Roly-poly pets: Overweight animals at risk for diseases, death

sighthounds & siberians wrote:
On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 13:34:44 -0400, Char
wrote:
Stop starving your cat!

Stop being an alarmist and posting inaccurate crap!



"No pessimist ever discovered the secret of the stars, or sailed to an
uncharted land, or opened a new doorway for the human spirit." Helen Keller

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"cybercat" wrote:


"sighthounds & siberians" wrote in message
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On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 13:34:44 -0400, Char
wrote:

As long as you feed her kibble she will be a fat cat. Kibble is
primarily grains that you are feeding to a carnivore. Kibble causes
obesity, diabetes, and worse.

There is absolutely no evidence that kibble causes obesity, or
diabetes, or worse, and it is incredibly irresponsible that Char posts
such misinformation.

On the contrary, there is lots of evidence, in the way of fat cats
freefeeding on "diet" dry cat food. Feeding your cats that carb laden crap
dehydrates them and fills them up with starch they do not need. If you free
feed, they keep eating because they cannot get what really satisfies
them--MEAT--so they fill up on starch instead. Terrible stuff. You feed
"kibble" because you are cheap and lazy. I feed quality canned food every 12
hours because I care about my cats more than I care about my convenience.

Gawd! Your house and catbox must smell terrible! Cats on that
kind of diet leave the most horrible smells.


Cut out the carbs and feed protein and all will be well. Look into
feeding a raw diet which is species appropriate for cats and dogs as well.

Don't look into feeding a cat a raw diet unless you are prepared to do
a lot of research, or else follow a diet that has been researched and
recommended by a nutritionist. Just throwing raw meat at your cat
will not provide him/her with a balanced diet.

The advice to see a vet usually ends up with the pet being put on a diet
of high fiber kibble so the real culprit isn't addressed.

Well, although I respect my vets, I wouldn't consult them for advice
on weight loss or nutrition for my animals. It's not rocket science
to figure out that feeding smaller quantities and increasing exercise
will result in weight loss, just as it does in people. A special diet
is not required.

I've seen
countless cats with kidney problems, diabetes, obesity, etc turn their
health around merely by switching to a raw diet.

I've seen countless cats live long, healthy lives when fed a high
quality kibble. In fact, the youngest I've lost a cat is age 13.

Stop starving your cat!

Stop being an alarmist and posting inaccurate crap!

On 17 Sep 2009, (Barb) wrote:
http://www.suntimes.com/lifestyles/p...yFat17.article

Roly-poly pets: Overweight animals at risk for diseases, death

September 17, 2009

BY CELESTE BUSK Staff Reporter
If your pooch is packing on the pounds or the cat waddles when she struts,
it may be time for a diet.

Pet obesity has emerged as a leading cause of preventable disease and death
in dogs and cats, animal experts warn.

» Click to enlarge image An animal care technician at the Oregon Humane
Society holds temporarily-named feline Goliath, a 20-pound stray whose
girth got him stuck in a pet door while trying to plunder some dog food.
(AP file)

RELATED STORIESTips to help your pet lose weight

"Our pets are in real danger of not living as long as previous generations
and developing serious and costly diseases such as diabetes and other
largely avoidable conditions," said Dr. Ernie Ward, president of the
Association for Pet Obesity Prevention based in Calabash, N.C.

According to a 2008 study by the association, 7.2 million dogs are
estimated to be obese and 26 million overweight. The number in cats is
higher, with 15.7 million estimated to be obese and 35 million overweight.

"These numbers represent a huge problem. Just as we've become a nation of
couch potatoes, our pets have become a nation of lap potatoes -- and that's
not good for anyone," said Ward on his Web site,
www.petobesityprevention.com.

Smaller breeds of dogs had more trouble with their weight than larger
breeds, the study showed. Breeds such as Dachshunds, Chihuahuas, and
Yorkshire terriers were more likely to be classified as overweight than
Labrador retrievers, golden retrievers or German shepherds.

"Smaller, indoor-only dogs tend to have more trouble maintaining a healthy
weight because they don't get adequate exercise. Unfortunately, these are
also the dogs we're seeing a high number of weight-related disorders in,"
Ward said.

Pet experts say excess weight causes or contributes to many painful and
debilitating conditions such as: osteoarthritis, type 2 diabetes,
respiratory disorders, hypertension (high blood pressure), heart disease
and many forms of cancer.

To determine if your dog or cat is overweight, check the rib cage, Ward
said. If your pet is overweight ribs will be difficult to feel under the
fat. If the stomach sags and you can grab a handful of fat, the pet is
overweight. Other obesity indicators are a broad and flat back or if the
waist is barely visible or absent.

If your pet is obese, go to the vet. You should never put your dog or cat
on a diet without the assistance of your vet, according to
www.petobesityprevention.com. There may be a medical condition causing a
pet's excess weight. Some common diseases associated with weight gain in
dogs include hypothyroidism and hyperadrenocorticism (Cushing's disease).

"Too many dogs start on a diet and fail to lose weight simply because the
diet wasn't the problem -- a disease was," Ward said.

Celebrity pet expert Andrea Arden, who was in Chicago recently, says that
an overweight pet is an unhealthy pet. Arden, who has written numerous pet
training books, currently appears on three Animal Planet's shows, "Underdog
to Wonder Dog," "Dogs 101" and "Cats 101."

