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Laser declaw? Huh?
My cat is 9 months old. Hes not neutered yet because Im dragging my
feet deciding if he should be laser declawed or traditionally declawed, and Im going to have him neutered at the same time as declawed. Is laser declaw really so much better? Note: I do NOT want to get lectured by the people who think declawing is "wrong" or "cruel" Don't waste your time or mine, please. My vet said that laser isn't really much better, but her office doesnt offer laser, so she may just want my money. That sounds paranoid, but my vet is...um... Anyway, I heard that with laser the "holes" where the claws were are cauterized in a sense so healing is much quicker and the whole thing is less painful. True? If Im correct, in a regular declaw they essentially rip out the last tip of the bone or something, correct? Id like to hear some opinions on Laser vs. Traditional, especially from people who have experience with both procedures (i.e. You have had multiple cats who have had each type of surgery) Again please, NOT on declaw vs. don't declaw, because my cat is strictly indoors and always will be, has a high energy level and likes to scratch, and is getting declawed, period. Thanks and have a great day! |
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"stlibf" wrote in message
om... My cat is 9 months old. Hes not neutered yet because Im dragging my feet deciding if he should be laser declawed or traditionally declawed, and Im going to have him neutered at the same time as declawed. Is laser declaw really so much better? Note: I do NOT want to get lectured by the people who think declawing is "wrong" or "cruel" Don't waste your time or mine, please. My vet said that laser isn't really much better, but her office doesnt offer laser, so she may just want my money. That sounds paranoid, but my vet is...um... Anyway, I heard that with laser the "holes" where the claws were are cauterized in a sense so healing is much quicker and the whole thing is less painful. True? If Im correct, in a regular declaw they essentially rip out the last tip of the bone or something, correct? Id like to hear some opinions on Laser vs. Traditional, especially from people who have experience with both procedures (i.e. You have had multiple cats who have had each type of surgery) Again please, NOT on declaw vs. don't declaw, because my cat is strictly indoors and always will be, has a high energy level and likes to scratch, and is getting declawed, period. Thanks and have a great day! Sorry bud, but you came to the wrong place if you dont want to get lectured! Either way, traditional surgery or laser, you are having your cat's toes amputated. Get him a nice, sturdy scratching post. Yes, he likes to scratch, all cats do. Go ahead and get him neutered before he starts spraying. -- -Kelly kelly at farringtons dot net Check out www.snittens.com |
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"stlibf" wrote in message
om... My cat is 9 months old. Hes not neutered yet because Im dragging my feet deciding if he should be laser declawed or traditionally declawed, and Im going to have him neutered at the same time as declawed. Is laser declaw really so much better? Note: I do NOT want to get lectured by the people who think declawing is "wrong" or "cruel" Don't waste your time or mine, please. My vet said that laser isn't really much better, but her office doesnt offer laser, so she may just want my money. That sounds paranoid, but my vet is...um... Anyway, I heard that with laser the "holes" where the claws were are cauterized in a sense so healing is much quicker and the whole thing is less painful. True? If Im correct, in a regular declaw they essentially rip out the last tip of the bone or something, correct? Id like to hear some opinions on Laser vs. Traditional, especially from people who have experience with both procedures (i.e. You have had multiple cats who have had each type of surgery) Again please, NOT on declaw vs. don't declaw, because my cat is strictly indoors and always will be, has a high energy level and likes to scratch, and is getting declawed, period. Thanks and have a great day! Sorry bud, but you came to the wrong place if you dont want to get lectured! Either way, traditional surgery or laser, you are having your cat's toes amputated. Get him a nice, sturdy scratching post. Yes, he likes to scratch, all cats do. Go ahead and get him neutered before he starts spraying. -- -Kelly kelly at farringtons dot net Check out www.snittens.com |
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On 15 Jan 2004 14:41:22 -0800,
