Hill's Feline S/D, Hill's Feline CD-S

Prescription Diet c/d-s (which will
shortly change names to just plain c/d)

It seems like just yesterday that they added the 's'. What are they
doing with c/d-o? Or are they following the lead of IVD and Waltham's
and creating a combination urinary diet?

My friend (the vet) tells me that c/d-oxl is going to be renamed x/d. Supposed
to be less confusion that way?? As for IVD and Waltham....it's really not
possible to have a "one size fits all" approach to effectively manage FLUTD.
BTW, Hill's is the leader and everybody else follows THEM. When they can't
compete, they try a different tactic such as claiming to manage both types of
stones (struvite and calcium oxalate) w/ one diet.

s/d is formulated to dissolve *existing* struvite crystals and uroliths
that can obstruct the urethra resulting in acute renal failure and *death*
in a very short time... which is tad more serious and immediate than early
stage chronic renal failure.

In renal failure, every nephron should be treasured. Every nephron
lost will never be replaced.

"This food was prescribed for my cat who just had a urinary blockage"?

You **should not**, nor are you qualified to advise a person to take his
cat off of a prescription diet - *especially* a cat that just had a urethral
obstruction removed and probably still has crystals!

Oh, and you have never seen veterinary mistakes? I´ve seen them way
too often, even in this group. It´s not because a person has a diploma
in whatever field that they know what they are doing. If doctors kill
250 thousand people every year only in the USA because of
incompetence, I don´t even want to think about the numbers regarding
animals.

I seriously hope Albert *ignores* your *dangerous* and *deadly* advice.

Really? I often see you give the exact same advice about more water in
the diet (feed canned) to avoid uroliths. Besides, I know for a fact
that canned diet fixed my cats´problem as it has fixed other cats
here.

s/d is a *short-term* therapy -- You should at least know something about
the food you're bad-mouthing....

I know that. But in that one or two month short term use, how many
nephrons could be lost huh? Before you get me wrong, this is about
hypocrisy and not about actual loss of nephrons.

You should go study veterinary medicine and get some more background.
What´s keeping you from it?

s/d is formulated to dissolve *existing* struvite crystals and uroliths
that can obstruct the urethra resulting in acute renal failure and *death*
in a very short time... which is tad more serious and immediate than early
stage chronic renal failure.

In renal failure, every nephron should be treasured. Every nephron
lost will never be replaced.

"This food was prescribed for my cat who just had a urinary blockage"?

You **should not**, nor are you qualified to advise a person to take his
cat off of a prescription diet - *especially* a cat that just had a urethral
obstruction removed and probably still has crystals!

Oh, and you have never seen veterinary mistakes? I´ve seen them way
too often, even in this group. It´s not because a person has a diploma
in whatever field that they know what they are doing. If doctors kill
250 thousand people every year only in the USA because of
incompetence, I don´t even want to think about the numbers regarding
animals.

I seriously hope Albert *ignores* your *dangerous* and *deadly* advice.

Really? I often see you give the exact same advice about more water in
the diet (feed canned) to avoid uroliths. Besides, I know for a fact
that canned diet fixed my cats´problem as it has fixed other cats
here.

s/d is a *short-term* therapy -- You should at least know something about
the food you're bad-mouthing....

I know that. But in that one or two month short term use, how many
nephrons could be lost huh? Before you get me wrong, this is about
hypocrisy and not about actual loss of nephrons.

You should go study veterinary medicine and get some more background.
What´s keeping you from it?

(Steve Crane) wrote in message . com...
(Albert Pike) wrote in message . com...
This food was prescribed for my cat who just had a urinary blockage
removed. Does anyone know if my other cat (who is in perfect health)
will develop problems if he also starts to eat the Hill's S/D and
Hill's CD-S food as well ?

Thanks.

Albert,
Prescription Diet s/d is designed for SHORT term feeding only, never
more than a couple months. It's purpose is to remove all traces of any
left over "sand" (crystals). Prescription Diet c/d-s (which will
shortly change names to just plain c/d) is designed for long term
maintenance of a cat. There is no risk in feeding c/d to normal
healthy cats, unless they have some other disease issue which would
contraindicate the food.
I would suggest you keep the normal kitty away from the s/d, but not
worry at all about the c/d.

By the way is Albert Pike your real name or did you simply adopt it
from Morals and Dogma (33°)?