"It's definitely a problem and a large percentage of the pet-owning
population has pets who are overweight due in great part to the fact that
people often kill with kindness by indulging pets with food and treats,"
Arden said.

One of the first steps is choosing the correct food. Read the label and
look for protein without any animal byproducts, Arden recommends. Avoid
wheat gluten and soy artificial flavors, colors and preservatives.

"Carefully research what's in the bag or can. You, and your pet, are what
you eat," Arden said.

According to www.petobesitypre vention.com, to maintain an ideal weight, a
typical indoor 10-pound cat should get 180 to 200 calories a day. For
indoor dogs, the daily calories a 200 to 275 for 10-pound dogs; 325 to
400 for 20-pound dogs and 700 to 900 for 50-pound dogs.

"Make sure you don't overfeed your dog, don't feed them from the table and
curtail the treats," Arden said.

"Almost in all obesity cases, a dog doesn't have adequate fitness. They're
home with not much to do. They need regular exercise. Don't just take the
dog out for a walk, let them run," Arden said, noting that pet owners need
to gradually introduce pets to exercise.

For those looking for a passive way to exercise the dog while hanging out
on the couch, Arden suggested having the canine go through a regime of
tricks -- roll over, take a bow, sit on hind legs.

"This way the pet gets physically and mentally stimulated," Arden said.

Another exercise trick is to take the food you normally fit in a bowl and
put the food in three to five food stuffable toys, Arden said. "This gives
your dog the ability to hunt for food instead of stuffing out from one big
bowl."

The obesity rate of dogs in France is catching up to the US, lol.

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"cybercat" wrote:


They are carnivores, asswipe. That is all you need to remember. The only
benefit in feeding dry is to the human. Convenience and price.

Nuh-uh. Just ask Skipjack. He says that eating kibble is MUCH more
preferable an nothing to do with convenience. Of course, he gets
canned food 2x/day, 10.5 hours apart because it is better for him. He
gets a token amount of EVO (grain free and NOT inexpensive) kibble at
bedtime. Why? Because he loves it and it is still a healthy food.

--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

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"cybercat" wrote:

When I stopped feeding dry
my cat stopped hurling, too. They gobble the dry food because they're
hungry, and eat too much because they are not satisfied, then it expands in
their stomachs and there you have it, on the rug.


Skipjack has never barfed. Go figure.

--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

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sighthounds & siberians wrote:


She's a very contrary cat, she is.

How unusual! Haha!

--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

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Petzl wrote:


Occasionally buy a raw chicken wing put it under grill not to cook but
just brown the skin, when cooled give it to cat good for their teeth
(now watch the complaints about this fact?)

My cat wouldn't touch it.

--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

OK. Now that you turned this discussion firmly into one about cats, it
is time to take your flame war out of the dog newsgroups...

Thank you

cyberpurrs wrote:

"Tara Green" wrote in message
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cyberpurrs wrote:

"sighthounds & siberians" wrote in message
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On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 00:21:16 -0400, Tara Green
wrote:

sighthounds & siberians wrote:
On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 23:51:23 -0400, "cybercat"
wrote:

"sighthounds & siberians" wrote
Please post some of this evidence that kibble causes diabettes, and
that kibble dehydrates cats.
You and anyone else can feed your cats **** if you want to. You
can do
anything to them, right? But they need canned food. Quality meat,
delivered
with moisture as they would get in the wild. Cats naturally get a
lot of
moisture from their food. Dry food ****s this up. When I stopped
feeding dry
my cat stopped hurling, too. They gobble the dry food because
they're
hungry, and eat too much because they are not satisfied, then it
expands in
their stomachs and there you have it, on the rug.

That's not evidence.

I'm well aware of the benefits of canned food, which is why I feed
quality canned cat food, and always have. I guess you were so busy
frothing at the mouth that you missed that. I've had cats, though,
that wouldn't eat canned food, just as I've had cats that threw up no
matter what they ate and cats that never threw up no matter what they
ate. Anecdotes aren't the same as evidence.




Very true.

And what's with the frothing? You'd think
there's be more of that in the DOG groups ;-)

It's cybercat. She's always frothing.


Isn't this precious. It's a lady's circle jerk.

As opposed to your usual solo performance?


Yes, as a matter of fact. "Tara."

Janet Boss wrote:
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Petzl wrote:

Occasionally buy a raw chicken wing put it under grill not to cook but
just brown the skin, when cooled give it to cat good for their teeth
(now watch the complaints about this fact?)

My cat wouldn't touch it.


Stop beating them and maybe they would. But seriously....

I just got a new kitten, 8 months old and he took to chicken right away.
Raw of course.

Older cats are very difficult to switch over to a better diet mainly
because kibble is mostly carbohydrates which are addictive. However,
there are a lot of people determined to feed their cats better and will
take the weeks or months needed to switch them over. It takes
determination and love is all.

On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 08:28:16 -0400, Janet Boss
wrote:

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Petzl wrote:


Occasionally buy a raw chicken wing put it under grill not to cook but
just brown the skin, when cooled give it to cat good for their teeth
(now watch the complaints about this fact?)

My cat wouldn't touch it.

And now you've been told

Most cats love it but cat's can get pickey

Petzl