(stlibf) wrote: My cat is 9 months old. Hes not neutered yet because Im dragging my feet deciding if he should be laser declawed or traditionally declawed, and Im going to have him neutered at the same time as declawed. Is laser declaw really so much better? Nope. Anyway, I heard that with laser the "holes" where the claws were are cauterized in a sense so healing is much quicker and the whole thing is less painful. True? If Im correct, in a regular declaw they essentially rip out the last tip of the bone or something, correct? They do the same thing in the laser declaw -- the only difference is in the cutting tool (scalpel, guillotine clippers, laser). The germinative cells for a cat's claws are in the distal phalanx, arising from the unguicular crest and unguicular process in the distal phalanx. The distal phalanx *must* be removed completely or the regrowth of a vestigial claw (and the accompanying abcesses) will (not can) result. The distal phalanx is the last bone in a cat's toe, thus in an onchyectomy (declaw surgery) portions of the cat's toes are amputated. Post-operative pain is the same with laser, as are complication rates, bleeding, and healing times are not markedly increased. You will see the same behavioural issues in laser declawed cats as in traditionally declawed ones -- the most common being avoidance of the litterbox (due to painful feet), biting, and fear aggression. You will also see the same long-term issues in laser declawed cats -- arthritis due to elbow and shoulder degeneration due to the forced change in gait and back problems due to the cat being unable to properly stretch and exercise the muscles in its shoulders and back Id like to hear some opinions on Laser vs. Traditional, especially from people who have experience with both procedures (i.e. You have had multiple cats who have had each type of surgery) How about reading veterinarian journals for discussions of both methods and talking to vets? Again please, NOT on declaw vs. don't declaw, because my cat is strictly indoors and always will be, has a high energy level and likes to scratch, and is getting declawed, period. How many posts do you have, where are they, how tall are they, and how sturdy are they? I know that's a lot of questions, but placement, number, and all those others are crucial factors in whether a cat uses a post or not, thereby saving your furniture. You should provide multiple posts and multiple scratching surfaces. Some cats like the feeling of sisal rope, some like bark, some like carpet, some like cardboard. Some cats like vertical surfaces, some like horizontal ones. Cats like to scratch when they first wake up, and they like to scratch in places where the traffic density is the highest. Put one post where they like to sleep so they can stretch their muscles after a nap, and put one in the living/family room (high traffic density) so they can fulfill their territorial marking need. Scratching is a visual and olfactory territory marker -- the scratched part says visually 'here I am, and I'm this big', and cats have scent glands on their paw pads that say olfactorily 'This is my place, and I'm this sex and this old and this healthy'. Cats tend to prefer posts that are tall enough to stretch way up against. This not only helps them stretch/exercise their back and shoulder muscles properly, but lets them announce how tall they are to the world in territorial marking. Cats will not scratch on an unsteady surface. If the post wobbles or (Bast forbid) falls over, cats won't scratch on it. Posts and trees should be on a heavy, wide base for maximum stability. I have four scratching surfaces (one 6' tree in the living room, 2 4' posts (one in the library near out bedroom and one in the media room in the basement), and one cardboard horizontal scratcher that floats around the house) for two Bengal cats (who are very active and heavy scratchers), and we have no damage anywhere in the house. Now, the cats will paw at the furniture (claws in) to put their scent on it, but since that's non-damaging we allow it. Orchid See Orchid's Kitties! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/bengalpage Want a Purebred Cat? Read This! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/orchid |
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Hi there, me again. I'm promising myself I will *not* preach about
