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wafflycat wrote:
Certainly in what is very much an outdoor environment, it is possibly excessive. Mind you, I was at a Rolling Stones concert years ago - held in an open air stadium - and despite it being open-air due to so many people being present, cigarette smoke and other less err... legal, forms of smoke were not being blown away effectively so it's the only time in my life I've smoked pot and it was secondhand smoke It's not even as though many people even smoke at said event, or for that matter in parks and play areas. Well, I don't spend much time in children's play areas, but they're usually located right next to paths etc., so I see them. I sometimes wonder if the same degree of anti-smoking fervour will be displayed against pot as against tobacco, if and when it's legalized! I could never bear to try it, since the smell is, to me, if anything worse than that of tobacco. As for not smoking where there are kids - I'm not sure that is excessive prohibition. Well, I have strong opinions on whether or not people aged from, say, mid-teens to age of majority should be treated as children. I realize we can't have legal rights and so on tailored to the individual, so lines must be drawn somewhere. But laws implying a 17 or 18 year old needs the same protection as a child of 2 or 3 are hard for me to accept. I also prefer individuals to make their own decisions about such things as the use of a legal substance - especially in their own homes. But I know many people, like you, disagree. Cheryl |
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Cheryl wrote:
I sometimes wonder if the same degree of anti-smoking fervour will be displayed against pot as against tobacco, if and when it's legalized! I could never bear to try it, since the smell is, to me, if anything worse than that of tobacco. I don't believe marijuana smoke is as harmful as cigarette smoke, but as I remember, it does do some harm to the smoker. Not sure about 2nd hand. Generally pot doesn't have all the additives that cigarette tobacco has. But you do get tar in your lungs from smoking pot. The thing is, most pot smokers don't smoke as often as cigarette smokers do. Even if you're the sort of person who's stoned all day long, you probably don't need to smoke more than 4 or 5 times a day to maintain the high. Compared with the amount the typical cigarette smoker inhales - a pack a day, or 20 cigs - I would expect the risks to be much lower. And this comparison is with a very heavy pot smoker. I would expect most pot smokers to have a much lower intake. Again, this says nothing about second-hand pot smoke. I don't know much about that. Well, I have strong opinions on whether or not people aged from, say, mid-teens to age of majority should be treated as children. I realize we can't have legal rights and so on tailored to the individual, so lines must be drawn somewhere. But laws implying a 17 or 18 year old needs the same protection as a child of 2 or 3 are hard for me to accept. What is the majority age in Canada? (Or is it different in each province?) It sounds like it's 21. It also sounds like different privileges are bestowed at different ages. I remember when 18-year-olds weren't allowed to vote in the US - you had to wait until you were 21. Yet 18 year olds could serve in the military. That's pretty inconsistent! And if someone can fight in a war at 18, why isn't he allowed to drink alcohol? -- Joyce ^..^ To email me, remove the XXX from my user name. |
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wrote in message ... What is the majority age in Canada? (Or is it different in each province?) It sounds like it's 21. It also sounds like different privileges are bestowed at different ages. I remember when 18-year-olds weren't allowed to vote in the US - you had to wait until you were 21. Yet 18 year olds could serve in the military. That's pretty inconsistent! And if someone can fight in a war at 18, why isn't he allowed to drink alcohol? I really don't know, but I sometimes wonder. I don't mean to belittle the sacrifice made by those in uniform. But I wonder if they aren't safer in Iraq and Afghanistan on a Saturday night than they would be here with a car and a six pack. Jo |
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"wafflycat" wrote in message ... My FiL (died many years ago) was a chain smoker. Whenever we went to visit him, my view was that it was his house and I never but never ask him to not smoke because I was there - I went to visit him therefore I put up with his smoking. He knew the adverse effect smoking had on me but he would always smoke in my presence - but it was his house. If he ever made comment that smoking never did anyone any harm I would point out the error of his ways on that topic, but I would not bring the topic up first - it was his house. Now in my house... it's a no smoking house. Neither DH, DS or I smoke. When FiL came to visit he would get exceeedingly stroppy about not being allowed to smoke in the house. His view was that I should accommodate him as a guest in my house. He didn't like it when I said that he had never offered me that courtesy in his house.. Wheh my smoking sister came to visit she was the same - if she went more than 20 minutes without a cigarette, she would get the shakes, be twitchy and very, very grumpy. She would go out into the garden to smoke - fair enough. But she still objected to not being able to smoke in my house - to the extent that she cut short her visit by several days as she could not cope with not smoking inside. Her leaving was bad???? Seriously, I've been on both sides of the problem and I just cannot understand the inability of people to be polite about the whole thing. Pam S. |
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Cat euthanization opinions wanted.
