Name that bobcat: Sanctuary seeks name for blind bobcat

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http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news...hat_bobcat_san



Matthew, is this the full link? It ends with "san." I am asking
because I
have not been able to get it to open.

Thanks,
MaryL



I did a search and was able to read the article at this location:
http://www.baynews9.com/content/news...at_bobcat_san/

The link looks identical to the one Matthew posted except that it also
has a forward-slash at the end of the link. The article has an
additional link for entering names (and for donations).


I wasn't able to open Matt's link either but saw yours.
We don't have bobcats here, of course, but they are wild animals, aren't
they? and I am not sure about keeping a blind wild animal in captivity
just
because we *can*.
I'm not sure about the quality of life it could have and saving a wild
animal is about that. Your views may differ.
Tweed



Yes, bobcats are wild cats. I saw one once when we were driving through
the Blue Ridge Parkway, and it trotted (safely) across the road in front
of us. I don't like seeing wild animals caged in small enclosures.
However, some sanctuaries have very large spaces available--sometimes
several acres. I did not read closely enough to see if that is the type
of sanctuary involved in this case. Certainly, the cat would not have
any chance of survival in the wild since it is blind. I do understand
what you are saying about quality of life.



I would almost never say RB but its a wild animal that is blind and it's
future is what?
Yes we can save it. But.


absolutely it is called compassion

No, it is not, Matthew
It's called putting a wild animal, who is afraid of people, through torture
for the rest of its life.
I am in favour of saving wild animals who have medical problems, *if* there
is a realistic possibility of getting them back into the wild. If not,
IMO, they should be sent to RB.

Wildlife rehab people here also go along with this. If you cannot get wild
animals back into the wild, ever, you should not try to save them. I agree
with this.
What would a blind bobcat do? in its cage-for-life?
Think about it Matt.

Tweed

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Christina Websell wrote:

I wasn't able to open Matt's link either but saw yours.
We don't have bobcats here, of course, but they are wild animals, aren't
they? and I am not sure about keeping a blind wild animal in captivity
just because we *can*.
I'm not sure about the quality of life it could have and saving a wild
animal is about that. Your views may differ.
Tweed

I suspect you don't have so many wild predators in the UK - here there
are quite a few sanctuaries for them. A sanctuary is not exactly
"captivity", and blind, deaf, and handicapped animals often do quite
well in them, where they are protected but allowed to roam free over a
fairly large area. (Of course, some end up there because people WILL
"adopt" them in states where it is not yet illegal, then discover that
cute, cuddly little critter grows into a not so cuddly and possibly
dangerous adult, but others have no place to go when human civilization
invades and destroys their habitat.) At the rate we're going, someday
the only place we may ever encounter them may be in the various wild
animal "parks".


Here's an example: We have a wild life sanctuary a few miles from my
home. The sanctuary has approximately 600 acres, and all animals are free
to roam within that area. In this case, they are all hooved animals--no
predators because predators like big cats cannot safely be left with the
types of animals in this sanctuary. In addition to the "expected" rescue
animals from the U.S., it is home to large numbers of endangered animals
from around the world. I have been to some big cat sanctuaries. For
obvious reasons, many species are separated (unlike my first example), but
they still have large amounts of space in which to roam.

Oh, just stop it everyone. This big cat was wild and is now blind, it will
not roam in any space because it cannot see it, let it go to RB, FGS.
Tell me (apart from never wanting to send a cat to RB) why it's a good idea
to name it, and keep it alive.
I can see no reason at all.

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http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news...hat_bobcat_san



Matthew, is this the full link? It ends with "san." I am asking
because I
have not been able to get it to open.

Thanks,
MaryL



I did a search and was able to read the article at this location:
http://www.baynews9.com/content/news...at_bobcat_san/

The link looks identical to the one Matthew posted except that it also
has a forward-slash at the end of the link. The article has an
additional link for entering names (and for donations).


I wasn't able to open Matt's link either but saw yours.
We don't have bobcats here, of course, but they are wild animals, aren't
they? and I am not sure about keeping a blind wild animal in captivity
just
because we *can*.
I'm not sure about the quality of life it could have and saving a wild
animal is about that. Your views may differ.
Tweed



Yes, bobcats are wild cats. I saw one once when we were driving through
the Blue Ridge Parkway, and it trotted (safely) across the road in front
of us. I don't like seeing wild animals caged in small enclosures.
However, some sanctuaries have very large spaces available--sometimes
several acres. I did not read closely enough to see if that is the type
of sanctuary involved in this case. Certainly, the cat would not have
any chance of survival in the wild since it is blind. I do understand
what you are saying about quality of life.