Thanks for your advice Steve,

The only trouble I have now is trying to get my cat to eat the dry
S/D. He won't touch it, even with oregano, as suggested by Hill's. He
also doesn't fancy the S/D canned food, but at least he eats SOME of
it. Hopefully, when I have to put him on the C/D-S, he will like it.

Have I been feeding my cats wrong all there years? I used to leave dry
premium food out for them all day, with plenty of water, which they
drank. Should I keep all the food away and only give them wet and dry
food twice a day (ie 8am and 8pm) ? I'd hate to think of them hungry
while I'm at work.
I regret not reading about urinary tract diseases and wet food diets
earlier.

It seems difficult to switch my cats from a dry food diet to a wet
food one.

Any suggestions?

No, Albert Pike is not my real name, but I do know who he is. I think
I read about him in one of Manly P. Hall's books (Now there's a good
name!)

(Steve Crane) wrote in message . com...
(Albert Pike) wrote in message . com...
This food was prescribed for my cat who just had a urinary blockage
removed. Does anyone know if my other cat (who is in perfect health)
will develop problems if he also starts to eat the Hill's S/D and
Hill's CD-S food as well ?

Thanks.

Albert,
Prescription Diet s/d is designed for SHORT term feeding only, never
more than a couple months. It's purpose is to remove all traces of any
left over "sand" (crystals). Prescription Diet c/d-s (which will
shortly change names to just plain c/d) is designed for long term
maintenance of a cat. There is no risk in feeding c/d to normal
healthy cats, unless they have some other disease issue which would
contraindicate the food.
I would suggest you keep the normal kitty away from the s/d, but not
worry at all about the c/d.

By the way is Albert Pike your real name or did you simply adopt it
from Morals and Dogma (33°)?


Thanks for your advice Steve,

The only trouble I have now is trying to get my cat to eat the dry
S/D. He won't touch it, even with oregano, as suggested by Hill's. He
also doesn't fancy the S/D canned food, but at least he eats SOME of
it. Hopefully, when I have to put him on the C/D-S, he will like it.

Have I been feeding my cats wrong all there years? I used to leave dry
premium food out for them all day, with plenty of water, which they
drank. Should I keep all the food away and only give them wet and dry
food twice a day (ie 8am and 8pm) ? I'd hate to think of them hungry
while I'm at work.
I regret not reading about urinary tract diseases and wet food diets
earlier.

It seems difficult to switch my cats from a dry food diet to a wet
food one.

Any suggestions?

No, Albert Pike is not my real name, but I do know who he is. I think
I read about him in one of Manly P. Hall's books (Now there's a good
name!)

""Liz" wrote in message
om...


In renal failure,

Why are you mentioning renal failure? Albert did not say his cat was in
renal failure...Are you trying to convolute the issue again to divert
attention away from your *dangerous* and *deadly* advice?


every nephron should be treasured. Every nephron
lost will never be replaced.

....and *life* should be treasured. *Life* once lost can never be replaced.

You've made it abundantly clear that you have no practical experience in
treating cats and you know only what you read about different species, so
I'll enlighten you about *real life*.

Male cats, "Wiz Liz", can *die*, in a short time, from a pathophysiologic
state equivalent to oliguric *acute renal failure* and/or severe damage to
the urinary bladder, or they can sustain *permanent* damage to the urethra
that makes normal urination impossible - all from a urethral obstruction.
Cats that already experienced an episode of urethral obstruction are at
*increased* risk of experiencing another episode in a relatively short time.
You obviously didn't know that. But now you do!
..


"This food was prescribed for my cat who just had a urinary blockage"?

You **should not**, nor are you qualified to advise a person to take
his
cat off of a prescription diet - *especially* a cat that just had a
urethral
obstruction removed and probably still has crystals!

Oh, and you have never seen veterinary mistakes?

What mistake??? The cat *just had* a urethral obstruction removed! The
mistake would be taking the cat off a diet that's specially formulated to
dissolve *already existing* struvite that can easily obstruct his urethra
again! *Many* cats reblock shortly after the initial obstruction has been
resolved.... but obviously you didn't know that, either. But now you do!

You should stay the hell out of matters that you know nothing about before
your dangerous and deadly advice gets a cat killed... if your advice hasn't
caused the death of a cat(s) already.



I seriously hope Albert *ignores* your *dangerous* and *deadly* advice.

Really? I often see you give the exact same advice about more water in
the diet (feed canned) to avoid uroliths.

You *truly* are a deceitful manipulator! That's *not* the advice I
suggested that Albert ignore.

