So what's happening Conan?

"Cheryl" wrote in message
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On Tue 28 Jun 2005 09:40:34p, PawsForThought wrote in
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Oh please! Philip dumped the cat because the cat had a cold and
he didn't want to pay the vet bill. I don't think he ever
really wanted Conan to begin with. He came on here posting
about how he wanted a Bengal cat, but I think because some
people were encouraging him to adopt, he thought he make himself
out to be some sort of hero. Now if you really care, STFU

I have to disagree Lauren. It might have been about a vet bill, but
I think from what I read, it was more about the care it took
between the meds and the force-feeding. I'm not going to beat a
dead horse, but many people don't expect to adopt a cat that after
a week or so they can't nurse back to health. If over ones head,
grab a life preserver. (gosh, I sound like Barry now) People
expecting to adopt a young healthy cat don't expect to have to deal
with illness that makes them force-feed. It can be overwhelming.

I also think he got the message from everyone about shelter cats
needing homes and now he's probably got a bad taste in his mouth by
doing so, when he could have had all the health interaction with
the breeder had he bought a Bengal.

--
Cheryl

The kennel cough and possible(?) reaction to the entire vaccination package
and God knows whatever else combined to convince my vet (at the time) to
make her recommendation to return Conan. The experience HAS soured me on
ever recommending a shelter rescue. That is for sure. Kitten Omar ...
sniffles and sneezing for 6 days. But Omar did not lose his appetite or
exhibit any of the other symptoms Conan exhibited. The Bengal breeder I
visited expressed the same reservations / distrust of excessive and
potentially dangerous prophylatic vaccinations as you all. Plus, her cats
were all in large, outdoor cages, the likes of which one could walk around
in.

"KellyH" wrote in message
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"-L." wrote
Honestly, I don't give a **** - they either do or they don't. But
Conan wasn't any more "speshul" than any other cat lingering in the
shelters. All this brou-ha-ha only came about because of Phillip -
and the "rescue club"'s need to vilify him.


No, he's not. I decided to help in my limited capacity because it's a cat
I knew, in a way. I know that might sound lame, but there it is. It was
in no way to vilify Philip.

SAY WHAAAAT? Let me pick my jaw off the desk!

I and others on here tried to help Philip through nursing Conan back,
encourage him that Conan will get over it, it is just a URI. He did not
post about the vet giving him such a dire prediction and high cost
estimate until after he returned Conan. He also stated that the shelter
was a high-kill facility. From what we know now about the shelter, it
doesn't sound that high kill.

The resentment EXPLODED the moment I made a decision, based on my vet's
examination of Conan. None of the people here laid hands on Conan.
Remember that. Also, who amoung you is a vet? Or asked specific questions
from a DVM perspective?

What did I get in return for trying to help Philip? I got called a stupid
woman and other insults. I never once insulted his age, although I think
he did **** me off enough to say **** off or something like that. Oh, I
called him Archie Bunker for making racist comments in the police/drug
dealer thread, that was before Conan.

That's ok. LOL

I'm glad that Conan was rescued, and I'm still doing what I can here to
help the local cats. I had no ego involved in trying to help Conan. I
committed the sin of wanting to know more about Charlie before we went to
such extrodinary lengths to get the cat to him. Forgive me for wanting to
screen a potential home, but that's all water under the bridge now.

--
-Kelly

What you did is 'kin to continued voicing of a dissenting opinion after the
decision has been made to go to war.

Rhonda ... what qualifications do you posses to act as judge and jury over
what is sufficent expression of compassion? You've been watching too many
soap operas.


"Rhonda" wrote in message
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I guess I take some offense to the last sentence. I was part of the "rescue
club" and spent quite a bit of time on it. I did not do that to vilify
Philip, although I've made it clear I did not agree with his decision. I
wanted Conan out of there, he had too much bad luck for one little cat.

Philip's attitude after taking Conan back showed no signs of compassion.
That topic is a dead horse for sure, but Conan needed help.

