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Old February 18th 05, 09:22 PM
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"gaubster2" wrote:


WHY does there "need" to be a separation of church and state, again?
That is found nowhere in the Constitution and in fact, the 1st
Amendment to that document guarantees all of us the Freedom OF
Religion, not the freedom FROM religion. There is nothing wrong with
prayer in schools, it doesn't cause anybody bodily harm. There is
nothing wrong with mentioning Christmas in public, there is nothing
wrong with displaying a menorah or a nativity scene in public on public
property. It's called PUBLIC property for a reason. I hope you're not
a member of the jihad against Christianity or religion in general!


Religion has about as much place in government as any other club you
want to belong to. Basically none at all.

-mhd
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Old February 18th 05, 10:24 PM
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There is nothing wrong with
prayer in schools, it doesn't cause anybody bodily harm. There is
nothing wrong with mentioning Christmas in public, there is nothing
wrong with displaying a menorah or a nativity scene in public on public

property. It's called PUBLIC property for a reason. I hope you're not

a member of the jihad against Christianity or religion in general!


Why am I not surprised you'd say something like this, lol. You are
such a freak!

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Old February 18th 05, 11:43 PM
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gaubster2 wrote:
Cat Protector wrote:
I am glad I don't live in Texas. I am all for banning declawing but

his
stance on allowing prayer in the schools is wrong as their needs to

be a
separation of church and state. I don't know of a lot of Jews that

are for
that one even though this candidate claims to be Jewish. I would

look
at the
other issues as a whole before voting for a particular candidate.
Politicians are notorious for telling people what they want to hear

just to
get votes. If a candidate tells me they are a cat lover but yet are

weak on
the issues then I don't think that it would be enough to get my

vote.


WHY does there "need" to be a separation of church and state, again?
That is found nowhere in the Constitution and in fact, the 1st
Amendment to that document guarantees all of us the Freedom OF
Religion, not the freedom FROM religion.


*Oh Sweet Cream of Jesus over Noodles! Freedom OF religion includes
freedom FROM religion. Atheism is a valid belief system that differs
from Christianity ONLY because it rejects one more religion than
Christianity does (that *being* Christianity!)

There is nothing wrong with
prayer in schools, it doesn't cause anybody bodily harm.


There is *everything* wrong with prayer in public schools. I pay for
those schools. Keep your Bible out of my school. besides, I can give
you oodles of examples of people being harmed by religion. If you want
to pray, do it in your private school.

There is
nothing wrong with mentioning Christmas in public, there is nothing
wrong with displaying a menorah or a nativity scene in public on

public
property. It's called PUBLIC property for a reason.


Yep. And so you have to give the same rights to the Satanists, the KKK
and anyone else who wants to display anything they deem a religious
artifact. Live sacrifice of animals - yep, that has to be allowed as
well. The "taking" a virgin by a religious leader - yep, that has to
be allwed as well. Go ahead and put up your cross and I can guarantee
you will start a squaking when the Satanists start up their public
display.

-L.
(*My apologies to Swan...)

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Old February 18th 05, 11:46 PM
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Cat Protector wrote:
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If a candidate tells me they are a cat lover but yet are weak on
the issues then I don't think that it would be enough to get my vote.


Particularly with something as serious as prayer in schools.

-L.

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Old February 19th 05, 01:00 AM
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"KellyH" wrote in message
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"gaubster2" wrote in message
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WHY does there "need" to be a separation of church and state, again?
That is found nowhere in the Constitution and in fact, the 1st
Amendment to that document guarantees all of us the Freedom OF
Religion, not the freedom FROM religion. There is nothing wrong with
prayer in schools, it doesn't cause anybody bodily harm.


What? You have to physically harm a person in order for any harm to be
done??

There is
nothing wrong with mentioning Christmas in public, there is nothing
wrong with displaying a menorah or a nativity scene in public on public
property. It's called PUBLIC property for a reason. I hope you're not
a member of the jihad against Christianity or religion in general!


Not everyone in the US is Christian, or even has a religion.


Correct.

I have no
problem with a moment of silence in public school so the kids can silently
pray, meditate, collect their thoughts, or do nothing. I have a BIG

problem
with an out-loud prayer or the teacher saying "let's pray".


Yep & yep.

