How much space for a cat?

Quoth Bob Brenchley.:
You're making that claim - prove it. Jacqueline has offered evidence
for hers.

Strange, I've seen no evidence which carries any weight from her.

You've refused all offers of documentary evidence. If you're going to
claim there's nothing to see, it's more believable if you have your eyes
open at the time.

Given her stance, that she has had healthy cats placed in her care by
Cats Protection, with CP knowing in advance that she will be keeping
them indoors 24/7, we are left with only two alternatives that fit
reality. Either she is lying and the cats are not normal healthy cats,
or she is just trolling (another form of lying).

No we're not left with two alternatives; we're left with at least 5
other ones:

(a) she may have a mansion, in which case the floor space indoors is
probably larger than most cats will have access to outdoors.

(b) her local office may differ from the norm in policy.

(c) your local office may differ from the norm in policy.

(d) the cats have been kept indoors all their life, they're about 5, and
whilst perfectly happy and healthy, they're timid.

(e) the cats consistently refused to leave the house, so she gave up
trying to persuade them.

You may be short of imagination, Bob, but don't try and project it onto
us as absolute truth. You're not in possession of that, and neither is
anyone else.

*sigh* I remember when you started posting here... you seemed so
amusing, so promising... What happened, Bob? What happened?

Several years of dealing with lying animal abusing trolls.

....and as far as I can see, that constitutes the majority the newsgroup.
Ever wonder about that, Bob? Ever stop to think that just perhaps a
newsgroup does not find itself populated almost exclusively by lying
trolls - especially not lying trolls who seem perfectly capable of
getting on with everyone else in the newsgroup and not insisting that
their opinions are fact - until you, the vessel of ultimate revelation,
arrives to set it to rights? Ever considered that just perhaps it might
be you that's in the wrong?
--
Gwenhwyfaer (emails need [Private] in the subject)

some girls wander by themselves

Quoth Bob Brenchley.:
f keeping indoor-only cats was an act of abuse, the RSPCA would seize
the cats and rehome them. Please provide precise documentary evidence
that this occurs. I _will_ be verifying any case you put forward.

Sadly the RSPCA are renowned for not taking the action they should in
a wide variety of animal abuse issues.

Which is not so far from saying "I have no evidence to support my
position, I am simply spouting my opinion as if it were gospel, and I
also know better than the RSPCA what constitutes severe animal abuse".

Thanks for clarifying.
--
Gwenhwyfaer (emails need [Private] in the subject)

some girls wander by themselves

Quoth Bob Brenchley.:
f keeping indoor-only cats was an act of abuse, the RSPCA would seize
the cats and rehome them. Please provide precise documentary evidence
that this occurs. I _will_ be verifying any case you put forward.

Sadly the RSPCA are renowned for not taking the action they should in
a wide variety of animal abuse issues.

Which is not so far from saying "I have no evidence to support my
position, I am simply spouting my opinion as if it were gospel, and I
also know better than the RSPCA what constitutes severe animal abuse".

Thanks for clarifying.
--
Gwenhwyfaer (emails need [Private] in the subject)

some girls wander by themselves

I'm from California and the rescue groups here will not let you have one of
their cats if it is going to be allowed to be an indoor/outdoor cat (w/o
leash)


"Gwenhwyfaer de Tierveil" wrote in message
...
Quoth Bob Brenchley.:
You're making that claim - prove it. Jacqueline has offered evidence
for hers.

Strange, I've seen no evidence which carries any weight from her.

You've refused all offers of documentary evidence. If you're going to
claim there's nothing to see, it's more believable if you have your eyes
open at the time.

Given her stance, that she has had healthy cats placed in her care by
Cats Protection, with CP knowing in advance that she will be keeping
them indoors 24/7, we are left with only two alternatives that fit
reality. Either she is lying and the cats are not normal healthy cats,
or she is just trolling (another form of lying).

No we're not left with two alternatives; we're left with at least 5
other ones:

(a) she may have a mansion, in which case the floor space indoors is
probably larger than most cats will have access to outdoors.

(b) her local office may differ from the norm in policy.

(c) your local office may differ from the norm in policy.

(d) the cats have been kept indoors all their life, they're about 5, and
whilst perfectly happy and healthy, they're timid.

(e) the cats consistently refused to leave the house, so she gave up
trying to persuade them.

You may be short of imagination, Bob, but don't try and project it onto
us as absolute truth. You're not in possession of that, and neither is
anyone else.

*sigh* I remember when you started posting here... you seemed so
amusing, so promising... What happened, Bob? What happened?

Several years of dealing with lying animal abusing trolls.

