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December 26th 04, 11:06 PM
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Double standard
Why is it that someone can post a very long rant against "America-bashing",
and get all kinds of supportive, you-go-girl, "me-too" posts in response, and not one single person says "Hey, this isn't a political newsgroup, this is a NICE forum, can't you keep the political rants off this ng?" (I am not implying that, myself, by the way.) But if someone has a different point of view - not necessarily a "bashing" point of view, just a critical one, then suddenly it's not "nice" to be talking about politics here. I'm starting to realize that the people on this ng don't really feel that political posts are inappropriate or unwelcome here. It's just that certain points of view are not welcome here. A double standard, that's all it is. Joyce 
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#3
December 26th 04, 11:30 PM
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wrote in message
... Why is it that someone can post a very long rant against "America-bashing", and get all kinds of supportive, you-go-girl, "me-too" posts in response, and not one single person says "Hey, this isn't a political newsgroup, this is a NICE forum, can't you keep the political rants off this ng?" (I am not implying that, myself, by the way.) But if someone has a different point of view - not necessarily a "bashing" point of view, just a critical one, then suddenly it's not "nice" to be talking about politics here. I'm starting to realize that the people on this ng don't really feel that political posts are inappropriate or unwelcome here. It's just that certain points of view are not welcome here. A double standard, that's all it is. Joyce I apologize, Joyce. I really shouldn't have posted an off-topic political rant. But it's not as though I had absolutely no reason for doing so. In my defense, I was reacting to another post that was extremely derogative and on top of that months and months of posts that have been derogative. The newsgroup has been quite open to off-topic rants in the past, so I didn't feel entirely unwelcome in protesting a growing trend, not just in RL but here in rpca as well. If this group did keep political rants off then there would have been no reason for my particular rant. The problem is that America bashing has become so profound and so pervasive that people don't even react to it as a political rant all its own - they just assume it's OK to denigrate an entire nation of people and get no adverse reaction from doing so. Therefore, I don't entirely understand the "double standard "remark, since I've been seeing quite a few posts that are politically slanted in a quite different way than what I expressed in my "rant" - which, again, was the entire reason for my "rant". Hugs, CatNipped
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#4
December 27th 04, 12:39 AM
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... Why is it that someone can post a very long rant against "America-bashing", and get all kinds of supportive, you-go-girl, "me-too" posts in response, and not one single person says "Hey, this isn't a political newsgroup, this is a NICE forum, can't you keep the political rants off this ng?" (I am not implying that, myself, by the way.) But if someone has a different point of view - not necessarily a "bashing" point of view, just a critical one, then suddenly it's not "nice" to be talking about politics here. I'm starting to realize that the people on this ng don't really feel that political posts are inappropriate or unwelcome here. It's just that certain points of view are not welcome here. A double standard, that's all it is. Joyce This conversation has made me think about my inability to get folk to always do what I would like them to do and I think it right to share my thoughts. As a result of one of the lessons I've learnt while receiving help to overcome alcohol dependency, I have come to better understand the limit of my power over people. In the context of postings to NGs, when I accept my powerlessness/inability to stop anyone from posting anything that they want to say and exercise my power of choice over what to read, then I am doing the best I can to maintain my serenity and to better enjoy the time I spend on them. Sheenah
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#5
December 27th 04, 02:01 AM
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On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 00:39:10 -0000, "Sheenah"
wrote: This conversation has made me think about my inability to get folk to always do what I would like them to do and I think it right to share my thoughts. As a result of one of the lessons I've learnt while receiving help to overcome alcohol dependency, I have come to better understand the limit of my power over people. In the context of postings to NGs, when I accept my powerlessness/inability to stop anyone from posting anything that they want to say and exercise my power of choice over what to read, then I am doing the best I can to maintain my serenity and to better enjoy the time I spend on them. Sheenah Well said Sheenah. Sometimes it is tempting to take NG messages personally, but after a time I remember that they are not directed at me or my surroundings/country/occupation and are simply an expression of someone else's state of mind / opinions / culture / whatever and should be approached as an interesting aspect of another person's personality rather than a putative attack on myself. You just expressed all of that much more eloquently. OB cats: I bought the kits a catnip plant for Christmas - one growing in a pot. I brought it into the house to show them, with some trepidation (what if they were violent "drunks"?), but all three sniffed it and ignored it. [hrumpf!] I'll let the plant grow a bit and will then harvest some and dry it. Maybe they'll be more interested in the dried leaves. OTOH, they thought the paper that was cast off after unwrapping our hoomin presents was the *Best Thing Ever*! tee hee - we haven't tidied up because the snippets are having such fun in the debris! (Ted is, as usual, sleeping) Tish
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#6
December 27th 04, 02:18 AM
