Triple vaccine side effects?

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The S/N Certificate was mentioned, hastily. Since the kittens I was
considering were males, this too may have influenced the shelter
worker to 'okay' to me taking one home with shots now, and to return
in a couple of weeks for neutering. Is it my imagination or are
vaccinateable cat diseases more virulent compared to 20 yrs ago?
What is this "Your cat just had kittens" bit? In your state, is a
shelter cat still some kind of "property" or "ward" of the State
after the buyer takes possession of the animal?

Kelly's right, some people are just stupid. But technically, the
shelter *could* repossess the cat, if they were so inclined to go to
court over it. Every adoptor signs a contract spay/neuter, basic
humane care, some say "no declaw." If the adoptor fails to honor the
contract, ownership of the animal reverts back to the shelter.
In my experience, though, this has never happened. Mostly they just
surrender them. I suppose if one doesn't care enough about an animal
to spend money on it, they SURE aren't going to spend money on lawyer
fees to keep it.

Sherry

On what legal basis could a shelter "repossess" a cat they sold outright?
It's not like you are making payments. Probably just wishful thinking on
your part. I have read three private adoption agency "contracts" and decided
I would NEVER EVER sign such a document. What you are suggesting is
reminiscent of software licensing. It is now and will forever remain OUR
software. We are only licensing you to use it and ensure that it does not
get copied or misused. What rubbish.

On what legal basis could a shelter "repossess" a cat they sold outright?
It's not like you are making payments. Probably just wishful thinking on
your part. I have read three private adoption agency "contracts" and decided
I would NEVER EVER sign such a document. What you are suggesting is
reminiscent of software licensing. It is now and will forever remain OUR
software. We are only licensing you to use it and ensure that it does not
get copied or misused. What rubbish.

If you want an animal from us, you sign a contract. You sign a contract
stating you will provide food, water, shelter, and basic veterinary
care for the life of the animal. You state that you will not abandon or
neglect the animal. That you will spay/or neuter the animal, if it
isn't already done. You state that you will not give away or dump, or
sell, the animal--if you no longer want it, it must be returned to us.

This is like any other contract--it CAN be upheld in a court of law. If
you don't want to sign the contract, you don't get the pet.
I ralize it sounds screwy to you--but there is a purpose. For example,
it was reported back to us that one of our dogs was in a back yard, on
a short, tangled chain, in 100 degree heat with no water. It was unable
to reach any shade or shelter. The contract simply made it easier for
us to get the animal back. BUT, believe you me, we could have gotten it
anyway, whether the animal was adopted from us or not.

Sherry

"Philip" wrote
Because in fact, she DOES know me. The hole in the ground is the proper
place for your bitchy snipe.


How do I know that?

Not every shelter abides by your rules. Pound and a half is the low
threshold for adopting out at that shelter, Kelly.

IMHO, it's too small.

Well Kelly ... that IS your "customer." Maybe you should offer an
optional health maintenance insureance plan/policy. Or you might sell
your cats on an "As Is" basis just like used cars are sold.

We do. Listed on the adoption agreement are any known health issues, as
well as a statement that any future health issues are the new owner's
responsibility.

--
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On what legal basis could a shelter "repossess" a cat they sold
outright? It's not like you are making payments. Probably just
wishful thinking on your part. I have read three private adoption
agency "contracts" and decided I would NEVER EVER sign such a
document. What you are suggesting is reminiscent of software
licensing. It is now and will forever remain OUR software. We are
only licensing you to use it and ensure that it does not get copied
or misused. What rubbish.

If you want an animal from us, you sign a contract.

I don't want an animal from your shelter/organization with strings attached.

You sign a contract stating you will provide food, water, shelter, and
basic veterinary care for the life of the animal. You state that you will
not abandon or neglect the animal. That you will spay/or neuter the
animal, if it isn't already done. You state that you will not give away
or dump, or sell, the animal--if you no longer want it, it must be
returned to us.

This is like any other contract--it CAN be upheld in a court of law.

Ah... another source of income for your socialist mob is taking people to
court, hoping for penalty judgements. The Pet Mafia. So pets are little
whores whose owners you HOPE will default so you can get more money via the
courts (law suits). This became quite obvious to me and now you have
confirmed it.

If you don't want to sign the contract, you don't get the pet.
I ralize it sounds screwy to you--but there is a purpose.

The stated purpose sounds soooooooooooo humanitarian and for the good of
little fluff balls everywhere. The scam your organization conducts needs to
be "checked."

For example,
it was reported back to us that one of our dogs was in a back yard, on
a short, tangled chain, in 100 degree heat with no water. It was
unable to reach any shade or shelter. The contract simply made it
easier for us to get the animal back. BUT, believe you me, we could
have gotten it anyway, whether the animal was adopted from us or not.

Sherry

Tell me Sherry, what points in your adoption "contract" actually over lap
(mirror) State law?