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote in message m... CatEyes wrote: I think it's probably not a good idea to bring it up now since nothing will change what happened, but definitely next time I would insist on being there. I would strongly urge anyone with a cat at that point to look into having a vet come to your home. I did with Bandit. I was surprised that it only cost $80 - I would gladly have paid ten times that amount just to know that she would be on her own bed, in her own house, and held and petted by me as she breathed her last. It's a small enough favor to do for a being that spends his or her whole life giving you unqualified love. Hugs, CatNipped Since, in the U.S., it's generally impossible to get HUMAN doctors to make "house calls", I'm not sure how successful that request would be - although perhaps in rural areas, where vets are accustomed to visiting their bovine and equine patients at home, it might be more likely. Come to think of it, though, I do remember that when the first cat I had in California was displaying a cat-bite abscess, the vet I phoned DID come to the house to treat him. However, that was way back in 1954, when things were different. Also, the vet I picked out of the phone book turned out to be one who specialized in larger, more exotic animals (including lions and tigers) used by the movie studios. My vets will do house calls if necessary, maybe because they are large animal vets too. You can't have a cow come to the surgery after all. It does cost more of course but I chose that option when it was time for my beloved Minnie whippet to go to the Bridge at 20 years old. I knew I would not be able to drive back from the surgery afterwards. I'd have been crying too much, she was my heart dog, we were pretty well attached at the hip. So what happens if you live alone, you know this is your heart dog/cats last appointment and your vet does not offer home visits? Do you drive to the vets yourself, do the deed and then outside in the car park weeping for hours? Not at my vets you don't. I once made the mistake of taking one of my whippets, Count, to be pts on my own. He was only 9, he had skin cancer and I tried everything to save him, he was taken to Cambridge University and had chemotherapy. I hoped it would work, it didn't. I knew it was time when his lip split open and began to bleed and the vet told me we had no more options. I made the appointment, then I took him into the countryside 2 hours before. He ran and ran and ran, loving it. As the needle went in and he collapsed on the vets table I suddenly could not stand it, so I ran outside, and the vet rushed after me to give comfort.. |
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Cat euthanization opinions wanted.
On Jun 16, 11:29*am, "Christina Websell"
wrote: "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote in message m... CatEyes wrote: I think it's probably not a good idea to bring it up now since nothing will change what happened, but definitely next time I would insist on being there. *I would strongly urge anyone with a cat at that point to look into having a vet come to your home. *I did with Bandit. *I was surprised that it only cost $80 - I would gladly have paid ten times that amount just to know that she would be on her own bed, in her own house, and held and petted by me as she breathed her last. *It's a small enough favor to do for a being that spends his or her whole life giving you unqualified love. Hugs, CatNipped Since, in the U.S., it's generally impossible to get HUMAN doctors to make "house calls", I'm not sure how successful that request would be - although perhaps in rural areas, where vets are accustomed to visiting their bovine and equine patients at home, it might be more likely. Come to think of it, though, I do remember that when the first cat I had in California was displaying a cat-bite abscess, the vet I phoned DID come to the house to treat him. *However, that was way back in 1954, when things were different. *Also, the vet I picked out of the phone book turned out to be one who specialized in larger, more exotic animals (including lions and tigers) used by the movie studios. My vets will do house calls if necessary, maybe because they are large animal vets too. *You can't have a cow come to the surgery after all. It does cost more of course but I chose that option when it was time for my beloved Minnie whippet to go to the Bridge at 20 years old. I knew I would not be able to drive back from the surgery afterwards. *I'd have been crying too much, she was my heart dog, we were pretty well attached at the hip. So what happens if you live alone, you know this is your heart dog/cats last appointment and your vet does not offer home visits? Do you drive to the vets yourself, do the deed and then outside in the car park weeping for hours? Not at my vets you don't. I once made the mistake of taking one of my whippets, Count, to be pts on my own. *He was only 9, he had skin cancer and I tried everything to save him, he was taken to Cambridge University and had chemotherapy. *I hoped it would work, it didn't. *I knew it was time when his lip split open and began to bleed and the vet told me we had no more options. I made the appointment, then I took him into the countryside 2 hours before. He ran and ran and ran, loving it. As the needle went in and he collapsed on the vets table I suddenly could not stand it, so I ran outside, and the *vet rushed after me to give comfort..- Hide quoted text - Doesn't seem that unusual to me -- after all, vets by nature should be compassionate people. My vet always waves me through the bill-paying process if I am visibly upset-- he yells at the office girls "She can pay later." One thing though -- I don't want surgery done onsite on any of my large animals. They're set up better at the animal hospital than they ever could be onsite. The exception would be calf or colt delivery. In fact, we usually take the livestock in for most everything, since we only have a small hobby herd, and they're just like big pets. They're not hard to transport at all. Sherry |
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Cat euthanization opinions wanted.
"Sherry" wrote in message
... On Jun 16, 11:29 am, "Christina Websell" wrote: "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote in message m... CatEyes wrote: I think it's probably not a good idea to bring it up now since nothing will change what happened, but definitely next time I would insist on being there. I would strongly urge anyone with a cat at that point to look into having a vet come to your home. I did with Bandit. I was surprised that it only cost $80 - I would gladly have paid ten times that amount just to know that she would be on her own bed, in her own house, and held and petted by me as she breathed her last. It's a small enough favor to do for a being that spends his or her whole life giving you unqualified love. Hugs, CatNipped Since, in the U.S., it's generally impossible to get HUMAN doctors to make "house calls", I'm not sure how successful that request would be - although perhaps in rural areas, where vets are accustomed to visiting their bovine and equine patients at home, it might be more likely. You never know until you ask. My mother, who lived in Alaska, was able to get a vet to come to the house to perform that final service. When Lindy was near the end, I checked with my vet, and she will also do it. Joy |
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Cat euthanization opinions wanted.
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You never know until you ask. My mother, who lived in Alaska, was able to get a vet to come to the house to perform that final service. When Lindy was near the end, I checked with my vet, and she will also do it. My vet doesn't make housecalls, but he is less than a block away from where I live. Not meaning to brag, but I consider myself VERY lucky. ChildFree23 childfree23 at earthlink dot net |
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