Rhonda


-L. wrote:


Honestly, I don't give a **** - they either do or they don't. But
Conan wasn't any more "speshul" than any other cat lingering in the
shelters. All this brou-ha-ha only came about because of Phillip -
and the "rescue club"'s need to vilify him.

-L.

"Philip" wrote in message
news

"Mary" wrote in message
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"-L." wrote in message
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biggerbadderbarry wrote:

I hardly think a common cold takes an animal off of it's feet, do
you?
The little fella couldn't walk or nothing, he had more than a cold.

Conan was aslo striken by his vaccine. I am no vet, but I said in the
beginning, the cat should not have gotten a vaccine when it did. I am
sure his white cell count was already through the roof with a fever.

No, he should not have.


The thing that spoke the most to me is when Philip told about the
snot
flying in his face...and all over the apartment. Now here is a truck
driver, doing extensive feedings and medications. This appeared to
him,
as well as his vet to be more than a cold. The only people who
diagnozed the cat with a cold was this group. That's funny.

No,it's sad.


In conclusion: Let's not re-write the facts.

Thank you. For once, you actually make sense.

-L.


Wahahahahaha! You have been reduced to allying with the
rpchb Village Idiot. Any port in a storm, eh Lynnie? lol


Well, it is time to put you back in the kill file, Mary.


Well, try not to hurt yourself doing it, Philip.
I was talking about Barry, but you're in the same league
so what the hell.

Mary wrote:

Well, try not to hurt yourself doing it, Philip.
I was talking about Barry, but you're in the same league
so what the hell.

You may as well hate me, cause you damn sho can't have me.

Hell, I'll even give you a reason if it helps.

Diane wrote:
In article . com,
"biggerbadderbarry" wrote:

The thing that spoke the most to me is when Philip told about the snot
flying in his face...and all over the apartment. Now here is a truck
driver, doing extensive feedings and medications. This appeared to him,
as well as his vet to be more than a cold.

But not to the shelter veterinarians. His veterinarian did not suggest
he get a second opinion, nor did he seek one. When Pudge stopped eating
once, my veterinarian tried appropriate antibiotics, then offered to
bring in a specialist to look down her throat. I agreed. Fortunately,
the third antibiotic did the trick.

By Philip's logic, a few days after she stopped eating I should have
tossed her back onto the streets from whence she came since the illness
was so hard to "handle" and the veterinarian couldn't fix it right away.
And since it was costing me money.


That's hearsay, I've never taken Philip for this kind of person.
What kind of person makes false claims about another person.


Or when Hodge developed a sudden fever on a Saturday, necessitating a
$600 visit to the emergency hospital, catheter, antibiotics, follow-up,
etc., I should have returned him to my veterinarian (from whom I'd
gotten him) as defective.

Pudge used to get colds. Yes, the snot flies. That's what a cold is.

I paid a couple of thousand for her end-of-life care. I'd do the same
for any responsibility I'd taken on.

Diane I don't doubt your care for you cats, I too will do what I am
able if I'm ever faced with it. I always do.


The only people who
diagnozed the cat with a cold was this group. That's funny.

What did the shelter veterinarians diagnose him with since they found
him to be healthy?

Does this include the medicine, love, and all the feedings Philip
administered? Like it or not, Philip was a part of the cats recovery.
He was nearing a deadline, and Philip himself said, he did not want to
nurse a sick cat with his remaining days on earth. DENOTING, he was
prepared to COMMIT to the cat for life. You say nothing of this.

What Philip did, he counted the cost. He said, No, If the potential is
there for me to have to care for him for the rest of my life, then "I
have seen the futre", I wants a healthy cat. A soul for a soul! This
was.
One went in, and one came out.

Animals, like children and spouses, are a responsibility. If Philip
can't handle a minor illness, which this was since it wore off pretty
quickly and since the shelter veterinarians didn't seem to quarantine
him or freak out, then he should not have gotten another cat. Heaven
help it should it get sick, which it will, because living organisms do,
you know.

Don't lecture me about responsibility! Like I say, Philip made an
exchange, and he was wise in counting the cost. He only had the facts
given to him by professionals.

