Mingy's Second Trip to the Hospital

I'm going to try to type up what transpired, but my daughter want
the computer.

First, you know how folks here have spoken of how little vets know
about nutrition? I had a good lesson in that. Remember I was
initially given a bag of the dry Hill's c/d. I asked about dry
vs. wet and the vet preferred dried--even though Mingy's urine
needs to be diluted.

Well, today when I called the hospital, the vet I spoke with
mentioned the importance of canned food. I asked about the s/d,
and she said it was to dissolve stones, not crystals. Later, I
got another vet at the hospital, and he gave us canned c/d, s/d
and some Eukanuba. (One can of each, which isn't going to tell me
much.) He said the s/d was "better quality" then the c/d!!!!
Nothing about dissolving the crystals, nothing about using s/d
first.....

They all did agree that the important thing is that Mingy eat and
drink.

He did not think Mingy was blocked, but thinks he is having
bladder spasms. He prescribed 2.5 mg of Dibenzyline to be given
twice a day. We have failed at our first effort, so I think I'll
get a pill popper tomorrow.

He also had someone teach me to do subcutaneous injections of
fluid, so at least Mingy will be producing more urine. I do
wonder how they will ever decide they are thirsty and want to
drink if they are receiving this???????????

Oh, the culture came back, and it was negative for bacteria.
FWIW, Vet #2, who said s/d was for stones, not crystals, also said
that only stones have oxalate interiors. I gather, then, that in
their opinion, a quick look in the microscope is sufficient.

I guess I have to get off, but I will say at least I'm feeling
better for a little while anyway (even though a lot of this seemed
rather specious), and at least Mingy is here.
--
Jean B.

He prescribed 2.5 mg of Dibenzyline to
be given twice a day.

The dose of Dibenzyline for cats is .25 mg per pound *once* per day or
12 mg per pound twice per day. It should also be given with food. The
dose your vet prescribed is an overdose (unless your cat is 20 lbs)
which can result in low blood pressure, increased heart rate, vomiting,
lethargy and shock. I'm really starting to question the competency of
some of the vets at this clinic. Also, regarding the "explanation" for
what happened to Mingy's claw, I would absolutely *not* accept that and
would go straight to the top and demand not only an explanation, but
some sort of compensation as that is inexcusable.

In the meantime, take a quick run over to amazon.con and purchase this
book (it's a great resource and could potentially save your cats life):
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...books&n=507846

Megan



"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing."

-Edmund Burke

Learn The TRUTH About Declawing
http://www.stopdeclaw.com

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"Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one
elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and
splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then
providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision,
raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and
material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his
way."

- W.H. Murray

On Thu 27 Jan 2005 09:15:45p, Jean B. wrote in
rec.pets.cats.health+behav ):

He also had someone teach me to do subcutaneous injections of
fluid, so at least Mingy will be producing more urine. I do
wonder how they will ever decide they are thirsty and want to
drink if they are receiving this???????????

Don't worry too much, they don't. The subQ fluids are a substitute
for drinking. Sort of like a diet of all canned food is sometimes
also a substitute for drinking water (natural).

Glad you're communicating with the vet(s) even if its frustrating.
The problem I keep having is trying to convey what I've read vs.
the vets education and/or beliefs, and short of finding another vet
just because we disagree about food, I tend to try to keep my own
thoughts on this based on my own research. When she tried to tell
me to feed dry food to bulk up the diet to "cure" diarrhea, I knew
I needed to keep to my own beliefs (that dry food is harder on the
stomach than canned. Some vets think a wet runny food causes wet
runny stools ... automatically).

--
Cheryl

I wrote:
The dose of Dibenzyline for cats is .25
mg per pound *once* per day or 12 mg
per pound twice per day.

That should read .12

Megan- who missed a period... ;-)



"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing."

-Edmund Burke

Learn The TRUTH About Declawing
http://www.stopdeclaw.com

Zuzu's Cats Photo Album:
http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22

"Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one
elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and
splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then
providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision,
raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and
material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his
way."