...and as far as I can see, that constitutes the majority the newsgroup.
Ever wonder about that, Bob? Ever stop to think that just perhaps a
newsgroup does not find itself populated almost exclusively by lying
trolls - especially not lying trolls who seem perfectly capable of
getting on with everyone else in the newsgroup and not insisting that
their opinions are fact - until you, the vessel of ultimate revelation,
arrives to set it to rights? Ever considered that just perhaps it might
be you that's in the wrong?
--
Gwenhwyfaer (emails need [Private] in the subject)

some girls wander by themselves

I'm from California and the rescue groups here will not let you have one of
their cats if it is going to be allowed to be an indoor/outdoor cat (w/o
leash)


"Gwenhwyfaer de Tierveil" wrote in message
...
Quoth Bob Brenchley.:
You're making that claim - prove it. Jacqueline has offered evidence
for hers.

Strange, I've seen no evidence which carries any weight from her.

You've refused all offers of documentary evidence. If you're going to
claim there's nothing to see, it's more believable if you have your eyes
open at the time.

Given her stance, that she has had healthy cats placed in her care by
Cats Protection, with CP knowing in advance that she will be keeping
them indoors 24/7, we are left with only two alternatives that fit
reality. Either she is lying and the cats are not normal healthy cats,
or she is just trolling (another form of lying).

No we're not left with two alternatives; we're left with at least 5
other ones:

(a) she may have a mansion, in which case the floor space indoors is
probably larger than most cats will have access to outdoors.

(b) her local office may differ from the norm in policy.

(c) your local office may differ from the norm in policy.

(d) the cats have been kept indoors all their life, they're about 5, and
whilst perfectly happy and healthy, they're timid.

(e) the cats consistently refused to leave the house, so she gave up
trying to persuade them.

You may be short of imagination, Bob, but don't try and project it onto
us as absolute truth. You're not in possession of that, and neither is
anyone else.

*sigh* I remember when you started posting here... you seemed so
amusing, so promising... What happened, Bob? What happened?

Several years of dealing with lying animal abusing trolls.

...and as far as I can see, that constitutes the majority the newsgroup.
Ever wonder about that, Bob? Ever stop to think that just perhaps a
newsgroup does not find itself populated almost exclusively by lying
trolls - especially not lying trolls who seem perfectly capable of
getting on with everyone else in the newsgroup and not insisting that
their opinions are fact - until you, the vessel of ultimate revelation,
arrives to set it to rights? Ever considered that just perhaps it might
be you that's in the wrong?
--
Gwenhwyfaer (emails need [Private] in the subject)

some girls wander by themselves

On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 14:08:23 +0000, Jacqueline
wrote:

On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 14:07:19 +0000, Bob Brenchley.
wrote:

On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 11:44:20 +0000, Jacqueline
wrote:
As I've said *REPEATEDLY* I can give you evidence - what evidence do
you need? I'll happily provide.

There is no evidence needed,

Thank you, that's all we needed to know )

I'd like to see your 'evidence' too. And not just the cut & paste
stock answer you've been purporting for the past x years either.

The answer fits. There have been a few trolls who have tried to rip it
apart, but as it is based on facts they have never succeeded.

Your facts are out of date.

No, they are bang up to date.

Sorry troll, you lost.

--
Bob.

Education would be your best defense, at the moment you are totally
defenseless.

On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 14:08:23 +0000, Jacqueline
wrote:

On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 14:07:19 +0000, Bob Brenchley.
wrote:

On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 11:44:20 +0000, Jacqueline
wrote:
As I've said *REPEATEDLY* I can give you evidence - what evidence do
you need? I'll happily provide.

There is no evidence needed,

Thank you, that's all we needed to know )

I'd like to see your 'evidence' too. And not just the cut & paste
stock answer you've been purporting for the past x years either.

The answer fits. There have been a few trolls who have tried to rip it
apart, but as it is based on facts they have never succeeded.

Your facts are out of date.

No, they are bang up to date.

Sorry troll, you lost.

--
Bob.

Education would be your best defense, at the moment you are totally
defenseless.

On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 16:42:09 +0000, Gwenhwyfaer de Tierveil
wrote:

Quoth Bob Brenchley.:
There is no evidence needed, you have proved by your words that you
are either a liar or a troll.

There we are. A clear offer of evidence refused.

There is no evidence needed, she has already proved herself a liar and
a troll.

No, Bob, it doesn't work like that. When someone very clearly has a
quite different opinion and experience than you, it verges on the
sociopathic to just start calling them a liar.

When someone claims something you know to be untrue it is quite normal
to call them a liar.