I would almost never say RB but its a wild animal that is blind and it's
future is what?
Yes we can save it. But.


absolutely it is called compassion

No, it is not, Matthew
It's called putting a wild animal, who is afraid of people, through torture
for the rest of its life.
I am in favour of saving wild animals who have medical problems, *if* there
is a realistic possibility of getting them back into the wild. If not,
IMO, they should be sent to RB.

Wildlife rehab people here also go along with this. If you cannot get wild
animals back into the wild, ever, you should not try to save them. I agree
with this.
What would a blind bobcat do? in its cage-for-life?
Think about it Matt.

Tweed

Ahhhhhhhhhhhh, but it will NOT be in a "cage" it will be in an outdoor
enclosure, of probably close to an acre in size, with hidey-holes
(shelter and lairs/dens) and climbey-things (perches, trees, and
lookouts), probably some toys to alleviate boredom, with little (or no)
contact with humans. Humans will provide the food & sanitation (gotta
scoop the poop), maintenance on the enclosure itself (to ensure not
only the safety of those that live inside the enclosure, but to keep
neighboring people and wildlife safe as well), and any necessary
veterinary care. Otherwise, it will probably be left to it's own
devices to live protected from other predators, starvation and parasites.


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http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news...hat_bobcat_san



Matthew, is this the full link? It ends with "san." I am asking
because I
have not been able to get it to open.

Thanks,
MaryL



I did a search and was able to read the article at this location:
http://www.baynews9.com/content/news...at_bobcat_san/

The link looks identical to the one Matthew posted except that it also
has a forward-slash at the end of the link. The article has an
additional link for entering names (and for donations).


I wasn't able to open Matt's link either but saw yours.
We don't have bobcats here, of course, but they are wild animals,
aren't
they? and I am not sure about keeping a blind wild animal in captivity
just
because we *can*.
I'm not sure about the quality of life it could have and saving a wild
animal is about that. Your views may differ.
Tweed



Yes, bobcats are wild cats. I saw one once when we were driving
through the Blue Ridge Parkway, and it trotted (safely) across the road
in front of us. I don't like seeing wild animals caged in small
enclosures. However, some sanctuaries have very large spaces
available--sometimes several acres. I did not read closely enough to
see if that is the type of sanctuary involved in this case. Certainly,
the cat would not have any chance of survival in the wild since it is
blind. I do understand what you are saying about quality of life.



I would almost never say RB but its a wild animal that is blind and it's
future is what?
Yes we can save it. But.


absolutely it is called compassion

No, it is not, Matthew
It's called putting a wild animal, who is afraid of people, through
torture for the rest of its life.
I am in favour of saving wild animals who have medical problems, *if*
there is a realistic possibility of getting them back into the wild. If
not, IMO, they should be sent to RB.

Wildlife rehab people here also go along with this. If you cannot get
wild animals back into the wild, ever, you should not try to save them. I
agree with this.
What would a blind bobcat do? in its cage-for-life?
Think about it Matt.

Tweed



FIRST tweed think about this you over the pond folks have no idea about
wild animals there are no big predators over there in there UK. Second
they are not going to be in a cage it is a sanctuary. Have you ever been to
a open air zoo no cages. The big cat rescue has display cages that are so
huge that a family of 5 could live in there with ease. Plus these big cats
love their slaves take a look at their website. Also WHO said the bobcat
was afraid of humans I did not read that anywhere.
Also think about this do you think that a blind cat can't survive with a
human. I think that several members of this group will have something to say

I am sorry you are Totally wrong about wild animals that cant survive in the
wild not being saved. So many rescue people like myself would give you an
earful for saying that. I got to met a wolf that was injured when it ran
across a road and got hit by a truck. It lost it back leg the wolf was the
most playful animal I have ever seen. It stayed at a rescue sanctuary
helping students learn on how to help injured animals.

There is a local big cat rescue where a Florida panther lost all of its
teeth in a car accident as a cub now who is 5 years old. The lady who did
the rescue takes the over sized furball as a teaching subject to local
schools to teach them about nature wild animals. So tweed do I think your
wrong YEP but you got a right to your opinion but I would NEVER put a animal
down just because it is wild

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Christina Websell wrote:

I wasn't able to open Matt's link either but saw yours.
We don't have bobcats here, of course, but they are wild animals, aren't
they? and I am not sure about keeping a blind wild animal in captivity
just because we *can*.
I'm not sure about the quality of life it could have and saving a wild
animal is about that. Your views may differ.
Tweed

I suspect you don't have so many wild predators in the UK - here there
are quite a few sanctuaries for them. A sanctuary is not exactly
"captivity", and blind, deaf, and handicapped animals often do quite
well in them, where they are protected but allowed to roam free over a
fairly large area. (Of course, some end up there because people WILL
"adopt" them in states where it is not yet illegal, then discover that
cute, cuddly little critter grows into a not so cuddly and possibly
dangerous adult, but others have no place to go when human civilization
invades and destroys their habitat.) At the rate we're going, someday
the only place we may ever encounter them may be in the various wild
animal "parks".


