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"gaubster2" wrote:
WHY does there "need" to be a separation of church and state, again? That is found nowhere in the Constitution and in fact, the 1st Amendment to that document guarantees all of us the Freedom OF Religion, not the freedom FROM religion. There is nothing wrong with prayer in schools, it doesn't cause anybody bodily harm. There is nothing wrong with mentioning Christmas in public, there is nothing wrong with displaying a menorah or a nativity scene in public on public property. It's called PUBLIC property for a reason. I hope you're not a member of the jihad against Christianity or religion in general! Religion has about as much place in government as any other club you want to belong to. Basically none at all. -mhd |
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There is nothing wrong with
prayer in schools, it doesn't cause anybody bodily harm. There is nothing wrong with mentioning Christmas in public, there is nothing wrong with displaying a menorah or a nativity scene in public on public property. It's called PUBLIC property for a reason. I hope you're not a member of the jihad against Christianity or religion in general! Why am I not surprised you'd say something like this, lol. You are such a freak! |
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gaubster2 wrote: Cat Protector wrote: I am glad I don't live in Texas. I am all for banning declawing but his stance on allowing prayer in the schools is wrong as their needs to be a separation of church and state. I don't know of a lot of Jews that are for that one even though this candidate claims to be Jewish. I would look at the other issues as a whole before voting for a particular candidate. Politicians are notorious for telling people what they want to hear just to get votes. If a candidate tells me they are a cat lover but yet are weak on the issues then I don't think that it would be enough to get my vote. WHY does there "need" to be a separation of church and state, again? That is found nowhere in the Constitution and in fact, the 1st Amendment to that document guarantees all of us the Freedom OF Religion, not the freedom FROM religion. *Oh Sweet Cream of Jesus over Noodles! Freedom OF religion includes freedom FROM religion. Atheism is a valid belief system that differs from Christianity ONLY because it rejects one more religion than Christianity does (that *being* Christianity!) There is nothing wrong with prayer in schools, it doesn't cause anybody bodily harm. There is *everything* wrong with prayer in public schools. I pay for those schools. Keep your Bible out of my school. besides, I can give you oodles of examples of people being harmed by religion. If you want to pray, do it in your private school. There is nothing wrong with mentioning Christmas in public, there is nothing wrong with displaying a menorah or a nativity scene in public on public property. It's called PUBLIC property for a reason. Yep. And so you have to give the same rights to the Satanists, the KKK and anyone else who wants to display anything they deem a religious artifact. Live sacrifice of animals - yep, that has to be allowed as well. The "taking" a virgin by a religious leader - yep, that has to be allwed as well. Go ahead and put up your cross and I can guarantee you will start a squaking when the Satanists start up their public display. -L. (*My apologies to Swan...) |
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Cat Protector wrote: snip If a candidate tells me they are a cat lover but yet are weak on the issues then I don't think that it would be enough to get my vote. Particularly with something as serious as prayer in schools. -L. |
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"KellyH" wrote in message ... "gaubster2" wrote in message ps.com... WHY does there "need" to be a separation of church and state, again? That is found nowhere in the Constitution and in fact, the 1st Amendment to that document guarantees all of us the Freedom OF Religion, not the freedom FROM religion. There is nothing wrong with prayer in schools, it doesn't cause anybody bodily harm. What? You have to physically harm a person in order for any harm to be done?? There is nothing wrong with mentioning Christmas in public, there is nothing wrong with displaying a menorah or a nativity scene in public on public property. It's called PUBLIC property for a reason. I hope you're not a member of the jihad against Christianity or religion in general! Not everyone in the US is Christian, or even has a religion. Correct. I have no problem with a moment of silence in public school so the kids can silently pray, meditate, collect their thoughts, or do nothing. I have a BIG problem with an out-loud prayer or the teacher saying "let's pray". Yep & yep. Cathy |
