Would you tell a lie to save a cat?

On 3/20/2015 11:45 AM, Christina Websell wrote:
"Cheryl" wrote in message
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On 2015-03-18 10:52 PM, Christina Websell wrote:
"Cheryl" wrote in message
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On 2015-03-11 6:30 PM, Lesley Madigan wrote:
When my mum was buying a place it had a "no pets" clause. She explained
that she was currently looking after my brothers cat (He been sent to
New
York by his company for 3-4 months and this was before the pet passport
scheme so if he took his cat with him then at the end of that time when
he came back to the UK he would have had to put Schroedinger in
quarantine for 6 months)

They told her the reason for the clause was if there was an
irresponsible
pet owner like say someone who let their dogs out when they went to
work
of a morning and left them to run around all day then they could use
it.
They had no problem with an indoor only cat

I was told by many people that no one took these rules seriously and no
one would even notice an extra cat. But it would only take one
disgruntled
or spiteful neighbour - perhaps one who disliked or was allergic to
cats -
who pointed out to the board the existence of a second cat to put me in
the legal position of having to either get rid of one of my cats or move
out. I didn't want to be vulnerable to that sort of thing (or to lie
about
my cats).

That sort of thing happens, even without legal justification. There was
a
local media article a little while ago about people who were trying to
force a neighbour to stop smoking even though the building rules allowed
smoking in the units (although not in the common areas) and the
neighbour
had voluntarily agreed to smoke only on his balcony.

Cheryl

so what could be worse? having a second cat or being a smoker?
Could you be thrown out for either?



Which is worse and what would happen would depend on the terms of the
lease or the building rules. In the case of the smoker there weren't any
rules against him smoking inside his apartment or on his balcony, but his
neighbour wanted him to stop anyway, and, not having any way to force him
to change, tried to do so by embarrassing him publicly. I don't know what
happened in the end.

Cheryl

If smoking is allowed, a neighbour has no right to subject *his* neighbour
to public embarrassment for smoking in his own apartment. IMO. What next?
I don't like how you dress??
I have my own house and I can do what I want, within reason, including
smoking. I don't smoke but surely you can smoke in your own home even if
it's rented.

I can do so much as I want here that I can keep pigs if I want to .
Haven't. That's one of the reasons why I don't want to move to a bungalow.

Smoking in a house is not going to have an effect on someone who doesn't
enter the house. Smoking in an apartment can effect those in adjoining
apartments. The way you dress may offend, but it doesn't hurt anybody.
Second hand smoke not only can hurt, it can kill.

You may be able to keep pigs where you are, but there are a good many
places where you can't keep farm animals at your home.

Aside from the fact that smoking is what killed my husband, I find that
a great many smokers are totally inconsiderate of others. I am very
happy that I currently know very few people who smoke. I would be very
happy if all tobacco disappeared from the world.

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"Joy" wrote in message
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On 3/20/2015 11:45 AM, Christina Websell wrote:
"Cheryl" wrote in message
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On 2015-03-18 10:52 PM, Christina Websell wrote:
"Cheryl" wrote in message
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On 2015-03-11 6:30 PM, Lesley Madigan wrote:
When my mum was buying a place it had a "no pets" clause. She
explained
that she was currently looking after my brothers cat (He been sent to
New
York by his company for 3-4 months and this was before the pet
passport
scheme so if he took his cat with him then at the end of that time
when
he came back to the UK he would have had to put Schroedinger in
quarantine for 6 months)

They told her the reason for the clause was if there was an
irresponsible
pet owner like say someone who let their dogs out when they went to
work
of a morning and left them to run around all day then they could use
it.
They had no problem with an indoor only cat

I was told by many people that no one took these rules seriously and
no
one would even notice an extra cat. But it would only take one
disgruntled
or spiteful neighbour - perhaps one who disliked or was allergic to
cats -
who pointed out to the board the existence of a second cat to put me
in
the legal position of having to either get rid of one of my cats or
move
out. I didn't want to be vulnerable to that sort of thing (or to lie
about
my cats).

