
specialty....


You just can't stand it that I tell people my experiences with Hill's
products.

ROTFL! We've fed Hill's foods to literally *thousands* of animals over
that past few years, and our 4 vets' clients feed Hill's to well over
another thousand animals too. No *hundred* cats *combined* experienced half
of the adverse effects that you claim your cats experienced from Hill's
foods! If even half of your conjured up bullsh!t stories were true your
cats would have been dead years ago.

All the clerks *combined* in all three large pet stores where we have
adoption centers don't get anywhere near the number of complaints about
adverse effects from Hill's that you conjure up. The stores donate returned
foods so I *know* which foods are returned.... and Hill's is rarely, rarely
returned.

You must be a complete idiot or more likely, a psycho if you actually think
people believe your stories. Even a moron would have switched foods after
the first, or at the most, second adverse effect... instead of switching
foods after at least a dozen or so adverse effects like you claim your cats
experienced.

You have a "me too" story for almost every adverse effect that has been
mentioned about Hill's on this newsgroup for the last year or so! You're
just not intelligent enough to remember all your conjured up bullsh!t
stories. How about your last beaut of story a couple of weeks ago? Anal sac
disease from eating Hill's! ROTFL! Gee, you never mentioned that one
before... and dozens of people posted about anal sac disease in the past few
years... What happened, you suddenly remembered you cats got that too...
and got it from eating Hill's? ROTFL!

You forget I remember when you began posting here. Following your conjured
up stories, your cats experienced more adverse effects from Hill's *after*
you *stopped* feeding Hill's than they did when they were *actually* eating
Hill's! LOL!

I've never seen anyone in my life with such an obsessive, malicious, and
actual pathological hatred for any pet food as you have for Hill's. There's
something seriously wrong with you.

"Mary" wrote in message
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Karen is right, Phil, at least according to my vet, whom I trust and
who has had his practice for over 30 years. He said that "some cats
just get it."

Mary, that's what I meant by "genetically susceptible".

"Mary" wrote in message
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Karen is right, Phil, at least according to my vet, whom I trust and
who has had his practice for over 30 years. He said that "some cats
just get it."

Mary, that's what I meant by "genetically susceptible".

"Mary" wrote in message
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"Phil P." wrote in message
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http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/health/asthma.html



Phil, what a GREAT site, I read the entire thing. I want to get the
Aerokat inhaler, at $55 it is worth it for the peace of mind. If my
understanding of what I read is correct, I can give her a
bronchodilator in an emergency that could save her life, whether or
not I choose to administer her steroids that way.

Absolutely! You can also use combination canisters that contain both a
bronchodilator (Albuterol) and a steroid (Flovent). One is called Advair.
I'd rather use seperate canisters or a "rescue" bronchodilator in addition
to Advair in case additional bronchodilation is needed.

Thanks so much. I
plan to see my vet soon about this.

Here's another article about it: with better pictures


http://gallery.fritzthebrave.com/ind...sing%20AeroKat



You might also want to ask him about using a nebulizer - might be the
easiest method. I have a nebulizer hooked up to an Isolette - its an infant
incubator we use for kittens which doubles as an nebulizing chamber. But
you can construct an excellent nebulizing chamber using a 10 gallon (or
whatever size is comfortable for your cat) aquarium for 1/100 the cost. A
good nebulizer costs about $100 and the reusable nebulizer kits about $5.
You can also use a nebulizer with a mask instead of a tank. The nebulizer
solutions (bronchodilator) come in plastic vials and cost about $25 for a
month's supply for a cat.

This is what a nebulizer looks like:

http://www.drgreene.com/21_1375.html

All you need to do is connect the mouthpiece to the aquarium with a short
piece of tubing and run it through the aquarium cover. The whole project
should take no more than 15 minutes.

HTH,

Phil

"Mary" wrote in message
. com...

"Phil P." wrote in message
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http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/health/asthma.html



Phil, what a GREAT site, I read the entire thing. I want to get the
Aerokat inhaler, at $55 it is worth it for the peace of mind. If my
understanding of what I read is correct, I can give her a
bronchodilator in an emergency that could save her life, whether or
not I choose to administer her steroids that way.

Absolutely! You can also use combination canisters that contain both a
bronchodilator (Albuterol) and a steroid (Flovent). One is called Advair.
I'd rather use seperate canisters or a "rescue" bronchodilator in addition
to Advair in case additional bronchodilation is needed.

Thanks so much. I
plan to see my vet soon about this.

Here's another article about it: with better pictures


http://gallery.fritzthebrave.com/ind...sing%20AeroKat



You might also want to ask him about using a nebulizer - might be the
easiest method. I have a nebulizer hooked up to an Isolette - its an infant
incubator we use for kittens which doubles as an nebulizing chamber. But
you can construct an excellent nebulizing chamber using a 10 gallon (or
whatever size is comfortable for your cat) aquarium for 1/100 the cost. A
good nebulizer costs about $100 and the reusable nebulizer kits about $5.
You can also use a nebulizer with a mask instead of a tank. The nebulizer
solutions (bronchodilator) come in plastic vials and cost about $25 for a
month's supply for a cat.

This is what a nebulizer looks like:

http://www.drgreene.com/21_1375.html

All you need to do is connect the mouthpiece to the aquarium with a short
piece of tubing and run it through the aquarium cover. The whole project
should take no more than 15 minutes.

HTH,

Phil

From: "Phil P."

You keep forgetting I remember when you began posting.... You sure
accumulated a lot of "experiences" before you began posting *after* you
began posting.... LOL!

You keep forgetting that I remember you too, especially when it was revealed
about your plagerizing on your website, and your little sock puppets, let's see
was it Phoenix Rising? LOL If anyone is a liar here, it's clearly you.
________
See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe
Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm

From: "Phil P."