- W.H. Murray

On Thu 27 Jan 2005 10:48:23p, wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav
):

I wrote:
The dose of Dibenzyline for cats is .25
mg per pound *once* per day or 12 mg
per pound twice per day.

That should read .12

Megan- who missed a period... ;-)

lmao

--
Cheryl

wrote:

He prescribed 2.5 mg of Dibenzyline to
be given twice a day.

The dose of Dibenzyline for cats is .25 mg per pound *once* per day or
12 mg per pound twice per day. It should also be given with food. The
dose your vet prescribed is an overdose (unless your cat is 20 lbs)
which can result in low blood pressure, increased heart rate, vomiting,
lethargy and shock. I'm really starting to question the competency of
some of the vets at this clinic. Also, regarding the "explanation" for
what happened to Mingy's claw, I would absolutely *not* accept that and
would go straight to the top and demand not only an explanation, but
some sort of compensation as that is inexcusable.

In the meantime, take a quick run over to amazon.con and purchase this
book (it's a great resource and could potentially save your cats life):
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...books&n=507846

Megan



"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing."

-Edmund Burke

Learn The TRUTH About Declawing
http://www.stopdeclaw.com

Zuzu's Cats Photo Album:
http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22

"Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one
elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and
splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then
providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision,
raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and
material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his
way."

- W.H. Murray


Oh crud! I am glad we failed in administering this last night.
Mingy weighed ten pounds before all this started and must weigh
less now. :-( And the bottle is in front of me, and that is what
it says. And nothing about food. Here my first impression of
this place was good, and now it has dropped precipitously. I am
going to have as bad an opinion of vets as I fo of doctors. :-(
Still, I need to find a place for emergencies--and after-hours
ones at that. More :-(
--
Jean B.

Cheryl wrote:

Don't worry too much, they don't. The subQ fluids are a substitute
for drinking. Sort of like a diet of all canned food is sometimes
also a substitute for drinking water (natural).

Glad you're communicating with the vet(s) even if its frustrating.
The problem I keep having is trying to convey what I've read vs.
the vets education and/or beliefs, and short of finding another vet
just because we disagree about food, I tend to try to keep my own
thoughts on this based on my own research. When she tried to tell
me to feed dry food to bulk up the diet to "cure" diarrhea, I knew
I needed to keep to my own beliefs (that dry food is harder on the
stomach than canned. Some vets think a wet runny food causes wet
runny stools ... automatically).

--
Cheryl

But don't you run into a problem if you need prescription foods of
some ilk? Can you just walk into the vet's office and say I want
some of this type? And can one order such stuff online? I know I
can order the brands not found in the vet's office online, and now
that I have heard such vastly different claims from the vets, I am
more inclined to do that.
--
Jean B.

Oh crud! I am glad we failed in
administering this last night. Mingy
weighed ten pounds before all this started
and must weigh less now. :-(

If he weighs a little less than 10 pounds you should still be ok to give
him a 2.5 mg dose of this medication. Just make sure to only give it
*once* a day.

http://www.marvistavet.com/html/pilling_a_cat.html

Megan



"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing."

-Edmund Burke

Learn The TRUTH About Declawing
http://www.stopdeclaw.com

Zuzu's Cats Photo Album:
http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22

"Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one
elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and
splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then
providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision,
raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and
material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his
way."

- W.H. Murray

wrote:
If he weighs a little less than 10 pounds you should still be ok to give
him a 2.5 mg dose of this medication. Just make sure to only give it
*once* a day.

http://www.marvistavet.com/html/pilling_a_cat.html

Megan

I was thinking of doing that, for a variety of reasons. The vet
said I could cut back to 1 dose, but I would prefer not to have
him experience side effects before I decide to do that.

--
Jean B.

On 2005-01-28, penned:
He prescribed 2.5 mg of Dibenzyline to be given twice a day.

The dose of Dibenzyline for cats is .25 mg per pound *once* per day or 12 mg
per pound twice per day. It should also be given with food. The dose your

For the archives, that should be 0.25 and 0.12, right? not 12?

--
monique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!*