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dh@. wrote:
On Sat, 07 May 2005 17:17:45 GMT, "Joanne" wrote: dh@. wrote in message ... On Thu, 05 May 2005 21:03:59 GMT, Rudy Canoza wrote: Animals experience disappointment Goo. Almost any child with a dog could tell you about it. It doesn't mean that all animals can, but it does mean some of them can. Definitely true of parrots. Billy, my Severe Macaw makes a disappointed vocal when he wants to come out to play and I have to walk away without him. It's not a scream for attention; it's a quick, low vocalization of disappointment without doubt. It's not too surprising, though I had wondered if birds experience it. They don't. She is anthropomorphizing. |
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dh@. wrote:
On Sat, 07 May 2005 16:52:02 GMT, Rudy Canoza wrote: dh@. wrote: On Thu, 05 May 2005 21:03:59 GMT, Rudy Canoza wrote: wrote: Yes they can. I did write that, and it's true. You write lots of ****, virtually all of it false. You ****ing bonehead. Animals experience disappointment No, they don't. __________________________________________________ _______ The writings of Charles Darwin on the web by John van Wyhe Ph.D. [...] I formerly possessed a large dog, who, like every other dog, was much pleased to go out walking. He showed his pleasure by trotting gravely before me with high steps, head much raised, moderately erected ears, and tail carried aloft but not stiffly. Not far from my house a path branches off to the right, leading to the hot-house, which I used often to visit for a few moments, to look at my experimental plants. This was always a great disappointment to the dog, Projection, pure and simple. |
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On Sun, 08 May 2005 17:52:37 GMT, Rudy Canoza wrote:
dh@. wrote: On Sat, 07 May 2005 17:31:07 GMT, Rudy Canoza wrote: Joanne wrote: dh@. wrote in message ... On Thu, 05 May 2005 21:03:59 GMT, Rudy Canoza wrote: Animals experience disappointment Goo. Almost any child with a dog could tell you about it. It doesn't mean that all animals can, but it does mean some of them can. Definitely true of parrots. Billy, my Severe Macaw makes a disappointed vocal when he wants to come out to play and I have to walk away without him. It's not a scream for attention; it's a quick, low vocalization of disappointment without doubt. Bull****. She is quite likely to be a good and decent person That's lovely. She still said some bull****, though. You are projecting. It's called anthropomorphization: the projection of human characteristics onto non-human things. LOL!!! For one thing Goo ****wit, we have been through this befo YOU are the goober. "Goober" is an insult and slur against stupid ****witted southern rednecks, and YOU are the stupid ****witted southern redneck. YOU are the Goober. Don't make this mistake again. Goo is short for Goober. Goober is short for Goobernicus. You are Goobernicus Gonad. You "think" you are a genius and know everthing, so you don't try to learn, so you're really ignorant, and ignorant because you're too stupid to know it. you are the LAST person who could possibly have a clue about something like that No, ****wit. I am the one who knows about this. You don't even know what the hell we're talking about. Goobernicus. You didn't even know the word "anthropomorphization" until I told it to you, and it's doubtful you even really know what it means now. Some animals experience disappointment, and you are too stupid to realise it. Recognition of the fact is not anthropomorphism. This fantasy however, is: "it were unseemly for me, who am to-day a pig, and to-morrow but ham and sausages, to dispute with a master of ethics, yet to my porcine intellect..." I should have been keeping a list of your lies that I have exposed over the years. It would be huge. Here again I'll expose you as a liar, with this example of me pointing out that your "AR" fantasy is an incredible example of anthropomorphism: __________________________________________________ _______ From: Subject: exposing Jonathan Ball & Dutch as "ARAs" Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 20:23:05 GMT we now have absolute proof that both Dutch and the Gonad are "ARAs" who accept the beliefs of one of the earliest fathers of the "AR" concept, and one of the earliest promoters of vegetarianism. That early father of "AR" was Henry S. Salt. Here is absolute proof that they both accept Salt's beliefs ....this particular incredibly anthropomorphic example is from a fantasy that they consider to be the position of pigs: ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ It would appear that you learned the term from me, and are now trying to apply it to a situation that is not anthropomorphic. I certainly hope no one who reads your lies is stupid enough to believe them Goo. |
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On Sun, 08 May 2005 18:00:26 GMT, Rudy Canoza wrote:
dh@. wrote: On Sat, 07 May 2005 16:52:02 GMT, Rudy Canoza wrote: dh@. wrote: On Thu, 05 May 2005 21:03:59 GMT, Rudy Canoza wrote: wrote: Yes they can. I did write that, and it's true. You write lots of ****, virtually all of it false. You ****ing bonehead. Animals experience disappointment No, they don't. __________________________________________________ _______ The writings of Charles Darwin on the web by John van Wyhe Ph.D. [...] I formerly possessed a large dog, who, like every other dog, was much pleased to go out walking. He showed his pleasure by trotting gravely before me with high steps, head much raised, moderately erected ears, and tail carried aloft but not stiffly. Not far from my house a path branches off to the right, leading to the hot-house, which I used often to visit for a few moments, to look at my experimental plants. This was always a great disappointment to the dog, Projection, pure and simple. LOL!!! Goobernicus Gonad says that Darwin was projecting. This is classic! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL....! |
