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Karen Chuplis wrote:
in article , D. Stephen Heersink at wrote on 8/10/03 3:45 PM: I've always declawed my cats because they are always indoors and if I don't, they will claw the furniture and me. Since I have expensive furniture and don't want scars on me, I've found the declawing a cat is the best way to accomplish our mutual goals. Some extremists think those of us who do such things are savages, but I don't care. I love my cats, and my cats love me, declawed and all. But of course, they are NEVER allowed out doors. Kind regards, ___________________ D. Stephen Heersink San Francisco I've had cats all my life. I do not have scars. My furniture is fine. Learn to train the cats. Or use Soft Paws. Ditto. There is NO excuse for declawing cats. A caring, compassionate person will make the comparitively small effort to learn how to train the cats and invest the couple months needed to do so. Scratching posts and sticky pawa are all you need, along with a small bnit of intlligence and some patience. Anything else is simply a lazy, arrogant cop out. If you feel your cats need declawing, find another pet. |
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"Brandy Alexandre" wrote:
Gary wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: Cruel jerks like you always *assume* that cats can't be trained (or, you just don't want to invest the time in it), but, they can. You'll never convince anyone that way. Sure way to make people shut you out and not listen to your argument. Yeah, name-calling ALWAYS influences people. -- Brandy Alexandre® http://www.swydm.com/?refer=BrandyAlx Well, would you? What's the difference between "name calling" and accurate descriptive phrases? Gary -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- |
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"Brandy Alexandre" wrote:
Gary wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: Cruel jerks like you always *assume* that cats can't be trained (or, you just don't want to invest the time in it), but, they can. You'll never convince anyone that way. Sure way to make people shut you out and not listen to your argument. Yeah, name-calling ALWAYS influences people. -- Brandy Alexandre® http://www.swydm.com/?refer=BrandyAlx Well, would you? What's the difference between "name calling" and accurate descriptive phrases? Gary -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- |
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"Brandy Alexandre" wrote in message
... Good luck with that statement. This group is nothing but extremists who like to flame away people who are not of like mind or who they cannot convert. I'm not an extremist, but the fact is, most countries have banned declawing for a reason, and many vets have expressed their professional opinion that declawing is harmful to a cat, that it can cause a lot of pain, and often psychological and/or behavior problems. I don't see why they would do this if it was just a matter of personal preference. Considering how rarely governments consider animal rights, the fact that so many have considered declawing harmful enough to ban it sends a very strong message, and there are certainly a number of fact-laden articles all over the 'Net (many by vets) supporting that viewpoint. There is also a great deal of anecdotal evidence regarding the aforementioned psychological and behavior problems, much of it from shelters dealing with the fallout of this proceedure. That is the reason it's very difficult for most people here not to get angry, extreme or resort to name calling when they hear of people trying to justify the proceedure; it is unneccessary, and there is a lot of evidence which supports the idea that it can cause a cat a lot of misery. And as this group is full of animal lovers, it angers them to hear people trying to justify an unecessary procedure that makes innocent animals suffer....that's only natural. Ann |
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"Brandy Alexandre" wrote in message
... Good luck with that statement. This group is nothing but extremists who like to flame away people who are not of like mind or who they cannot convert. I'm not an extremist, but the fact is, most countries have banned declawing for a reason, and many vets have expressed their professional opinion that declawing is harmful to a cat, that it can cause a lot of pain, and often psychological and/or behavior problems. I don't see why they would do this if it was just a matter of personal preference. Considering how rarely governments consider animal rights, the fact that so many have considered declawing harmful enough to ban it sends a very strong message, and there are certainly a number of fact-laden articles all over the 'Net (many by vets) supporting that viewpoint. There is also a great deal of anecdotal evidence regarding the aforementioned psychological and behavior problems, much of it from shelters dealing with the fallout of this proceedure. That is the reason it's very difficult for most people here not to get angry, extreme or resort to name calling when they hear of people trying to justify the proceedure; it is unneccessary, and there is a lot of evidence which supports the idea that it can cause a cat a lot of misery. And as this group is full of animal lovers, it angers them to hear people trying to justify an unecessary procedure that makes innocent animals suffer....that's only natural. Ann |
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"Brandy Alexandre" wrote:
Gary wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: What's the difference between "name calling" and accurate descriptive phrases? You mean like close-minded, self-absorbed, "everyone should think the way I do" purists like you? That's dead on, but saying so would never get you to even consider anything I say seriusly. I'm just saying you do the issue much more harm than good with you PERSONAL OPINION of someone thrown in. -- Brandy Alexandre® http://www.swydm.com/?refer=BrandyAlx Well, would you? That's what usenet is about - PERSONAL OPINION. Deal with it. Gary -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- |
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"Brandy Alexandre" wrote:
Gary wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: What's the difference between "name calling" and accurate descriptive phrases? You mean like close-minded, self-absorbed, "everyone should think the way I do" purists like you? That's dead on, but saying so would never get you to even consider anything I say seriusly. I'm just saying you do the issue much more harm than good with you PERSONAL OPINION of someone thrown in. -- Brandy Alexandre® http://www.swydm.com/?refer=BrandyAlx Well, would you? That's what usenet is about - PERSONAL OPINION. Deal with it. Gary -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- |
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There are regional and cultural issues surrounding everything we do and
one country will be in line with it while another will not. Glom on to whatever fits within your ideal, but don't discount everything that does not as "just wrong." Because by and large it isn't. It's just an opinion. How many industrialized nations are there in the world anyway? Twenty of them have banned declawing. Half of them admit there's still an underground for it and the results have been similar to the banning of abortion--disfigurement and death. If that's what you want to happen to cats, fine. I think you're cruel. But if the cat died "as a result of a countries laws", wouldn't that then mean the person who took the cat to be declawed in the first place was indeed the "cruel" one? Mike |
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There are regional and cultural issues surrounding everything we do and
one country will be in line with it while another will not. Glom on to whatever fits within your ideal, but don't discount everything that does not as "just wrong." Because by and large it isn't. It's just an opinion. How many industrialized nations are there in the world anyway? Twenty of them have banned declawing. Half of them admit there's still an underground for it and the results have been similar to the banning of abortion--disfigurement and death. If that's what you want to happen to cats, fine. I think you're cruel. But if the cat died "as a result of a countries laws", wouldn't that then mean the person who took the cat to be declawed in the first place was indeed the "cruel" one? Mike |
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