Here's an example: We have a wild life sanctuary a few miles from my
home. The sanctuary has approximately 600 acres, and all animals are free
to roam within that area. In this case, they are all hooved animals--no
predators because predators like big cats cannot safely be left with the
types of animals in this sanctuary. In addition to the "expected" rescue
animals from the U.S., it is home to large numbers of endangered animals
from around the world. I have been to some big cat sanctuaries. For
obvious reasons, many species are separated (unlike my first example),
but they still have large amounts of space in which to roam.

Oh, just stop it everyone. This big cat was wild and is now blind, it
will not roam in any space because it cannot see it, let it go to RB, FGS.
Tell me (apart from never wanting to send a cat to RB) why it's a good
idea to name it, and keep it alive.
I can see no reason at all.

Than you should not even comment than at all

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Oh, just stop it everyone. This big cat was wild and is now blind, it will
not roam in any space because it cannot see it, let it go to RB, FGS.
Tell me (apart from never wanting to send a cat to RB) why it's a good idea
to name it, and keep it alive.
I can see no reason at all.


What makes you think that a blind bobcat could not roam in a sanctuary.
Duffy is blind, but he can do almost anything that any sighted cat can do.
He is a little gymnast--he loves to climb, and he rapidly "swirls" up and
down on cat trees and anything "climbable." He somehow does that without
ever breaking anything. Have you ever looked at the pictures I posted of
Duffy sitting out on the very end of branches of the Christmas tree (again,
without breaking anything)? I thought when I first got him that I would
have to be careful not to move anything, but that has not been true at all.
If I move a chair, I will find him sitting on it five minutes later. He can
chase Holly to any location and will sometimes go around one side of a chair
while she goes the other way so he can "head her off." I have had many
visitors who did not even know he is blind until I told them. He is an
*active* and *happy* cat. It's true that a blind cat would have virtually
no chance of survival in the wild (just as Duffy would have no chance if I
just turned him outside), but a well-run sanctuary is an entirely different
matter.

MaryL

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Oh, just stop it everyone. This big cat was wild and is now blind, it
will
not roam in any space because it cannot see it, let it go to RB, FGS.
Tell me (apart from never wanting to send a cat to RB) why it's a good
idea
to name it, and keep it alive.
I can see no reason at all.


What makes you think that a blind bobcat could not roam in a sanctuary.
Duffy is blind, but he can do almost anything that any sighted cat can do.
He is a little gymnast--he loves to climb, and he rapidly "swirls" up and
down on cat trees and anything "climbable." He somehow does that without
ever breaking anything. Have you ever looked at the pictures I posted of
Duffy sitting out on the very end of branches of the Christmas tree
(again, without breaking anything)? I thought when I first got him that I
would have to be careful not to move anything, but that has not been true
at all. If I move a chair, I will find him sitting on it five minutes
later. He can chase Holly to any location and will sometimes go around
one side of a chair while she goes the other way so he can "head her off."
I have had many visitors who did not even know he is blind until I told
them. He is an *active* and *happy* cat. It's true that a blind cat
would have virtually no chance of survival in the wild (just as Duffy
would have no chance if I just turned him outside), but a well-run
sanctuary is an entirely different matter.

MaryL


Exactly

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Ahhhhhhhhhhhh, but it will NOT be in a "cage" it will be in an outdoor
enclosure, of probably close to an acre in size, with hidey-holes
(shelter and lairs/dens) and climbey-things (perches, trees, and
lookouts), probably some toys to alleviate boredom, with little (or no)
contact with humans. Humans will provide the food & sanitation (gotta
scoop the poop), maintenance on the enclosure itself (to ensure not
only the safety of those that live inside the enclosure, but to keep
neighboring people and wildlife safe as well), and any necessary
veterinary care. Otherwise, it will probably be left to it's own
devices to live protected from other predators, starvation and parasites.


But it cannot see all these nice things and it is a wild cat and now blind
It can only be in prison now.
















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http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news...hat_bobcat_san



Matthew, is this the full link? It ends with "san." I am asking
because I
have not been able to get it to open.