anti-declawing, because I can tell that tactic will not work with you. So, here's a website from a vet hospital that is *promoting* laser declaw, and you can see for yourself that it is still an amputation, albeit a more hi-tech one. http://www.adobepet.com/library/declaw.htm I only ask that you try a few alternatives before you declaw your cat. What is he doing wrong? Scratching the furniture? Get him a nice, sturdy scratching post. I have 5 cats, all with their claws, and NONE of them scratch the furniture! I really didn't have to discipline them about it, either. I have a big cat tower/scratching post in the living room, right near the sliding glass door and sofa, and they all use that and not the couch! I also have a few horizontal sisal scratchers, and they like that better than the carpet. With a cat, you have to give them a better alternative than your furniture for scratching, IMHO. If you cannot train your cat not to scratch, for whatever reason, please try Soft Paws (http://www.softpaws.com/). They are plastic caps that you put over the cat's nails. I have them on one of my cats, not because he scratched furniture, but because it was impossible to clip his nails and he likes to knead me every morning, and his claws would poke me. I admit, I was very skeptical about Soft Paws, but they work!! I took him to the vet to have them put on (as said cat won't sit still for nail clipping, I knew he wouldn't for me putting on Soft Paws). My vet charged $20 for the application. It's been almost two months, and only one tip has come off so far. Bartleby still does the scratching act at the cat tower, and doesn't seem to notice them at all. Best part is, he can now knead me in the morning and it doesn't hurt! If your cat is easy to handle, you can probably put the Soft Paws on yourself. I will also admit that when this cat was a kitten, I contemplated declawing, but that was before I had all the facts. I thought about laser declawing, too. Thinking it was more humane, but then I realized it is bascially the same procedure, just the cut is done with a laser. It sounds like your cat is very happy and well-adjusted. Declawing can lead to behavioral issues, like litterbox avoidance. So, before you spend hundreds of dollars on a surgery that can lead to other problems, try some low-cost, low-tech solutions. I think Soft Paws might be your best bet. -- -Kelly kelly at farringtons dot net Check out www.snittens.com "stlibf" wrote in message om... My cat is 9 months old. Hes not neutered yet because Im dragging my feet deciding if he should be laser declawed or traditionally declawed, and Im going to have him neutered at the same time as declawed. Is laser declaw really so much better? Note: I do NOT want to get lectured by the people who think declawing is "wrong" or "cruel" Don't waste your time or mine, please. My vet said that laser isn't really much better, but her office doesnt offer laser, so she may just want my money. That sounds paranoid, but my vet is...um... Anyway, I heard that with laser the "holes" where the claws were are cauterized in a sense so healing is much quicker and the whole thing is less painful. True? If Im correct, in a regular declaw they essentially rip out the last tip of the bone or something, correct? Id like to hear some opinions on Laser vs. Traditional, especially from people who have experience with both procedures (i.e. You have had multiple cats who have had each type of surgery) Again please, NOT on declaw vs. don't declaw, because my cat is strictly indoors and always will be, has a high energy level and likes to scratch, and is getting declawed, period. Thanks and have a great day! |
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Hi there, me again. I'm promising myself I will *not* preach about
anti-declawing, because I can tell that tactic will not work with you. So, here's a website from a vet hospital that is *promoting* laser declaw, and you can see for yourself that it is still an amputation, albeit a more hi-tech one. http://www.adobepet.com/library/declaw.htm I only ask that you try a few alternatives before you declaw your cat. What is he doing wrong? Scratching the furniture? Get him a nice, sturdy scratching post. I have 5 cats, all with their claws, and NONE of them scratch the furniture! I really didn't have to discipline them about it, either. I have a big cat tower/scratching post in the living room, right near the sliding glass door and sofa, and they all use that and not the couch! I also have a few horizontal sisal scratchers, and they like that better than the carpet. With a cat, you have to give them a better alternative than your furniture for scratching, IMHO. If you cannot train your cat not to scratch, for whatever reason, please try Soft Paws (http://www.softpaws.com/). They are plastic caps that you put over the cat's nails. I have them on one of my cats, not because he scratched furniture, but because it was impossible to clip his nails and he likes to knead me every morning, and his claws would poke me. I admit, I was very skeptical about Soft Paws, but they work!! I took him to the vet to have them put on (as said cat won't sit still for nail clipping, I knew he wouldn't for me putting on Soft Paws). My vet charged $20 for the application. It's been almost two months, and only one tip has come off so far. Bartleby still does the scratching act at the cat tower, and doesn't seem to notice them at all. Best part is, he can now knead me in the morning and it doesn't hurt! If your cat is easy to