Saying "that's not my
experience" is perfectly acceptable, because it allows for the
difference - saying "you're a liar" without a full investigation only
demonstrates that you regard any experience differing from your own as
non-existent,

In this case it is. She was given ample opportunity to back out of the
hole she was digging, but eventually you just have to fill it in.

which is quite divergent from what most people would
regard as normal, social behaviour. Unless you know, intimately, every
case handled by every office of every protection agency in the UK, and
are utterly sure that local offices don't diverge in practice (for
example, because local environments vary), you can't possibly know that
you're correct - which is what is required before you start screaming
"liar".

I can state, for the record, the fact that none of the UK's major
shelters (RSPCA, Cats Protection and Battersea) nor most of the
smaller ones that for various reasons affiliate with the big boys,
will normally rehome a healthy cat to an indoor only environment. This
has been confirmed on numerous occasions by people who work at the
grass roots level - actually finding homes for cats.

--
Bob.

You have not been charged for this lesson. Please pass it to all your
friends so they may learn as well.

On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 16:42:09 +0000, Gwenhwyfaer de Tierveil
wrote:

Quoth Bob Brenchley.:
There is no evidence needed, you have proved by your words that you
are either a liar or a troll.

There we are. A clear offer of evidence refused.

There is no evidence needed, she has already proved herself a liar and
a troll.

No, Bob, it doesn't work like that. When someone very clearly has a
quite different opinion and experience than you, it verges on the
sociopathic to just start calling them a liar.

When someone claims something you know to be untrue it is quite normal
to call them a liar.

Saying "that's not my
experience" is perfectly acceptable, because it allows for the
difference - saying "you're a liar" without a full investigation only
demonstrates that you regard any experience differing from your own as
non-existent,

In this case it is. She was given ample opportunity to back out of the
hole she was digging, but eventually you just have to fill it in.

which is quite divergent from what most people would
regard as normal, social behaviour. Unless you know, intimately, every
case handled by every office of every protection agency in the UK, and
are utterly sure that local offices don't diverge in practice (for
example, because local environments vary), you can't possibly know that
you're correct - which is what is required before you start screaming
"liar".

I can state, for the record, the fact that none of the UK's major
shelters (RSPCA, Cats Protection and Battersea) nor most of the
smaller ones that for various reasons affiliate with the big boys,
will normally rehome a healthy cat to an indoor only environment. This
has been confirmed on numerous occasions by people who work at the
grass roots level - actually finding homes for cats.

--
Bob.

You have not been charged for this lesson. Please pass it to all your
friends so they may learn as well.

On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 16:52:22 +0000, Gwenhwyfaer de Tierveil
wrote:

Quoth Bob Brenchley.:
You're making that claim - prove it. Jacqueline has offered evidence
for hers.

Strange, I've seen no evidence which carries any weight from her.

You've refused all offers of documentary evidence. If you're going to
claim there's nothing to see, it's more believable if you have your eyes
open at the time.

There is no evidence to see.

Given her stance, that she has had healthy cats placed in her care by
Cats Protection, with CP knowing in advance that she will be keeping
them indoors 24/7, we are left with only two alternatives that fit
reality. Either she is lying and the cats are not normal healthy cats,
or she is just trolling (another form of lying).

No we're not left with two alternatives; we're left with at least 5
other ones:

(a) she may have a mansion, in which case the floor space indoors is
probably larger than most cats will have access to outdoors.

Irrelevant, it is still indoors.

(b) her local office may differ from the norm in policy.

No, policy is set higher up.

(c) your local office may differ from the norm in policy.

See above.

(d) the cats have been kept indoors all their life, they're about 5, and
whilst perfectly happy and healthy, they're timid.

If they have been kept in all there lives they would go to someone
experience in handling such cases. Someone like me. It can take months
to build an older cat's confidence in the outside world, but the
results are so rewarding I'm happy to spend whatever time is needed.

(e) the cats consistently refused to leave the house, so she gave up
trying to persuade them.

That would be a sign of mental illness that needs treating. See above.

You may be short of imagination, Bob, but don't try and project it onto
us as absolute truth. You're not in possession of that, and neither is
anyone else.

You have a very vivid imagination, but not one that fits very well
with the real world.

*sigh* I remember when you started posting here... you seemed so
amusing, so promising... What happened, Bob? What happened?

Several years of dealing with lying animal abusing trolls.

...and as far as I can see, that constitutes the majority the newsgroup.
Ever wonder about that, Bob? Ever stop to think that just perhaps a
newsgroup does not find itself populated almost exclusively by lying
trolls - especially not lying trolls who seem perfectly capable of
getting on with everyone else in the newsgroup and not insisting that
their opinions are fact - until you, the vessel of ultimate revelation,
arrives to set it to rights? Ever considered that just perhaps it might
be you that's in the wrong?

You will find that there are a lot of other cat lovers out there, and
most of them will confirm all that I've said.

--
Bob.

I see you've set aside this special time to humiliate yourself in
public.