I suggested that Albert ignore your *dangerous* and *deadly* advice about
taking his cat off a prescription diet after his cat *just had* a urethral
obstruction removed.

Once *again* you've *deliberately* *manipulated* and *misinterpreted* a
statement by taking it out of context to suit your purpose...

*This* is the context in which the phase you *manipulated* was used:

"You **should not**, nor are you qualified to advise a person to take his
cat off of a prescription diet - *especially* a cat that just had a urethral
obstruction removed and probably still has crystals!

I seriously hope Albert *ignores* your *dangerous* and *deadly* advice."

Lets see you try to slither out of getting caught red-handed in yet
*another* *deliberate* misrepresentation and manipulation!

Its no wonder you're not "in research" any more! You can't seem to cite or
quote a statement without manipulating it!



s/d is a *short-term* therapy -- You should at least know something
about
the food you're bad-mouthing....

I know that.

I don't think so.

But in that one or two month short term use, how many
nephrons could be lost huh?

Do you understand the concept of "risk vs. benefit"? Apparently not. It
doesn't matter how many nephrons are "saved" if the cat *dies* of acute
renal failure and/or severe damage to the urinary bladder caused by a
urethral obstruction, now does it? What are you going to do, pat yourself
on the back for "saving" some nephrons... at the cat's funeral? What's
wrong with you?


Before you get me wrong, this is about
hypocrisy and not about actual loss of nephrons.

No it isn't Its about *life and death* and your *dangerous* and *deadly*
advice. .There was no hypocrisy in my statement before you *deliberately*
manipulated and misinterpreted it. That's really what you're best at.


You should go study veterinary medicine and get some more background.

LOL! You *truly* have lost touch with reality. I knew something was
seriously wrong with from when you began posting here... You've just
reconfirmed my suspicions...

I have *more* practical experience and *much* more background in veterinary
matters and treating cats than you'll *ever* have ... and that's what I
think *really* bothers you, "Wiz Liz" LOL!

You should go learn something about cats and *feline* diseases and
treatments before you give anymore utterly asinine and *dangerous* and
*deadly* advice.


What´s keeping you from it?

Correcting your *dangerous* and *deadly* advice...


How many of my posts does this make that you replied to after saying over
and over you weren't going to respond to my posts? Do you understand the
concept of poor impulse control?

""Liz" wrote in message
om...


In renal failure,

Why are you mentioning renal failure? Albert did not say his cat was in
renal failure...Are you trying to convolute the issue again to divert
attention away from your *dangerous* and *deadly* advice?


every nephron should be treasured. Every nephron
lost will never be replaced.

....and *life* should be treasured. *Life* once lost can never be replaced.

You've made it abundantly clear that you have no practical experience in
treating cats and you know only what you read about different species, so
I'll enlighten you about *real life*.

Male cats, "Wiz Liz", can *die*, in a short time, from a pathophysiologic
state equivalent to oliguric *acute renal failure* and/or severe damage to
the urinary bladder, or they can sustain *permanent* damage to the urethra
that makes normal urination impossible - all from a urethral obstruction.
Cats that already experienced an episode of urethral obstruction are at
*increased* risk of experiencing another episode in a relatively short time.
You obviously didn't know that. But now you do!
..


"This food was prescribed for my cat who just had a urinary blockage"?

You **should not**, nor are you qualified to advise a person to take
his
cat off of a prescription diet - *especially* a cat that just had a
urethral
obstruction removed and probably still has crystals!

Oh, and you have never seen veterinary mistakes?

What mistake??? The cat *just had* a urethral obstruction removed! The
mistake would be taking the cat off a diet that's specially formulated to
dissolve *already existing* struvite that can easily obstruct his urethra
again! *Many* cats reblock shortly after the initial obstruction has been
resolved.... but obviously you didn't know that, either. But now you do!

You should stay the hell out of matters that you know nothing about before
your dangerous and deadly advice gets a cat killed... if your advice hasn't
caused the death of a cat(s) already.



I seriously hope Albert *ignores* your *dangerous* and *deadly* advice.

Really? I often see you give the exact same advice about more water in
the diet (feed canned) to avoid uroliths.

You *truly* are a deceitful manipulator! That's *not* the advice I
suggested that Albert ignore.

I suggested that Albert ignore your *dangerous* and *deadly* advice about
taking his cat off a prescription diet after his cat *just had* a urethral
obstruction removed.

Once *again* you've *deliberately* *manipulated* and *misinterpreted* a
statement by taking it out of context to suit your purpose...