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dh@. wrote in message ... On Sat, 7 May 2005 11:08:24 -0700, "Dutch" wrote: It's irrelevant. Farming an animal for food disqualifies you from claiming a moral bonus from the fact that the animal "experiences life". No it doesn't. Yes it does. The only feeling akin to morality you are permitted to experience is gratitude towards that animal for losing it's life for you . You don't get to kill and eat them and also feel smug that you 'allowed them the privilege of life'. I can feel good that animals get to experience a decent life Yes, you can be happy that they have a decent life rather than a indecent life, not that they "get to experience life". This kind of "double-dipping" is intuitively distateful to anyone with a moral compass, something you evidently lack. So do you apparently, because you think you get a moral bonus for being beyond inconsiderate, to the point that you OPPOSE consideration of what the billions of animals get out of the arrangement. I vehemently oppose consideration of what animals "get out of the arrangement". What a disgusting turn of phrase, "the arrangement.." And you do it for the purely selfish reason that it disturbs you that people raise animals for food. No, it disturbs me that there are people that are not satisfied to simply exploit animals for food and other products, but demand a moral gold star for it as well. |
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dh@. wrote:
On Sun, 08 May 2005 17:52:37 GMT, Rudy Canoza wrote: dh@. wrote: On Sat, 07 May 2005 17:31:07 GMT, Rudy Canoza wrote: Joanne wrote: dh@. wrote in message ... On Thu, 05 May 2005 21:03:59 GMT, Rudy Canoza wrote: Animals experience disappointment Goo. Almost any child with a dog could tell you about it. It doesn't mean that all animals can, but it does mean some of them can. Definitely true of parrots. Billy, my Severe Macaw makes a disappointed vocal when he wants to come out to play and I have to walk away without him. It's not a scream for attention; it's a quick, low vocalization of disappointment without doubt. Bull****. She is quite likely to be a good and decent person That's lovely. She still said some bull****, though. You are projecting. It's called anthropomorphization: the projection of human characteristics onto non-human things. LOL!!! For one thing Goo ****wit, we have been through this befo YOU are the goober. "Goober" is an insult and slur against stupid ****witted southern rednecks, and YOU are the stupid ****witted southern redneck. YOU are the Goober. Don't make this mistake again. Goo is short for Goober. And YOU are the only Goober here, ****wit. It is an insult aimed at stupid, ****witted rednecks: aimed at YOU, in other words. You are the Goober. you are the LAST person who could possibly have a clue about something like that No, ****wit. I am the one who knows about this. You don't even know what the hell we're talking about. I know EXACTLY what we're discussing, Goober****wit. You didn't even know the word "anthropomorphization" until I told it to you, and it's doubtful you even really know what it means now. Some animals experience disappointment NO animals except for humans experience disappointment. |
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dh@. wrote:
On Sun, 08 May 2005 18:00:26 GMT, Rudy Canoza wrote: dh@. wrote: On Sat, 07 May 2005 16:52:02 GMT, Rudy Canoza wrote: dh@. wrote: On Thu, 05 May 2005 21:03:59 GMT, Rudy Canoza wrote: wrote: Yes they can. I did write that, and it's true. You write lots of ****, virtually all of it false. You ****ing bonehead. Animals experience disappointment No, they don't. _______________________________________________ __________ The writings of Charles Darwin on the web by John van Wyhe Ph.D. [...] I formerly possessed a large dog, who, like every other dog, was much pleased to go out walking. He showed his pleasure by trotting gravely before me with high steps, head much raised, moderately erected ears, and tail carried aloft but not stiffly. Not far from my house a path branches off to the right, leading to the hot-house, which I used often to visit for a few moments, to look at my experimental plants. This was always a great disappointment to the dog, Projection, pure and simple. LOL!!! What's funny, Goober****wit? |
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On Sun, 8 May 2005 12:07:29 -0700, "Dutch" wrote:
dh@. wrote in message ... On Sat, 7 May 2005 11:08:24 -0700, "Dutch" wrote: It's irrelevant. Farming an animal for food disqualifies you from claiming a moral bonus from the fact that the animal "experiences life". No it doesn't. Yes it does. The only feeling akin to morality you are permitted to experience LOL! That is hilarious coming from a purely selfish ass like yours. is gratitude towards that animal for losing it's life for you . You don't get to kill and eat them and also feel smug that you 'allowed them the privilege of life'. I can feel good that animals get to experience a decent life Yes, you can be happy that they have a decent life rather than a indecent life, not that they "get to experience life". This kind of "double-dipping" is intuitively distateful to anyone with a moral compass, something you evidently lack. So do you apparently, because you think you get a moral bonus for being beyond inconsiderate, to the point that you OPPOSE consideration of what the billions of animals get out of the arrangement. I vehemently oppose consideration of what animals "get out of the arrangement". What a disgusting turn of phrase, "the arrangement.." And you do it for the purely selfish reason that it disturbs you that people raise animals for food. No, it disturbs me that there are people that are not satisfied to simply exploit animals for food and other products, but demand a moral gold star for it as well. It disturbs the hell out of you when someone considers the animals, because you only care about yourself. |
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On Sun, 08 May 2005 20:15:57 GMT, Rudy Canoza wrote:
NO animals except for humans experience disappointment. We've been here before Goo. If animals can experience disappointment, then you have no clue about reality. Some animals do experience disappointment, so you have no clue about reality. |
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dh@. wrote:
On Sun, 8 May 2005 12:07:29 -0700, "Dutch" wrote: No, it disturbs me that there are people that are not satisfied to simply exploit animals for food and other products, but demand a moral gold star for it as well. It disturbs the hell out of you when someone considers the animals No, Goober****wit. It bothers him that you only pretend to consider the animals while desperately trying to rationalize something you do purely for your own self interest. |
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