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"Tish Silberbauer" wrote in message ... I bought the kits a catnip plant for Christmas - one growing in a pot. I brought it into the house to show them, with some trepidation (what if they were violent "drunks"?), but all three sniffed it and ignored it. [hrumpf!] Tish, I dare you to leave it with them overnight :^) OTOH, they thought the paper that was cast off after unwrapping our hoomin presents was the *Best Thing Ever*! tee hee - we haven't tidied up because the snippets are having such fun in the debris! (Ted is, as usual, sleeping) Could they have more ? Dee Dee's bored with ours - but not with the empty boxes :^ Sheenah
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#7
December 27th 04, 02:26 AM
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On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 02:18:40 -0000, "Sheenah"
wrote: "Tish Silberbauer" wrote in message .. . I bought the kits a catnip plant for Christmas - one growing in a pot. I brought it into the house to show them, with some trepidation (what if they were violent "drunks"?), but all three sniffed it and ignored it. [hrumpf!] Tish, I dare you to leave it with them overnight :^) The poor wee plant is only a few inches tall, so I daren't leave it where they can get at it until it's managed to grow a bit :^) OTOH, they thought the paper that was cast off after unwrapping our hoomin presents was the *Best Thing Ever*! tee hee - we haven't tidied up because the snippets are having such fun in the debris! (Ted is, as usual, sleeping) Could they have more ? Dee Dee's bored with ours - but not with the empty boxes :^ Sheenah We received several boxes through the post (one advantage of having a geographically dispersed family), so the kits had both paper and boxes to play with and, joy of joys, paper *in* boxes!! I suppose we'll have to tidy up soon as we're having a few friends over here on Thursday, but in the mean time we sit and giggle at Spock playing "king of the castle" from inside a box with Persephone storming the battlements from the outside, then a quick switch and reversed roles. Spock also loves tunnelling and seems to derive endless joy from burrowing into a bag full of paper, so he can "bury" himself in it and ambush Persphone as she wanders by. In most of their games, Spock is the Evil Genius and Persphone is the rube, although she's always willing to Give It A Go, even if she doesn't quite understand the rules. Tish
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#8
December 27th 04, 04:53 AM
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... Why is it that someone can post a very long rant against "America-bashing", and get all kinds of supportive, you-go-girl, "me-too" posts in response, and not one single person says "Hey, this isn't a political newsgroup, this is a NICE forum, can't you keep the political rants off this ng?" (I am not implying that, myself, by the way.) But if someone has a different point of view - not necessarily a "bashing" point of view, just a critical one, then suddenly it's not "nice" to be talking about politics here. I'm starting to realize that the people on this ng don't really feel that political posts are inappropriate or unwelcome here. It's just that certain points of view are not welcome here. A double standard, that's all it is. Joyce --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.799 / Virus Database: 543 - Release Date: 19/11/04
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#9
December 27th 04, 05:16 AM
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wrote in message
... Why is it that someone can post a very long rant against "America-bashing", and get all kinds of supportive, you-go-girl, "me-too" posts in response, and not one single person says "Hey, this isn't a political newsgroup, this is a NICE forum, can't you keep the political rants off this ng?" (I am not implying that, myself, by the way.) But if someone has a different point of view - not necessarily a "bashing" point of view, just a critical one, then suddenly it's not "nice" to be talking about politics here. I'm starting to realize that the people on this ng don't really feel that political posts are inappropriate or unwelcome here. It's just that certain points of view are not welcome here. A double standard, that's all it is. The way I see it, and this is just my opinion on this (I could well be very wrong) is that political posts and other posts that put people down, attack people, insult people, upset people and are in other ways negative are not popular here. Political posts that are supportive, uplifting, and generally positive in tone are, if not welcome, then tolerated. The original post that started this discussion contained a passage that was very negative towards a set of people who are well represented in this group. The group responded in a positive manne, pointing out the good things that that set of people also have. The rest of the post that started it - which was discussing the merits of a particular film - did not attract the flammage, and in fact all agreed that the trailers of the film misrepresented the content of the film. It was the rest of the post that flung insults towards a large proportion of this group that caused the controversy. Simply put, this is a group that holds supporting each other in very high regard. I think most of the group consider each other part of the family, we more than just posters to Usenet, we are a community ;p. We do not like anything to interfere with that intimacy. Posting insults at any group of people to which any of us might belong is dangerous, and not well tolerated. After all, most people don't like things that cause our friends hurt or upset. Thus it is I will refrain from insulting, for example, Democrat voters, for as much as I may disagree with the Democrat party, I have no quarrel with any of my Democrat voting friends, and to blanket insult Democrats would be to insult them too. We don't have to agree on everythign to be friends, but we do have to have respect for each other an each other's opinions. Friends don't insult each other. Yowie --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.799 / Virus Database: 543 - Release Date: 19/11/04
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#10
December 27th 04, 06:24 AM
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Off-topic troll.
Joyce is a long-time friend and poster on this group. She is not a troll. Sherry
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