*This* is the context in which the phase you *manipulated* was used:

"You **should not**, nor are you qualified to advise a person to take his
cat off of a prescription diet - *especially* a cat that just had a urethral
obstruction removed and probably still has crystals!

I seriously hope Albert *ignores* your *dangerous* and *deadly* advice."

Lets see you try to slither out of getting caught red-handed in yet
*another* *deliberate* misrepresentation and manipulation!

Its no wonder you're not "in research" any more! You can't seem to cite or
quote a statement without manipulating it!



s/d is a *short-term* therapy -- You should at least know something
about
the food you're bad-mouthing....

I know that.

I don't think so.

But in that one or two month short term use, how many
nephrons could be lost huh?

Do you understand the concept of "risk vs. benefit"? Apparently not. It
doesn't matter how many nephrons are "saved" if the cat *dies* of acute
renal failure and/or severe damage to the urinary bladder caused by a
urethral obstruction, now does it? What are you going to do, pat yourself
on the back for "saving" some nephrons... at the cat's funeral? What's
wrong with you?


Before you get me wrong, this is about
hypocrisy and not about actual loss of nephrons.

No it isn't Its about *life and death* and your *dangerous* and *deadly*
advice. .There was no hypocrisy in my statement before you *deliberately*
manipulated and misinterpreted it. That's really what you're best at.


You should go study veterinary medicine and get some more background.

LOL! You *truly* have lost touch with reality. I knew something was
seriously wrong with from when you began posting here... You've just
reconfirmed my suspicions...

I have *more* practical experience and *much* more background in veterinary
matters and treating cats than you'll *ever* have ... and that's what I
think *really* bothers you, "Wiz Liz" LOL!

You should go learn something about cats and *feline* diseases and
treatments before you give anymore utterly asinine and *dangerous* and
*deadly* advice.


What´s keeping you from it?

Correcting your *dangerous* and *deadly* advice...


How many of my posts does this make that you replied to after saying over
and over you weren't going to respond to my posts? Do you understand the
concept of poor impulse control?

In article ,
(GAUBSTER2) wrote:

Prescription Diet c/d-s (which will
shortly change names to just plain c/d)

It seems like just yesterday that they added the 's'. What are they
doing with c/d-o? Or are they following the lead of IVD and Waltham's
and creating a combination urinary diet?

My friend (the vet) tells me that c/d-oxl is going to be renamed x/d.
Supposed
to be less confusion that way?? As for IVD and Waltham....it's really not
possible to have a "one size fits all" approach to effectively manage FLUTD.
BTW, Hill's is the leader and everybody else follows THEM. When they can't
compete, they try a different tactic such as claiming to manage both types of
stones (struvite and calcium oxalate) w/ one diet.

Not possible, huh? That's fascinating considering that my cat forms both
struvite crystals (sometimes in acid urine) and oxalate crystals
(sometimes in alkaline urine). Should I be taking a daily urine sample
and determining what Hill's Prescription Diet to feed him based on
presence of crystals?

Oddly enough he's asymptomatic these days with no c/d or x/d or s/d or
any /d...How is that possible? It's NOT! AUUGH!

What, exactly, is the mechanism of formation of urinary crystals, and
what predisposes a cat to form them?

-Alison in OH

In article ,
(GAUBSTER2) wrote:

Prescription Diet c/d-s (which will
shortly change names to just plain c/d)

It seems like just yesterday that they added the 's'. What are they
doing with c/d-o? Or are they following the lead of IVD and Waltham's
and creating a combination urinary diet?

My friend (the vet) tells me that c/d-oxl is going to be renamed x/d.
Supposed
to be less confusion that way?? As for IVD and Waltham....it's really not
possible to have a "one size fits all" approach to effectively manage FLUTD.
BTW, Hill's is the leader and everybody else follows THEM. When they can't
compete, they try a different tactic such as claiming to manage both types of
stones (struvite and calcium oxalate) w/ one diet.

Not possible, huh? That's fascinating considering that my cat forms both
struvite crystals (sometimes in acid urine) and oxalate crystals
(sometimes in alkaline urine). Should I be taking a daily urine sample
and determining what Hill's Prescription Diet to feed him based on
presence of crystals?

Oddly enough he's asymptomatic these days with no c/d or x/d or s/d or
any /d...How is that possible? It's NOT! AUUGH!

What, exactly, is the mechanism of formation of urinary crystals, and
what predisposes a cat to form them?

-Alison in OH

You are either too dumb or you deliberately misinterpret everything
you read. Why waste time with you?