handle, you can probably put the Soft Paws on yourself. I will also admit that when this cat was a kitten, I contemplated declawing, but that was before I had all the facts. I thought about laser declawing, too. Thinking it was more humane, but then I realized it is bascially the same procedure, just the cut is done with a laser. It sounds like your cat is very happy and well-adjusted. Declawing can lead to behavioral issues, like litterbox avoidance. So, before you spend hundreds of dollars on a surgery that can lead to other problems, try some low-cost, low-tech solutions. I think Soft Paws might be your best bet. -- -Kelly kelly at farringtons dot net Check out www.snittens.com "stlibf" wrote in message om... My cat is 9 months old. Hes not neutered yet because Im dragging my feet deciding if he should be laser declawed or traditionally declawed, and Im going to have him neutered at the same time as declawed. Is laser declaw really so much better? Note: I do NOT want to get lectured by the people who think declawing is "wrong" or "cruel" Don't waste your time or mine, please. My vet said that laser isn't really much better, but her office doesnt offer laser, so she may just want my money. That sounds paranoid, but my vet is...um... Anyway, I heard that with laser the "holes" where the claws were are cauterized in a sense so healing is much quicker and the whole thing is less painful. True? If Im correct, in a regular declaw they essentially rip out the last tip of the bone or something, correct? Id like to hear some opinions on Laser vs. Traditional, especially from people who have experience with both procedures (i.e. You have had multiple cats who have had each type of surgery) Again please, NOT on declaw vs. don't declaw, because my cat is strictly indoors and always will be, has a high energy level and likes to scratch, and is getting declawed, period. Thanks and have a great day! |
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On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 23:38:31 GMT, "KellyH" wrote:
Hi there, me again. I'm promising myself I will *not* preach about anti-declawing, because I can tell that tactic will not work with you. So, here's a website from a vet hospital that is *promoting* laser declaw, and you can see for yourself that it is still an amputation, albeit a more hi-tech one. http://www.adobepet.com/library/declaw.htm I only ask that you try a few alternatives before you declaw your cat. What is he doing wrong? Scratching the furniture? Get him a nice, sturdy scratching post. I have 5 cats, all with their claws, and NONE of them scratch the furniture! I really didn't have to discipline them about it, either. I have a big cat tower/scratching post in the living room, right near the sliding glass door and sofa, and they all use that and not the couch! I also have a few horizontal sisal scratchers, and they like that better than the carpet. With a cat, you have to give them a better alternative than your furniture for scratching, IMHO. If you cannot train your cat not to scratch, for whatever reason, please try Soft Paws (http://www.softpaws.com/). They are plastic caps that you put over the cat's nails. I have them on one of my cats, not because he scratched furniture, but because it was impossible to clip his nails and he likes to knead me every morning, and his claws would poke me. I admit, I was very skeptical about Soft Paws, but they work!! I took him to the vet to have them put on (as said cat won't sit still for nail clipping, I knew he wouldn't for me putting on Soft Paws). My vet charged $20 for the application. It's been almost two months, and only one tip has come off so far. Bartleby still does the scratching act at the cat tower, and doesn't seem to notice them at all. Best part is, he can now knead me in the morning and it doesn't hurt! If your cat is easy to handle, you can probably put the Soft Paws on yourself. I will also admit that when this cat was a kitten, I contemplated declawing, but that was before I had all the facts. I thought about laser declawing, too. Thinking it was more humane, but then I realized it is bascially the same procedure, just the cut is done with a laser. It sounds like your cat is very happy and well-adjusted. Declawing can lead to behavioral issues, like litterbox avoidance. So, before you spend hundreds of dollars on a surgery that can lead to other problems, try some low-cost, low-tech solutions. I think Soft Paws might be your best bet. Quote: "A word to the wise is sufficient". Is it? I have had two sets of Soft Paws on TuTu and now she doesn't seem to need them. She, has never scratched the furniture. She has a scratching post and a sisal one that is on the floor and a carpeted circle that she loves to scratch. Good luck for becoming "wise"! |