What points in your adoption "contracts" go outside and beyond State law?

I have an adoption application form here in front of me that inquires about
our household income, number of rooms in our home, request for the name &
phone of our current vet, number of cars in our possession, would we permit
a home inspection by one of the adoption workers before adopting, and a few
other things that are waaaaaaaaay beyond the pail of caring for an indoor
cat.

Because of these outrageous inquiries into our private lives, I am warming
up to buying a kitten from a private party, without shots, without
sterilization ... and then have those services performed at periods
appropriate to the cat's development ... rather than at the arbitrary decree
of your people and the government.

KellyH wrote:
"Philip" wrote
Because in fact, she DOES know me. The hole in the ground is the
proper place for your bitchy snipe.


How do I know that?

Not every shelter abides by your rules. Pound and a half is the low
threshold for adopting out at that shelter, Kelly.

IMHO, it's too small.

Well Kelly ... that IS your "customer." Maybe you should offer an
optional health maintenance insureance plan/policy. Or you might
sell your cats on an "As Is" basis just like used cars are sold.

We do. Listed on the adoption agreement are any known health issues,
as well as a statement that any future health issues are the new
owner's responsibility.

The statement of health is great. Sorta like buying a house. The seller
discloses all known structural deficiencies and liens on paper. Gee ...
there's one for ya ... Kitty Escrow. I'm really against agreeing to let
some snoop from your organization repossess my animal in the future for not
living up to subjective contract clauses. You sold ... I bought. You
relinquish all rights and privileges. "Adoption" means the adopting party(s)
*can* prohibit the form custodians from EVER visiting the animal again.
Would you agree to that stipulation?

"Philip" wrote
The statement of health is great. Sorta like buying a house. The seller
discloses all known structural deficiencies and liens on paper. Gee ...
there's one for ya ... Kitty Escrow. I'm really against agreeing to let
some snoop from your organization repossess my animal in the future for
not living up to subjective contract clauses. You sold ... I bought. You
relinquish all rights and privileges. "Adoption" means the adopting
party(s) *can* prohibit the form custodians from EVER visiting the animal
again. Would you agree to that stipulation?

I'm glad you are on the other coast so I don't have to deal with you at my
shelter.

--
-Kelly

Philip wrote:
wrote:
On what legal basis could a shelter "repossess" a cat they sold
outright? It's not like you are making payments. Probably just
wishful thinking on your part. I have read three private adoption
agency "contracts" and decided I would NEVER EVER sign such a
document. What you are suggesting is reminiscent of software
licensing. It is now and will forever remain OUR software. We are
only licensing you to use it and ensure that it does not get copied
or misused. What rubbish.

If you want an animal from us, you sign a contract.


I don't want an animal from your shelter/organization with strings attached.

That's good. Because if you consider promising to feed, shelter, and
not abuse an animal "strings" that you cannot live by, we wouldn't
adopt to you anyway.

Sherry

You sign a contract stating you will provide food, water, shelter, and
basic veterinary care for the life of the animal. You state that you will
not abandon or neglect the animal. That you will spay/or neuter the
animal, if it isn't already done. You state that you will not give away
or dump, or sell, the animal--if you no longer want it, it must be
returned to us.

This is like any other contract--it CAN be upheld in a court of law.

Ah... another source of income for your socialist mob is taking people to
court, hoping for penalty judgements.

No. We don't ask for penalty judgments. Moot point, because we've never
had to go to court anyway. Most people, when the situations gets as far
as mentioning litigation, are kind of like you. They don't care enough
about the animal to take basic care of it, so they're certainly not
going to spend money to keep it.


If you don't want to sign the contract, you don't get the pet.
I ralize it sounds screwy to you--but there is a purpose.

The stated purpose sounds soooooooooooo humanitarian and for the good of
little fluff balls everywhere. The scam your organization conducts needs to
be "checked."

Phillip, I am sorely disappointed in you. I knew you were an old fart
who only considers animals as chattel--like a lot of old farts your
age. But I never thought you'd condone abuse and neglect.

Pity.

Sherry

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KellyH wrote:
"Philip" wrote
The statement of health is great. Sorta like buying a house. The
seller discloses all known structural deficiencies and liens on
paper. Gee ... there's one for ya ... Kitty Escrow. I'm really
against agreeing to let some snoop from your organization repossess
my animal in the future for not living up to subjective contract
clauses. You sold ... I bought. You relinquish all rights and
privileges. "Adoption" means the adopting party(s) *can* prohibit
the form custodians from EVER visiting the animal again. Would you
agree to that stipulation?

I'm glad you are on the other coast so I don't have to deal with you
at my shelter.

Challenging little people with a little power in a little fiefdom is the
sweetest thing. I'd put an article in your local paper about such WILD
invasions of privacy starting with that adoption application. Might even
take it a step further. I have no doubt that you would not want a ****ed
off senior citizen on your butt.