In conclusion: Let's not re-write the facts.

In conclusion: I won't if you won't.

Little up-town girl livin in whitebred world.

Philip wrote:

Rhonda ... what qualifications do you posses to act as judge and jury over
what is sufficent expression of compassion?


Good question. Let's see -- saying something even remotely like "I hated
to see him go back" or "I had such a hard time taking him back" or even
"I hope I did the right thing, it was such a tough decision". This is a
long shot, but maybe "I got tears in my eyes when I handed over the
carrier." Instead, one day you announced that you were waiting for
Conan's "replacement" to be able to leave the shelter, and made comments
like why didn't I realize that short-time ownership made it much easier
to take him back?

You've been watching too many soap operas.


Only this one.

Rhonda

"Mary" wrote in message
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"Philip" wrote:


It is so neat. Nobody needs to do anything to *make* you look bad.
All anyone has to do is sit back and watch you do it yourself. I wish
everything were this easy. *~sigh~*

A classic example of self destruction is yourself ... day in ... day out.
Mary is her own worst enemy.


Hee! Whatever makes you feel better, Philip. BTW--Katherine
duped you. She volunteered your full name. I did not ask. And
it was not one of her underlings.

Another one of your manipulations, Mary. Excuse me, *lies*

"Trish Dunphy" wrote in message
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"Cheryl" wrote in message
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I also think he got the message from everyone about shelter cats
needing homes and now he's probably got a bad taste in his mouth by
doing so, when he could have had all the health interaction with
the breeder had he bought a Bengal.

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This would be a viable reason had he not gotten a kitten at the dropoff
point for Conan. If it was the words about shelter cats that made him
return Conan then why adopt another immediately. Sorry, but your
reasoning
isn't logical here.

Trish

You make fatal assumption when you say "If it was the words about shelter
cats that made him return Conan..." Did you miss the part about Conan being
sick?

OC Shelter does not give refunds on adoptions. Only exchanges. And you
only get two of those, for a total of three animals. Monday that I returned
Conan, it was suggested I check the "Showcase Arrivals" which were a couple
of litters from foster homes in separate cages. So, with the vested money
as it was, I chose a fresh kitten for several reasons. So far, so good.

On 28 Jun 2005 17:28:14 -0700, "-L." wrote:



Helen wrote:
I've come in on the tail end and have absolutely no idea what is going on.
He's a cute little guy and I'm glad he's safe, but I've no idea why he's
been chosen to be saved above all the thousands of other cats in US
shelters. It seems people here have formed an attachment to him but I still
don't know why.

Helen

Phillip. That's why. They are so much in hatred of Phillip they want
to be "Conan's Savior". Because you see, what Phillip did - returning
a cat to a shelter when he clearly couldn't handle the cat - an action
that the shelter recommends, in fact - is so "EVIL!" That's the only
reason. If they really cared, they'd put as much time, effort and
money into their local shelters, every week of every year. Like many
others on the group do.


I can't speak for anybody else, but I can tell you why *I* wanted to
rescue him.

Because he was introduced to this group as a new family member. Just
as I posted when I adopted Jay Jay. I came on, talked great about him,
posted pics, etc.

When somebody here talks about their cats, tells us stories of their
behavior, and posts pictures, we come to think of them as family. We
get attached even though we haven't met them in person.

And that is what happened to me. I identified with Phillips happy
stories and great new adopted cat. And I saw pics that look like my
sister's cat. So, I felt like this cat was part of the family.

And then I learned that he was back in a shelter, and possibly already
put down. I was in tears, and couldn't sleep that night. I was
relieved when we learned he was alive and had some time, but it has
gotten worse as the time clicked by with no adoption.

Last night, I was really upset as it looked like plans were being
abandoned. I was relieved when I was told privately, that plans were
in motion. And I am thrilled to hear that he is out of the shelter.

For me, it was personal. I feel sorry for the thousands of anonymous
cats out there in shelters. But I get personally attached when I see
them and learn about them as individuals.


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