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On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 23:38:31 GMT, "KellyH" wrote:
Hi there, me again. I'm promising myself I will *not* preach about anti-declawing, because I can tell that tactic will not work with you. So, here's a website from a vet hospital that is *promoting* laser declaw, and you can see for yourself that it is still an amputation, albeit a more hi-tech one. http://www.adobepet.com/library/declaw.htm I only ask that you try a few alternatives before you declaw your cat. What is he doing wrong? Scratching the furniture? Get him a nice, sturdy scratching post. I have 5 cats, all with their claws, and NONE of them scratch the furniture! I really didn't have to discipline them about it, either. I have a big cat tower/scratching post in the living room, right near the sliding glass door and sofa, and they all use that and not the couch! I also have a few horizontal sisal scratchers, and they like that better than the carpet. With a cat, you have to give them a better alternative than your furniture for scratching, IMHO. If you cannot train your cat not to scratch, for whatever reason, please try Soft Paws (http://www.softpaws.com/). They are plastic caps that you put over the cat's nails. I have them on one of my cats, not because he scratched furniture, but because it was impossible to clip his nails and he likes to knead me every morning, and his claws would poke me. I admit, I was very skeptical about Soft Paws, but they work!! I took him to the vet to have them put on (as said cat won't sit still for nail clipping, I knew he wouldn't for me putting on Soft Paws). My vet charged $20 for the application. It's been almost two months, and only one tip has come off so far. Bartleby still does the scratching act at the cat tower, and doesn't seem to notice them at all. Best part is, he can now knead me in the morning and it doesn't hurt! If your cat is easy to handle, you can probably put the Soft Paws on yourself. I will also admit that when this cat was a kitten, I contemplated declawing, but that was before I had all the facts. I thought about laser declawing, too. Thinking it was more humane, but then I realized it is bascially the same procedure, just the cut is done with a laser. It sounds like your cat is very happy and well-adjusted. Declawing can lead to behavioral issues, like litterbox avoidance. So, before you spend hundreds of dollars on a surgery that can lead to other problems, try some low-cost, low-tech solutions. I think Soft Paws might be your best bet. Quote: "A word to the wise is sufficient". Is it? I have had two sets of Soft Paws on TuTu and now she doesn't seem to need them. She, has never scratched the furniture. She has a scratching post and a sisal one that is on the floor and a carpeted circle that she loves to scratch. Good luck for becoming "wise"! |
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From: (stlibf)
Note: I do NOT want to get lectured by the people who think declawing is "wrong" or "cruel" Don't waste your time or mine, please. Surely you didn't think you could post about wanting to amputate the ends of your cat's toes in a cat loving newsgroup and not get any comments. If you feel compelled to mutilate your cat, please find another home for him. 1. It is illegal in many countries and even some animal shelters and vets in the United States won't perform the surgery. 2. Cats actually walk on their first digit, which is the digit that is amputated. They can begin to walk incorrectly due to the amputation. 3. Declawing is not just yanking the claw out, it is the amputation of the first digit, which is the equivalent of us having our fingers cut off to the first knuckle. 4. Declawed cats can become fear biters. Cats first defense mechanism are their claws, when these are gone they bite. Biting can cause severe blood poisoning . 5. Declawed cats can and do suffer behavioral disorders, such as not using the litter box due to discomfort in their feet, and may use the rest of the house as their litterbox. They also have trouble jumping and landing, and in some severe cases, both domestic and wild cats have become lame upon being declawed. Dr. Nicholas Dodman, Professor of Behavioral Pharmacology and Director of the Behavior Clinic at Tufts University School of Veterinary Medicine and internationally known specialist in domestic animal behavioral research, explains declawing: "The inhumanity of the procedure is clearly demonstrated by the nature of cats' recovery from anesthesia following the surgery. Unlike routine recoveries, including recovery from neutering surgeries, which are fairly peaceful, declawing surgery results in cats bouncing off the walls of the recovery cage because of excruciating pain. Cats that are more stoic huddle in the corner of the recovery cage, immobilized in a state of