Cathy


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Old February 19th 05, 04:48 AM
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Cat Protector wrote:
Not everyone is Christian and I find forcing the views of a religion

on
someone else offensive. Prayer in public schools does not belong. By

your
post I have to wonder how you would feel if someone pushed their

culture or
religious beliefs upon you? I know I feel very uncomfortable when

people
push their religious beliefs on me.

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You don't have the right to NOT be offended. Nobody is *pushing*
religion on you if you don't want that to happen. BUT, by banning all
reference to religion, etc. in the public discourse, then you are
pushing your anti-religion views on me. Stupid people offend me all
the time, but that doesn't mean there should be a law against
stupidity. Or should there be?

For example, gay marriage is something that is being foisted on the
general public at large in many states (and especially here in the
Portland area). Interestingly enough, it's okay for the socialists and
the left-wing to push their agenda on the public at large, but as soon
as their is push-back from the public....well, then it becomes a matter
of "unconstitutionality". It's a double-standard from the left and
hyprocrisy at large. For whatever reason, the left likes to
discriminate against Christianity, but not any other religion. Your
post above makes it clear that you have a problem with Christianity,
specifically. Do you have a problem with people of other faiths, or
are you just intolerant in that one area?

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Old February 19th 05, 04:54 AM
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dgk wrote:


There needs to be separation because I hate your false religion,
whatever it is. All religion is a pack of lies. You want to teach

that
poop in religious schools, no problem.

Growing up I felt very weird having to fake believing in some crap
being broadcast over the school PA. Nothing made me happier than
having it banned.


Oh, so since you are intolerant of other people's beliefs, you are in
support of censorship? How diverse of you.

I suppose just because you don't like something, then you want to ban
it and change the law? Sounds as if you'd prefer a dictatorship,
instead of freedom!

BTW, without even knowing what I believe or don't believe in, you are
showing that you hate whatever it is I do or don't believe in. How
quaint. If you've got a problem with the US Constitution, then perhaps
you ought to take it up with the Founders who've been dead for about
200 years...or you could move to Cuba! Just a suggestion.

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Old February 19th 05, 04:54 AM
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gaubster2 wrote:
For whatever reason, the left likes to
discriminate against Christianity, but not any other religion. Your
post above makes it clear that you have a problem with Christianity,
specifically. Do you have a problem with people of other faiths, or
are you just intolerant in that one area?


my 2 cents? if more christians practiced true christianity as JC
envisioned it...the world would be a much better place. of course, the
same goes for a fanatic of any religion. but really, IMO, i have much
less of a problem with the actual religion than I do with those who
claim to practice it.

pam
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Old February 19th 05, 04:55 AM
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Orchid wrote:
On 18 Feb 2005 09:12:13 -0800, "gaubster2" wrote:


WHY does there "need" to be a separation of church and state, again?
That is found nowhere in the Constitution and in fact, the 1st
Amendment to that document guarantees all of us the Freedom OF
Religion, not the freedom FROM religion. There is nothing wrong

with
prayer in schools, it doesn't cause anybody bodily harm. There is
nothing wrong with mentioning Christmas in public, there is nothing
wrong with displaying a menorah or a nativity scene in public on

public
property. It's called PUBLIC property for a reason. I hope you're

not
a member of the jihad against Christianity or religion in general!


So, you're all good with the local Wiccan Coven holding a
public Circle? How about a Pentacle hanging next to that Nativity
scene and Menorah?

If that's what the members of that particular (hypothetical) community
want, then fine by me. We have religious freedom in this
country....what a BEAUTIFUL thing! If you don't like it, then you
don't have to look at it.

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Old February 19th 05, 05:05 AM
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PawsForThought wrote:
There is nothing wrong with

prayer in schools, it doesn't cause anybody bodily harm. There is
nothing wrong with mentioning Christmas in public, there is nothing
wrong with displaying a menorah or a nativity scene in public on

public

property. It's called PUBLIC property for a reason. I hope you're

not

a member of the jihad against Christianity or religion in general!


Why am I not surprised you'd say something like this, lol. You are
such a freak!


And you are a confirmed LIAR (based off of your previous threads on
this ng). Not to mention the fact, that you are showing just how
intolerant and hateful you really are. You don't like someone's
opinion and so you call them a name. I see that you're back to
stalking ME again. What's the matter, Lauren? You don't like opinions
that differ from yours? Right off the bat, you resort to name calling.
You are a sad, sad person.

 




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