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#351
October 13th 03, 08:55 PM
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Lauren, don't bother. Just drink your coffee and feed your cats their
*very* "unhealthy" food and be done with it...  PawsForThought wrote: From: (GAUBSTER2) Foods that contain nutrient profiles established for growth can also be labeled "all life stages". Foods that have nutrient profiles established for growth aren't neccessarily appropriate for adult and senior cats. Maybe I'm missing something, but you're saying in the first sentence "nutrient profiles established for growth can also be labeled "all life stages" Then, in the second sentence, you're saying that foods established for growth (according to you that means it can be labeled "all life stages") aren't approrpriate for adult and senior cats. Wouldn't all life stages be for "all life stages", i.e. *all* cats? It's too early for this. I need some coffee. ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm 
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#352
October 13th 03, 09:42 PM
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In article ,
"Karen M." wrote: There is no difference between all life stage and kitten. The AAFCO requires that in order to use the ALS label, the manufacturer must pass muster for the most stringent of the various life-stage standards: the kitten ones. AFAICT the decision whether to put one label or the other boils down to marketing. For the testing trials, no. What I'm saying though is that companies like SD make a kitten food with *deliberately* higher amounts of protein , and lower that protein levels for adults, whereas companies like W & F do not. Therefore, IMO, it's a bit disingenuous to compare these two different foods. Just my $.02!  Well, sure, I buy your argument that--assuming you trust that the manufacturer has your pets' best interest in mind--your average "kitten" food is formulated for kittens, and your average "all life stage" food is either for all life stages (because kittens and adults eat the same ration in their natural state) or is intended for adult consumption but has the ALS label for marketing purposes. But when it comes to people deinigrating the suitability of an ALS food for members of a certain life stage, I have to draw back to the *requirements* for labeling a food for ALS. And if dropping the ALS label means making a food that causes anemia in baby kittens, thanks but I'll stake my chances on overnutrition! -Alison in OH
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#353
October 13th 03, 09:42 PM
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In article ,
"Karen M." wrote: There is no difference between all life stage and kitten. The AAFCO requires that in order to use the ALS label, the manufacturer must pass muster for the most stringent of the various life-stage standards: the kitten ones. AFAICT the decision whether to put one label or the other boils down to marketing. For the testing trials, no. What I'm saying though is that companies like SD make a kitten food with *deliberately* higher amounts of protein , and lower that protein levels for adults, whereas companies like W & F do not. Therefore, IMO, it's a bit disingenuous to compare these two different foods. Just my $.02! Well, sure, I buy your argument that--assuming you trust that the manufacturer has your pets' best interest in mind--your average "kitten" food is formulated for kittens, and your average "all life stage" food is either for all life stages (because kittens and adults eat the same ration in their natural state) or is intended for adult consumption but has the ALS label for marketing purposes. But when it comes to people deinigrating the suitability of an ALS food for members of a certain life stage, I have to draw back to the *requirements* for labeling a food for ALS. And if dropping the ALS label means making a food that causes anemia in baby kittens, thanks but I'll stake my chances on overnutrition! -Alison in OH
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#355
October 13th 03, 11:35 PM
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From: "Karen M."
