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You are extraordinarily naive. And either you can't read or you are in
total denial. I'm neither. Neither am I paranoid, which you seem to be! By BRENT CURTIS Herald Staff A truck carrying cattle carcasses to a dog food factory Which pet food factory? Where? That is a rather generic sentence. When reporting the news, such general statements shouldn't be used. It is true that dead dogs and cats can be used for bone meal in fertilizer, but NOT in pet foods. Period. And there is a difference between cattle (beef) and dogs and cats being used in pet foods. Beef going to "a dog food factory" is somehow evil or wrong? Second: If you think that someone who works for a particular firm is totally free to express his own opinion, you've never worked in the real world. Oh please. Just because your personal experience went one way, doesn't mean it's that way all over. I'm sorry you had a bad experience, but that isn't the rule everywhere. Don't ever think that you can work for a firm and NOT tout it's products publicly and still stay employed by that firm. That is why you should also not believe any research funded by industry. NOW I SEE. I guess you don't believe there is such a thing as freedom of speech. You're another one of these people who chooses not to believe peer-reviewed, published research. I suppose you just don't know how that whole process works. Perhaps Steve Crane will run through the whole process for you sometime. Basically you open yourself up to your competitors to try and find something wrong w/ your research. If it holds up to everyone's scrutiny, it is valid. So yes, you can believe most research funded by industry. Perhaps there are some exceptions to that, but generally speaking, in a free society (such as here in the US) private industry funds research to find the BEST (in most cases, moral) way to supply a product or service that consumers want/need. It seems you would rather believe that there is some insidious process that is keeping everybody down and not allowing the "truth" to come out. DUH! Indeed! |
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You are extraordinarily naive. And either you can't read or you are in
total denial. I'm neither. Neither am I paranoid, which you seem to be! By BRENT CURTIS Herald Staff A truck carrying cattle carcasses to a dog food factory Which pet food factory? Where? That is a rather generic sentence. When reporting the news, such general statements shouldn't be used. It is true that dead dogs and cats can be used for bone meal in fertilizer, but NOT in pet foods. Period. And there is a difference between cattle (beef) and dogs and cats being used in pet foods. Beef going to "a dog food factory" is somehow evil or wrong? Second: If you think that someone who works for a particular firm is totally free to express his own opinion, you've never worked in the real world. Oh please. Just because your personal experience went one way, doesn't mean it's that way all over. I'm sorry you had a bad experience, but that isn't the rule everywhere. Don't ever think that you can work for a firm and NOT tout it's products publicly and still stay employed by that firm. That is why you should also not believe any research funded by industry. NOW I SEE. I guess you don't believe there is such a thing as freedom of speech. You're another one of these people who chooses not to believe peer-reviewed, published research. I suppose you just don't know how that whole process works. Perhaps Steve Crane will run through the whole process for you sometime. Basically you open yourself up to your competitors to try and find something wrong w/ your research. If it holds up to everyone's scrutiny, it is valid. So yes, you can believe most research funded by industry. Perhaps there are some exceptions to that, but generally speaking, in a free society (such as here in the US) private industry funds research to find the BEST (in most cases, moral) way to supply a product or service that consumers want/need. It seems you would rather believe that there is some insidious process that is keeping everybody down and not allowing the "truth" to come out. DUH! Indeed! |
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Nice try, Alison--but there is nothing in there that has anything to do w/
that truck going to a pet food facility. Besides, this only "happened" a couple of days ago. The incident in question is part of an urban legend that supposedly took place months/years/decades (take your pick) ago. I've heard this same statement years ago. Either I can tell the future, or you're taking events that are totally unrelated and using them to try to prove your point. Someone beat me to the punch but I'd be happy to quote the same passage. "A truck carrying cattle carcasses to a dog food factory ... " I do believe that you stated "Diseased parts aren't used" and "These things DON'T happen in the US." 2 things: you're taking what I said out of context and combining them. Let me correct the record. How do you know that the diseased parts aren't CUT OUT? Because that is what happens. It's the law. Cats and dogs ARE NOT USED IN PET FOODS IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!! They are used in fertilizer. That's what I was referring to when I said these things don't happen in the US. Another thing: the truck is carrying cattle (beef) to the "dog food factory"?? Where are all of the dead dogs and cats?? Hmm? Nope, not made up. Nasty, putrid, dead, diseased, and decaying meat products are really and truly disposed of in our precious companion pets' digestive systems. Really? Perhaps you would like to blow the industry wide open then? It's simply your opinion and nothing else. Some of us trust Hill's when they claim not to use the loopholes in ingredient definitions for things like "by-products". Some companys (like Hill's) make foods based on the nutrient profiles that are best for the animal. They then use the best quality ingredients to get there. Still others would prefer to trust smaller companies that grow based on a solid reputation of promoting health, and believe them when they say that the ingredients they use are wholesome enough for you and me to eat. You can believe whomever you want--I will go with proven successes and companies w/ proven track records. Most of those "smaller" companies that you refer to don't provide the nutrition that's best for the individual animal--they provide one size fits all foods. And yet others, jaded and disillusioned, have discovered that perhaps the best way to ensure the quality of their pets' food is to pick it out in the grocery store themselves. ....that aren't neccessarily nutritionally balanced. But hey, to each his own! Right? Have a good day! |