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Cat Protector wrote: Not everyone is Christian and I find forcing the views of a religion on someone else offensive. Prayer in public schools does not belong. By your post I have to wonder how you would feel if someone pushed their culture or religious beliefs upon you? I know I feel very uncomfortable when people push their religious beliefs on me. -- You don't have the right to NOT be offended. Nobody is *pushing* religion on you if you don't want that to happen. BUT, by banning all reference to religion, etc. in the public discourse, then you are pushing your anti-religion views on me. Stupid people offend me all the time, but that doesn't mean there should be a law against stupidity. Or should there be? For example, gay marriage is something that is being foisted on the general public at large in many states (and especially here in the Portland area). Interestingly enough, it's okay for the socialists and the left-wing to push their agenda on the public at large, but as soon as their is push-back from the public....well, then it becomes a matter of "unconstitutionality". It's a double-standard from the left and hyprocrisy at large. For whatever reason, the left likes to discriminate against Christianity, but not any other religion. Your post above makes it clear that you have a problem with Christianity, specifically. Do you have a problem with people of other faiths, or are you just intolerant in that one area? |
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dgk wrote: There needs to be separation because I hate your false religion, whatever it is. All religion is a pack of lies. You want to teach that poop in religious schools, no problem. Growing up I felt very weird having to fake believing in some crap being broadcast over the school PA. Nothing made me happier than having it banned. Oh, so since you are intolerant of other people's beliefs, you are in support of censorship? How diverse of you. I suppose just because you don't like something, then you want to ban it and change the law? Sounds as if you'd prefer a dictatorship, instead of freedom! BTW, without even knowing what I believe or don't believe in, you are showing that you hate whatever it is I do or don't believe in. How quaint. If you've got a problem with the US Constitution, then perhaps you ought to take it up with the Founders who've been dead for about 200 years...or you could move to Cuba! Just a suggestion. |
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gaubster2 wrote:
For whatever reason, the left likes to discriminate against Christianity, but not any other religion. Your post above makes it clear that you have a problem with Christianity, specifically. Do you have a problem with people of other faiths, or are you just intolerant in that one area? my 2 cents? if more christians practiced true christianity as JC envisioned it...the world would be a much better place. of course, the same goes for a fanatic of any religion. but really, IMO, i have much less of a problem with the actual religion than I do with those who claim to practice it. pam |
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Orchid wrote: On 18 Feb 2005 09:12:13 -0800, "gaubster2" wrote: WHY does there "need" to be a separation of church and state, again? That is found nowhere in the Constitution and in fact, the 1st Amendment to that document guarantees all of us the Freedom OF Religion, not the freedom FROM religion. There is nothing wrong with prayer in schools, it doesn't cause anybody bodily harm. There is nothing wrong with mentioning Christmas in public, there is nothing wrong with displaying a menorah or a nativity scene in public on public property. It's called PUBLIC property for a reason. I hope you're not a member of the jihad against Christianity or religion in general! So, you're all good with the local Wiccan Coven holding a public Circle? How about a Pentacle hanging next to that Nativity scene and Menorah? If that's what the members of that particular (hypothetical) community want, then fine by me. We have religious freedom in this country....what a BEAUTIFUL thing! If you don't like it, then you don't have to look at it. |
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PawsForThought wrote: There is nothing wrong with prayer in schools, it doesn't cause anybody bodily harm. There is nothing wrong with mentioning Christmas in public, there is nothing wrong with displaying a menorah or a nativity scene in public on public property. It's called PUBLIC property for a reason. I hope you're not a member of the jihad against Christianity or religion in general! Why am I not surprised you'd say something like this, lol. You are such a freak! And you are a confirmed LIAR (based off of your previous threads on this ng). Not to mention the fact, that you are showing just how intolerant and hateful you really are. You don't like someone's opinion and so you call them a name. I see that you're back to stalking ME again. What's the matter, Lauren? You don't like opinions that differ from yours? Right off the bat, you resort to name calling. You are a sad, sad person. |
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