Lauren, don't bother. Just drink your coffee and feed your cats their *very* "unhealthy" food and be done with it... I know, LOL, it's totally insane trying to figure out anything Gaubster says. It was making me dizzy! PawsForThought wrote: From: (GAUBSTER2) Foods that contain nutrient profiles established for growth can also be labeled "all life stages". Foods that have nutrient profiles established for growth aren't neccessarily appropriate for adult and senior cats. Maybe I'm missing something, but you're saying in the first sentence "nutrient profiles established for growth can also be labeled "all life stages" Then, in the second sentence, you're saying that foods established for growth (according to you that means it can be labeled "all life stages") aren't approrpriate for adult and senior cats. Wouldn't all life stages be for "all life stages", i.e. *all* cats? It's too early for this. I need some coffee. ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm
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#356
October 14th 03, 12:32 AM
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Alison Perera wrote: In article , "Karen M." wrote: There is no difference between all life stage and kitten. The AAFCO requires that in order to use the ALS label, the manufacturer must pass muster for the most stringent of the various life-stage standards: the kitten ones. AFAICT the decision whether to put one label or the other boils down to marketing. For the testing trials, no. What I'm saying though is that companies like SD make a kitten food with *deliberately* higher amounts of protein , and lower that protein levels for adults, whereas companies like W & F do not. Therefore, IMO, it's a bit disingenuous to compare these two different foods. Just my $.02! Well, sure, I buy your argument that--assuming you trust that the manufacturer has your pets' best interest in mind--your average "kitten" food is formulated for kittens, and your average "all life stage" food is either for all life stages (because kittens and adults eat the same ration in their natural state) or is intended for adult consumption but has the ALS label for marketing purposes. But when it comes to people deinigrating the suitability of an ALS food for members of a certain life stage, I have to draw back to the *requirements* for labeling a food for ALS. And if dropping the ALS label means making a food that causes anemia in baby kittens, thanks but I'll stake my chances on overnutrition! By the way, my previous last sentence was not referring to you, just in case you took it that way. I was referring to Steve and G2 wanting to compare protein and carb levels between SD kitten foods and ALS foods. But as for *your* last statement, I completely agree. -Alison in OH
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#357
October 14th 03, 12:32 AM
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Alison Perera wrote: In article , "Karen M." wrote: There is no difference between all life stage and kitten. The AAFCO requires that in order to use the ALS label, the manufacturer must pass muster for the most stringent of the various life-stage standards: the kitten ones. AFAICT the decision whether to put one label or the other boils down to marketing. For the testing trials, no. What I'm saying though is that companies like SD make a kitten food with *deliberately* higher amounts of protein , and lower that protein levels for adults, whereas companies like W & F do not. Therefore, IMO, it's a bit disingenuous to compare these two different foods. Just my $.02! Well, sure, I buy your argument that--assuming you trust that the manufacturer has your pets' best interest in mind--your average "kitten" food is formulated for kittens, and your average "all life stage" food is either for all life stages (because kittens and adults eat the same ration in their natural state) or is intended for adult consumption but has the ALS label for marketing purposes. But when it comes to people deinigrating the suitability of an ALS food for members of a certain life stage, I have to draw back to the *requirements* for labeling a food for ALS. And if dropping the ALS label means making a food that causes anemia in baby kittens, thanks but I'll stake my chances on overnutrition! By the way, my previous last sentence was not referring to you, just in case you took it that way. I was referring to Steve and G2 wanting to compare protein and carb levels between SD kitten foods and ALS foods. But as for *your* last statement, I completely agree. -Alison in OH
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#358
October 14th 03, 12:37 AM
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Maybe I'm missing something, but you're saying in the first sentence
"nutrient profiles established for growth can also be labeled "all life stages" Then, in the second sentence, you're saying that foods established for growth (according to you that means it can be labeled "all life stages") aren't approrpriate for adult and senior cats. Wouldn't all life stages be for "all life stages", i.e. *all* cats? No, for once you got it right, Lauren! All life stage foods have nutrient levels that are established for kittens only. Adult and especially senior cats do NOT have the same nutrient requirements as kittens. Therefore you run the risk of feeding adult and senior cats levels of nutrients that are TOO high when feeding an "all life stage" food. All life stages is a terminology that implies it's appropriate for all cats, but really means that it can sustain all life stages because it met the most demanding nutrient phase of a cat's life--the growth/kitten phase. Now we're getting somewhere w/ you!
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#359
October 14th 03, 12:37 AM
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Maybe I'm missing something, but you're saying in the first sentence
"nutrient profiles established for growth can also be labeled "all life stages" Then, in the second sentence, you're saying that foods established for growth (according to you that means it can be labeled "all life stages") aren't approrpriate for adult and senior cats. Wouldn't all life stages be for "all life stages", i.e. *all* cats? No, for once you got it right, Lauren! All life stage foods have nutrient levels that are established for kittens only. Adult and especially senior cats do NOT have the same nutrient requirements as kittens. Therefore you run the risk of feeding adult and senior cats levels of nutrients that are TOO high when feeding an "all life stage" food. All life stages is a terminology that implies it's appropriate for all cats, but really means that it can sustain all life stages because it met the most demanding nutrient phase of a cat's life--the growth/kitten phase. Now we're getting somewhere w/ you!
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#360
October 14th 03, 12:38 AM
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