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Nice try, Alison--but there is nothing in there that has anything to do w/
that truck going to a pet food facility. Besides, this only "happened" a couple of days ago. The incident in question is part of an urban legend that supposedly took place months/years/decades (take your pick) ago. I've heard this same statement years ago. Either I can tell the future, or you're taking events that are totally unrelated and using them to try to prove your point. Someone beat me to the punch but I'd be happy to quote the same passage. "A truck carrying cattle carcasses to a dog food factory ... " I do believe that you stated "Diseased parts aren't used" and "These things DON'T happen in the US." 2 things: you're taking what I said out of context and combining them. Let me correct the record. How do you know that the diseased parts aren't CUT OUT? Because that is what happens. It's the law. Cats and dogs ARE NOT USED IN PET FOODS IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!! They are used in fertilizer. That's what I was referring to when I said these things don't happen in the US. Another thing: the truck is carrying cattle (beef) to the "dog food factory"?? Where are all of the dead dogs and cats?? Hmm? Nope, not made up. Nasty, putrid, dead, diseased, and decaying meat products are really and truly disposed of in our precious companion pets' digestive systems. Really? Perhaps you would like to blow the industry wide open then? It's simply your opinion and nothing else. Some of us trust Hill's when they claim not to use the loopholes in ingredient definitions for things like "by-products". Some companys (like Hill's) make foods based on the nutrient profiles that are best for the animal. They then use the best quality ingredients to get there. Still others would prefer to trust smaller companies that grow based on a solid reputation of promoting health, and believe them when they say that the ingredients they use are wholesome enough for you and me to eat. You can believe whomever you want--I will go with proven successes and companies w/ proven track records. Most of those "smaller" companies that you refer to don't provide the nutrition that's best for the individual animal--they provide one size fits all foods. And yet others, jaded and disillusioned, have discovered that perhaps the best way to ensure the quality of their pets' food is to pick it out in the grocery store themselves. ....that aren't neccessarily nutritionally balanced. But hey, to each his own! Right? Have a good day! |
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Gaubster2 wrote:
Once again, this bears repeating--IT IS AGAINST THE LAW TO USE DOGS AND CATS IN PET FOODS IN THE UNITED STATES. No, it's not. I suggest you do your homework before you make yourself look silly again. There is no federal law that prohibits the use of dogs and cats in pet foods. http://www.kmov.com/news/AllmanRepor...8.648e380.html http://www.kmov.com/news/AllmanRepor...9.64d98cc.html http://www.kmov.com/news/AllmanRepor...8.653ba1b.html http://www.kmov.com/news/AllmanRepor...5.659bca5.html Megan "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray |
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Gaubster2 wrote:
Once again, this bears repeating--IT IS AGAINST THE LAW TO USE DOGS AND CATS IN PET FOODS IN THE UNITED STATES. No, it's not. I suggest you do your homework before you make yourself look silly again. There is no federal law that prohibits the use of dogs and cats in pet foods. http://www.kmov.com/news/AllmanRepor...8.648e380.html http://www.kmov.com/news/AllmanRepor...9.64d98cc.html http://www.kmov.com/news/AllmanRepor...8.653ba1b.html http://www.kmov.com/news/AllmanRepor...5.659bca5.html Megan "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray |
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Thank you Megan.
Of course, Gaubster will immediately counter that "this is just one source" and "give me some solid proof" and his/her other inane rebuttals. wrote in message ... Gaubster2 wrote: Once again, this bears repeating--IT IS AGAINST THE LAW TO USE DOGS AND CATS IN PET FOODS IN THE UNITED STATES. No, it's not. I suggest you do your homework before you make yourself look silly again. There is no federal law that prohibits the use of dogs and cats in pet foods. http://www.kmov.com/news/AllmanRepor...8.648e380.html http://www.kmov.com/news/AllmanRepor...9.64d98cc.html http://www.kmov.com/news/AllmanRepor...8.653ba1b.html http://www.kmov.com/news/AllmanRepor...5.659bca5.html Megan "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray |
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Thank you Megan.
Of course, Gaubster will immediately counter that "this is just one source" and "give me some solid proof" and his/her other inane rebuttals. wrote in message ... Gaubster2 wrote: Once again, this bears repeating--IT IS AGAINST THE LAW TO USE DOGS AND CATS IN PET FOODS IN THE UNITED STATES. No, it's not. I suggest you do your homework before you make yourself look silly again. There is no federal law that prohibits the use of dogs and cats in pet foods. http://www.kmov.com/news/AllmanRepor...8.648e380.html http://www.kmov.com/news/AllmanRepor...9.64d98cc.html http://www.kmov.com/news/AllmanRepor...8.653ba1b.html http://www.kmov.com/news/AllmanRepor...5.659bca5.html Megan "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray |
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From: "Betsy" -0
Date: 8/16/03 7:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time Message-id: Thank you Megan. Of course, Gaubster will immediately counter that "this is just one source" and "give me some solid proof" and his/her other inane rebuttals. See my previous post. I can't help you if you don't want to know the truth. Try being analytical instead of emotional. |
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