That sort of thing happens, even without legal justification. There
was
a
local media article a little while ago about people who were trying to
force a neighbour to stop smoking even though the building rules
allowed
smoking in the units (although not in the common areas) and the
neighbour
had voluntarily agreed to smoke only on his balcony.

Cheryl

so what could be worse? having a second cat or being a smoker?
Could you be thrown out for either?



Which is worse and what would happen would depend on the terms of the
lease or the building rules. In the case of the smoker there weren't any
rules against him smoking inside his apartment or on his balcony, but
his
neighbour wanted him to stop anyway, and, not having any way to force
him
to change, tried to do so by embarrassing him publicly. I don't know
what
happened in the end.

Cheryl

If smoking is allowed, a neighbour has no right to subject *his*
neighbour
to public embarrassment for smoking in his own apartment. IMO. What
next?
I don't like how you dress??
I have my own house and I can do what I want, within reason, including
smoking. I don't smoke but surely you can smoke in your own home even if
it's rented.

I can do so much as I want here that I can keep pigs if I want to .
Haven't. That's one of the reasons why I don't want to move to a
bungalow.

Smoking in a house is not going to have an effect on someone who doesn't
enter the house. Smoking in an apartment can effect those in adjoining
apartments. The way you dress may offend, but it doesn't hurt anybody.
Second hand smoke not only can hurt, it can kill


Not if you smoke in your own house surely. If a little tiny bit of smoke
creeps out, it will not kill you or your neighbours.
I am so fed up of smokers being the new lepers.

Christina wrote:
"Joy" wrote in message
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On 3/20/2015 11:45 AM, Christina Websell wrote:
"Cheryl" wrote in message
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On 2015-03-18 10:52 PM, Christina Websell wrote:
"Cheryl" wrote in message
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On 2015-03-11 6:30 PM, Lesley Madigan wrote:
When my mum was buying a place it had a "no pets" clause. She
explained
that she was currently looking after my brothers cat (He been sent to
New
York by his company for 3-4 months and this was before the pet
passport
scheme so if he took his cat with him then at the end of that time
when
he came back to the UK he would have had to put Schroedinger in
quarantine for 6 months)

They told her the reason for the clause was if there was an
irresponsible
pet owner like say someone who let their dogs out when they went to
work
of a morning and left them to run around all day then they could use
it.
They had no problem with an indoor only cat

I was told by many people that no one took these rules seriously and
no
one would even notice an extra cat. But it would only take one
disgruntled
or spiteful neighbour - perhaps one who disliked or was allergic to
cats -
who pointed out to the board the existence of a second cat to put me
in
the legal position of having to either get rid of one of my cats or
move
out. I didn't want to be vulnerable to that sort of thing (or to lie
about
my cats).

That sort of thing happens, even without legal justification. There
was
a
local media article a little while ago about people who were trying to
force a neighbour to stop smoking even though the building rules
allowed
smoking in the units (although not in the common areas) and the
neighbour
had voluntarily agreed to smoke only on his balcony.

Cheryl

so what could be worse? having a second cat or being a smoker?
Could you be thrown out for either?



Which is worse and what would happen would depend on the terms of the
lease or the building rules. In the case of the smoker there weren't any
rules against him smoking inside his apartment or on his balcony, but
his
neighbour wanted him to stop anyway, and, not having any way to force
him
to change, tried to do so by embarrassing him publicly. I don't know
what
happened in the end.

Cheryl

If smoking is allowed, a neighbour has no right to subject *his*
neighbour
to public embarrassment for smoking in his own apartment. IMO. What
next?
I don't like how you dress??
I have my own house and I can do what I want, within reason, including
smoking. I don't smoke but surely you can smoke in your own home even if
it's rented.

I can do so much as I want here that I can keep pigs if I want to .
Haven't. That's one of the reasons why I don't want to move to a
bungalow.