helplessness, presumably by overwhelming pain. Declawing fits the dictionary definition of mutilation to a tee. Words such as deform, disfigure, disjoint, and dismember all apply to this surgery. Partial digital amputation is so horrible that it has been employed for torture of prisoners of war, and in veterinary medicine, the clinical procedure serves as model of severe pain for testing the efficacy of analgesic drugs. Even though analgesic drugs can be used postoperatively, they rarely are, and their effects are incomplete and transient anyway, so sooner or later the pain will emerge." "Declawing, or onychectomy, is an amputation of the toe at the last joint. This removes the claw and the bone from which it originates. On a human hand this would be an amputation at the knuckle just above the nail. It is not just removal of the claw as many people think." Matthew J. Ehrenberg, DVM "It is serious surgery. Your cat's claw is not a toenail. It is actually closely adhered to the bone. So closely adhered that to remove the claw, the last bone of your the cat's claw has to be removed. Declawing is actually an amputation of the last joint of your cat's "toes". When you envision that, it becomes clear why declawing is not a humane act. It is a painful surgery, with a painful recovery period." Dr. Christianne Schelling, DVM "The amputation of the nail is accomplished with a guillotine nail cutter, which cuts across the first joint of the toe" Dr. Paul Rowan, DVM "Declawing (onchyectomy) is a surgical procedure that amputates the 3rd phalanx bone and claw of all ten front foot toes of a cat. This is comparable to the amputation of the last bone of each finger in the human hand." Dr. Jennifer Kissinger, DVM "The feline digit, just like the human digit (finger), possesses three phalanxes. When a cat is declawed it is the third or last phalanx, that is completely removed or amputated." Murphy Animal Hospital, Tampa, Florida "Declawing, or onychectomy, is the amputation of the claw and last bone (third phalanx) of the cat's toes at the first joint on the front feet. It's the equivalent of removing the last bone of all your fingers." Dr. Alice Crook, Head, Animal Welfare Unit at Atlantic Veterinary College, University of Prince Edward Island. "Declawing is the surgical amputation under general anesthesia of the last part of the toe - comparable to the removal of your fingertip at the first joint." Veterinary Information Network, Inc "The most common surgical procedure, onychectomy, or "declawing", is amputation of the claw and the end toe bone joint." The Cat Fanciers' Association "Declawing a cat involves general anesthesia and amputation of the last joint of each toe, including the bones, not just the nail." Doctors Who's Who, Inc. J Am Vet Med Assoc 1998 Aug 1;213(3):370-3412 Comparison of effects of elective tenectomy or onychectomy in cats. Jankowski AJ, Brown DC, Duval J, Gregor TP, Strine LE, Ksiazek LM, Ott AH Department of Clinical Studies, Veterinary Teaching Hospital, School of Veterinary Medicine, University of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia 19104, USA. CLINICAL IMPLICATIONS: Owners should be aware of the high complication rate for both procedures. Vet Surg 1994 Jul-Aug;23(4):274-80 Feline onychectomy at a teaching institution: a retrospective study of 163 cases. Tobias KS Department of Veterinary Clinical Sciences, Washington State University College of Veterinary Medicine, Pullman 99164-6610. One hundred sixty-three cats underwent onychectomy from January 1985 to November 1992. Onychectomy was performed with guillotine-type nail shears (62%), surgical blade (24.5%), or both (8.6%), and wound closure consisted of bandages alone (61.3%), bandages after suture closure (26.4%), or tissue adhesive application (9.2%). The duration of surgery was significantly longer when onychectomy was performed with a blade or when suture closure was used instead of bandages alone (P .05). Fifty percent of the cats had one or more complications immediately after surgery. Early postoperative complications included pain (38.1%), hemorrhage (31.9%), lameness (26.9%), swelling (6.3%), or non-weight-bearing (5.6%), and were observed more frequently after blade onychectomy (P .001). Follow-up was available in 121 cats; 19.8% developed complications after release. Late postoperative complications included infection (11.6%), regrowth (7.4%), P2 protrusion (1.7%), palmagrade stance (1.7%), and prolonged, intermittent lameness (0.8%). Late postoperative complications were observed more frequently after shears onychectomy (P = ..018). Use of tissue adhesive was associated with more postoperative lameness (P .02) and, when used after shears onychectomy, with more infections (P = ..049). Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm |
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