Thanks,
MaryL



I did a search and was able to read the article at this location:
http://www.baynews9.com/content/news...at_bobcat_san/

The link looks identical to the one Matthew posted except that it
also has a forward-slash at the end of the link. The article has an
additional link for entering names (and for donations).


I wasn't able to open Matt's link either but saw yours.
We don't have bobcats here, of course, but they are wild animals,
aren't
they? and I am not sure about keeping a blind wild animal in captivity
just
because we *can*.
I'm not sure about the quality of life it could have and saving a wild
animal is about that. Your views may differ.
Tweed



Yes, bobcats are wild cats. I saw one once when we were driving
through the Blue Ridge Parkway, and it trotted (safely) across the
road in front of us. I don't like seeing wild animals caged in small
enclosures. However, some sanctuaries have very large spaces
available--sometimes several acres. I did not read closely enough to
see if that is the type of sanctuary involved in this case.
Certainly, the cat would not have any chance of survival in the wild
since it is blind. I do understand what you are saying about quality
of life.



I would almost never say RB but its a wild animal that is blind and
it's future is what?
Yes we can save it. But.


absolutely it is called compassion

No, it is not, Matthew
It's called putting a wild animal, who is afraid of people, through
torture for the rest of its life.
I am in favour of saving wild animals who have medical problems, *if*
there is a realistic possibility of getting them back into the wild. If
not, IMO, they should be sent to RB.

Wildlife rehab people here also go along with this. If you cannot get
wild animals back into the wild, ever, you should not try to save them.
I agree with this.
What would a blind bobcat do? in its cage-for-life?
Think about it Matt.

Tweed



FIRST tweed think about this you over the pond folks have no idea about
wild animals there are no big predators over there in there UK. Second
they are not going to be in a cage it is a sanctuary. Have you ever been
to a open air zoo no cages. The big cat rescue has display cages that are
so huge that a family of 5 could live in there with ease. Plus these big
cats love their slaves take a look at their website. Also WHO said the
bobcat was afraid of humans I did not read that anywhere.
Also think about this do you think that a blind cat can't survive with a
human. I think that several members of this group will have something to
say

I am sorry you are Totally wrong about wild animals that cant survive in
the wild not being saved. So many rescue people like myself would give
you an earful for saying that. I got to met a wolf that was injured when
it ran across a road and got hit by a truck. It lost it back leg the
wolf was the most playful animal I have ever seen. It stayed at a rescue
sanctuary helping students learn on how to help injured animals.

There is a local big cat rescue where a Florida panther lost all of its
teeth in a car accident as a cub now who is 5 years old. The lady who did
the rescue takes the over sized furball as a teaching subject to local
schools to teach them about nature wild animals. So tweed do I think your
wrong YEP but you got a right to your opinion but I would NEVER put a
animal down just because it is wild
Neither would I but I think you are wrong to keep a wild animal alive just
because you can and with no prospect of returning it from whence it came.

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Christina Websell wrote:

I wasn't able to open Matt's link either but saw yours.
We don't have bobcats here, of course, but they are wild animals,
aren't they? and I am not sure about keeping a blind wild animal in
captivity just because we *can*.
I'm not sure about the quality of life it could have and saving a wild
animal is about that. Your views may differ.
Tweed

I suspect you don't have so many wild predators in the UK - here there
are quite a few sanctuaries for them. A sanctuary is not exactly
"captivity", and blind, deaf, and handicapped animals often do quite
well in them, where they are protected but allowed to roam free over a
fairly large area. (Of course, some end up there because people WILL
"adopt" them in states where it is not yet illegal, then discover that
cute, cuddly little critter grows into a not so cuddly and possibly
dangerous adult, but others have no place to go when human civilization
invades and destroys their habitat.) At the rate we're going, someday
the only place we may ever encounter them may be in the various wild
animal "parks".


Here's an example: We have a wild life sanctuary a few miles from my
home. The sanctuary has approximately 600 acres, and all animals are
free to roam within that area. In this case, they are all hooved
animals--no predators because predators like big cats cannot safely be
left with the types of animals in this sanctuary. In addition to the
"expected" rescue animals from the U.S., it is home to large numbers of
endangered animals from around the world. I have been to some big cat
sanctuaries. For obvious reasons, many species are separated (unlike my
first example), but they still have large amounts of space in which to
roam.

Oh, just stop it everyone. This big cat was wild and is now blind, it
will not roam in any space because it cannot see it, let it go to RB,
FGS.
Tell me (apart from never wanting to send a cat to RB) why it's a good
idea to name it, and keep it alive.
I can see no reason at all.

Than you should not even comment than at all

I think I should.