Smoking in a house is not going to have an effect on someone who doesn't
enter the house. Smoking in an apartment can effect those in adjoining
apartments. The way you dress may offend, but it doesn't hurt anybody.
Second hand smoke not only can hurt, it can kill
Not if you smoke in your own house surely. If a little tiny bit of smoke
creeps out, it will not kill you or your neighbours.
I am so fed up of smokers being the new lepers.

When I'm within a few feet of someone smoking, I cough, choke, gag, sneeze, can't breathe, but I doubt someone in another apartment could be bothered enough by an occasional cigarette to cause that much trouble.

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Christina wrote:
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On 3/20/2015 11:45 AM, Christina Websell wrote:
"Cheryl" wrote in message
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On 2015-03-18 10:52 PM, Christina Websell wrote:
"Cheryl" wrote in message
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On 2015-03-11 6:30 PM, Lesley Madigan wrote:
When my mum was buying a place it had a "no pets" clause. She
explained
that she was currently looking after my brothers cat (He been
sent to
New
York by his company for 3-4 months and this was before the pet
passport
scheme so if he took his cat with him then at the end of that
time when
he came back to the UK he would have had to put Schroedinger in
quarantine for 6 months)

They told her the reason for the clause was if there was an
irresponsible
pet owner like say someone who let their dogs out when they went
to
work
of a morning and left them to run around all day then they could
use
it.
They had no problem with an indoor only cat

I was told by many people that no one took these rules seriously
and no
one would even notice an extra cat. But it would only take one
disgruntled
or spiteful neighbour - perhaps one who disliked or was allergic
to
cats -
who pointed out to the board the existence of a second cat to put
me in
the legal position of having to either get rid of one of my cats
or move
out. I didn't want to be vulnerable to that sort of thing (or to
lie
about
my cats).

That sort of thing happens, even without legal justification.
There was
a
local media article a little while ago about people who were
trying to
force a neighbour to stop smoking even though the building rules
allowed
smoking in the units (although not in the common areas) and the
neighbour
had voluntarily agreed to smoke only on his balcony.

Cheryl

so what could be worse? having a second cat or being a smoker?
Could you be thrown out for either?



Which is worse and what would happen would depend on the terms of
the
lease or the building rules. In the case of the smoker there weren't
any
rules against him smoking inside his apartment or on his balcony,
but his
neighbour wanted him to stop anyway, and, not having any way to
force him
to change, tried to do so by embarrassing him publicly. I don't know
what
happened in the end.

Cheryl

If smoking is allowed, a neighbour has no right to subject *his*
neighbour
to public embarrassment for smoking in his own apartment. IMO.
What next?
I don't like how you dress??
I have my own house and I can do what I want, within reason,
including
smoking. I don't smoke but surely you can smoke in your own home
even if
it's rented.

I can do so much as I want here that I can keep pigs if I want to .
Haven't. That's one of the reasons why I don't want to move to a
bungalow.

Smoking in a house is not going to have an effect on someone who
doesn't enter the house. Smoking in an apartment can effect those in
adjoining apartments. The way you dress may offend, but it doesn't
hurt anybody. Second hand smoke not only can hurt, it can kill
Not if you smoke in your own house surely. If a little tiny bit of
smoke creeps out, it will not kill you or your neighbours.
I am so fed up of smokers being the new lepers.

When I'm within a few feet of someone smoking, I cough, choke, gag,
sneeze, can't breathe, but I doubt someone in another apartment could be
bothered enough by an occasional cigarette to cause that much trouble.

As a former smoker, who quit Many years ago, when I catch a whiff of smoke,
like in a patio of a restaurant,(where smoking may be allowed) I tend to
inhale ;-)

Sylvia

Smoking in a house is not going to have an effect on someone who doesn't
enter the house. Smoking in an apartment can effect those in adjoining
apartments. The way you dress may offend, but it doesn't hurt anybody.
Second hand smoke not only can hurt, it can kill.

It isn't just second hand smoke.

I once lived in an Edinburgh tenement with a smoker in the first
floor of the stair next door. He made a habit of smoking in bed.
He died and the next door stair was uninhabitable for a few weeks.
Our stair escaped with just reeking of smoke for months.