You keep forgetting I remember when you began posting.... You sure
accumulated a lot of "experiences" before you began posting *after* you
began posting.... LOL!

You keep forgetting that I remember you too, especially when it was revealed
about your plagerizing on your website, and your little sock puppets, let's see
was it Phoenix Rising? LOL If anyone is a liar here, it's clearly you.
________
See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe
Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm

From: "Phil P."


Thanks, Karen. Dr. Hamilton is a highly respected veterinarian,

Homeopaths are *not* "highly respected veterinarians" by the mainstream
veterinary community... In fact, many if not most mainstream vets think
homeos are quacks. More importantly, many mainstream vets feel homeos are
*dangerous* because they deny or delay *real* veterinary care in the early
stages of disease when *real* veterinary care has the greatest chance of
effecting a cure.

One of our vets was an emergency and critical care specialist for 14 years.
Many homeo-treated animals ended up in his hospital, most died, because
their owners relied on homeos' "naturel remedies" and their other voodoo and
magical concoctions and magic wand waving when simple and timely *real*
veterinary care would have saved the animals' lives. They rushed their
animals to the emergency clinic when they finally realized the homeo was
quack and their animal was dying... Unfortunately, it was usually too late.

And on the other hand, there are many alternative veterinarians who have saved
the lives of many pets who couldn't be saved with allopathic medicine.
Homeopathic medicine has helped many of them. I have never ever heard of any
animals dying from being treated homeopathically. I personally know of pets
who were helped immensely with homeopathic medicine. There are always 2 sides
to every story or experience. I believe that BOTH allopathic and alternative
medicine have their places, and often a combination of the two can be very
helpful. I have opened up my mind to not just treating animals' symptoms with
antibiotics and steroids, but rather to have the whole animal treated and to
prevent disease in a holistic way. I have found in my case, this has been
extremely beneficial. Many many many people I've come across highly respect
Dr. Hamilton, a veterinarian, something YOU are not. So unless you have
something to add other than to slam me because I don't follow your line of
thinking, then go away. All you do is attack when you don't agree with someone
and call them names. You just can't believe that my animals did poorly on your
beloved Science Diet. But in fact and in truth, they did do poorly. Now I
would be a liar if I said they did great on Science Diet. But they did poorly
on Science Diet. You just can't stand that my cats are healthier on their
homemade raw diet than they were on commercial pet food. I don't know why a
person would have a problem with that or why you even care what I feed my cats.
Frankly, you can believe what you want. All you do is call me a liar or
names, but yet you can't prove that I've ever lied about anything. What does
that indicate about YOUR character?

As to you being in my killfile, I just upgraded to XP and that's why you're not
killfiled, but believe you will be again

Lauren
________
See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe
Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm

From: "Phil P."


Thanks, Karen. Dr. Hamilton is a highly respected veterinarian,

Homeopaths are *not* "highly respected veterinarians" by the mainstream
veterinary community... In fact, many if not most mainstream vets think
homeos are quacks. More importantly, many mainstream vets feel homeos are
*dangerous* because they deny or delay *real* veterinary care in the early
stages of disease when *real* veterinary care has the greatest chance of
effecting a cure.

One of our vets was an emergency and critical care specialist for 14 years.
Many homeo-treated animals ended up in his hospital, most died, because
their owners relied on homeos' "naturel remedies" and their other voodoo and
magical concoctions and magic wand waving when simple and timely *real*
veterinary care would have saved the animals' lives. They rushed their
animals to the emergency clinic when they finally realized the homeo was
quack and their animal was dying... Unfortunately, it was usually too late.

And on the other hand, there are many alternative veterinarians who have saved
the lives of many pets who couldn't be saved with allopathic medicine.
Homeopathic medicine has helped many of them. I have never ever heard of any
animals dying from being treated homeopathically. I personally know of pets
who were helped immensely with homeopathic medicine. There are always 2 sides
to every story or experience. I believe that BOTH allopathic and alternative
medicine have their places, and often a combination of the two can be very
helpful. I have opened up my mind to not just treating animals' symptoms with
antibiotics and steroids, but rather to have the whole animal treated and to
prevent disease in a holistic way. I have found in my case, this has been
extremely beneficial. Many many many people I've come across highly respect
Dr. Hamilton, a veterinarian, something YOU are not. So unless you have
something to add other than to slam me because I don't follow your line of
thinking, then go away. All you do is attack when you don't agree with someone
and call them names. You just can't believe that my animals did poorly on your
beloved Science Diet. But in fact and in truth, they did do poorly. Now I
would be a liar if I said they did great on Science Diet. But they did poorly
on Science Diet. You just can't stand that my cats are healthier on their
homemade raw diet than they were on commercial pet food. I don't know why a
person would have a problem with that or why you even care what I feed my cats.
Frankly, you can believe what you want. All you do is call me a liar or
names, but yet you can't prove that I've ever lied about anything. What does
that indicate about YOUR character?

As to you being in my killfile, I just upgraded to XP and that's why you're not
killfiled, but believe you will be again

Lauren
________
See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe
Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm

"Phil P." wrote in message
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"Mary" wrote in message
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Karen is right, Phil, at least according to my vet, whom I trust
and
who has had his practice for over 30 years. He said that "some
cats
just get it."

Mary, that's what I meant by "genetically susceptible".



I've been looking at little Cheeks and I don't know how I missed that
she had definite Siamese or one of those wedge-headed "oriental"
breeds in her, though she is a tabby in markings. (I read that
although 1% of cats have asthma Siamese and other "oriental" breeds
are over represented, and that LG correlates with other allergies.)
She has huge eyes and a very tapered face, small muzzle. When she
wakes me up in the morning by climbing up on me and peering into my
face I am sometimes tempted to say "ET phone home!"