The fire station was only a minute's drive away. If it had been
much further, everybody in the stair next door would have died and
my flat would have gone.

Most fire deaths in the UK are caused by smoking. In a significant
proportion of them it isn't the smoker who dies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King%27s_Cross_fire

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On 3/23/2015 1:30 PM, Sylvia M wrote:

As a former smoker, who quit Many years ago, when I catch a whiff of smoke,
like in a patio of a restaurant,(where smoking may be allowed) I tend to
inhale ;-)

Sylvia


LOL I worked with a couple of people who were like that.

Jill

On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 5:48:12 AM UTC, Lord Bergamot wrote:
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When I'm within a few feet of someone smoking, I cough, choke, gag, sneeze, can't breathe,

And as a smoker I would like to spare you that.

But please bear in mind (in the UK) anyway I have been driven outside to smoke. If you think I prefer standing outside in gale force winds or rain to indulge in something I know is not good for me but whatever you say it's still legal....

I would be very happy to NEVER smoke outside if I could only be given space indoors to smoke that way non-smokers wouldn't have to put up with my smoke and I wouldn't have to freeze in mid winter

A non-smoking friend of mine whose asthma is aggravated by cigarette smoke hates the smoking ban. It means he had to map his route if he's walking anywhere to avoid the outsides of pubs/office blocks whereas before he could walk past without thinking about it as the smokers would all be inside

Lesley

Slave of the Fabulous Furballs

On Sunday, March 22, 2015 at 10:50:11 PM UTC, Christina Websell wrote:


I am so fed up of smokers being the new lepers.

Smokers and fat people- damnit I got the double!

Believe me it's now acceptable to insult fat people in public in a way that's unacceptable in any other area for example getting called an ugly fat bitch. Take out the word "fat" and replace it with a nasty racial insult or a homophobic one and you'd be in trouble but it's okay to insult fat people

Lesley

Slave of the Fabulous Furballs

On Friday, March 20, 2015 at 7:24:30 PM UTC, jmcquown wrote:
But I am a considerate smoker.

and many people have a problem with that concept. Many years ago I was trying to get into a game that the ref was holding at his home and he said he'd love to have me play but I smoke and his son has asthma so he couldn't invite me into his home. I was backed up by four rabid non-smokers who all said the same thing they'd had me in their houses and said I'd never smoked in their houses (Well I wouldn't would I? Their house their rules if someone came to my place and told me not to smoke I'd point out the same) if I'd wanted a cigarette I went outside to smoke but this guy was convinced I'd cross this threshold and light up then presumably blow smoke in his son's face

Lesley

Slave of the Fabulous Furballs

On 3/23/2015 4:39 PM, Lesley Madigan wrote:
On Friday, March 20, 2015 at 7:24:30 PM UTC, jmcquown wrote:
But I am a considerate smoker.

and many people have a problem with that concept. Many years ago I was trying to get into a game that the ref was holding at his home and he said he'd love to have me play but I smoke and his son has asthma so he couldn't invite me into his home. I was backed up by four rabid non-smokers who all said the same thing they'd had me in their houses and said I'd never smoked in their houses (Well I wouldn't would I? Their house their rules if someone came to my place and told me not to smoke I'd point out the same) if I'd wanted a cigarette I went outside to smoke but this guy was convinced I'd cross this threshold and light up then presumably blow smoke in his son's face

Lesley

Slave of the Fabulous Furballs


You may be misjudging him. I used to work in an office. Our area had
three cubicles, and I was out in the open. One door from our area led
outside. The other led to more offices, including that of the vice
president. One day I had been outside and came back into our area. By
the time I got to my desk my hay fever was acting up, and I could smell
the smoke very strongly. I asked and, sure enough, the vice president
had just walked through our office. There was enough of the smoke smell
on his clothes that he left some of it behind. The only way you could
guarantee that his son wouldn't be harmed would be if you showered and
put on all clean clothes before going to his house, and refrained from
smoking, even outside, while you were there.

Whenever I talk to a smoker, I have to stand several feet away, because
they reek of stale smoke.

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