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"Charlie Wilkes" wrote in message Drowning is a chicken**** way to get rid of cats. People do it out here. Really? As compared to what, something like bashing an animals head in with a shovel? You risk missing the mark or not hitting it properly in one blow causing even more pain. While a gun is the quickest way, your living on an island makes using a gun a lot easier to use than discharging one in a populated area where the noise can cause repercussions from neighbours and ultimately the police. As well, the majority of people do not own a gun, not even close. Drowning (or suffocation as it might be called) brings on unconsciousness within a few seconds. An animal does not know to take a big breath like a human might. Unconsciousness happens in less than 10 seconds without preparing with lungs full of air to start. The struggling is an instinctive reaction, not a voluntary one. An injured animal that needs to be euthanized is already in terror to the extreme. It can't become any worse, all that needs to be done is to stop that terror as fast as possible. Debate it all you want, but do a little investigation first (like research ) before you dismiss it due to lack knowledge. |
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On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 02:36:11 -0400, Upscale wrote:
Drowning (or suffocation as it might be called) brings on unconsciousness within a few seconds. An animal does not know to take a big breath like a human might. Unconsciousness happens in less than 10 seconds What is your source for this information? I don't believe it. A neighbor of mine had a problem with feral cats nesting under his deck, and he drowned some of them years ago. He said they would struggle for a good 3 minutes, and after about the second or third one, he started shooting them instead. Charlie |
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On 17 Aug, 20:08, Charlie Wilkes
wrote: On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 02:36:11 -0400, Upscale wrote: Drowning (or suffocation as it might be called) brings on unconsciousness within a few seconds. An animal does not know to take a big breath like a human might. Unconsciousness happens in less than 10 seconds What is your source for this information? I don't believe it. A neighbor of mine had a problem with feral cats nesting under his deck, and he drowned some of them years ago. He said they would struggle for a good 3 minutes, and after about the second or third one, he started shooting them instead. Charlie This would concur with what I witnessed. Slightly less in pure fact. They were only kittens, & he had to find & catch them first too It was dreadful & something I never wish to see or support again!! ( Sheelagh "o" |
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On Aug 17, 2:08 pm, Charlie Wilkes
wrote: On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 02:36:11 -0400, Upscale wrote: Drowning (or suffocation as it might be called) brings on unconsciousness within a few seconds. An animal does not know to take a big breath like a human might. Unconsciousness happens in less than 10 seconds What is your source for this information? I don't believe it. A neighbor of mine had a problem with feral cats nesting under his deck, and he drowned some of them years ago. He said they would struggle for a good 3 minutes, and after about the second or third one, he started shooting them instead. Charlie I have a hard time believing it too. It came to our attention that a animal control in a neighboring town was trapping skunks, and drowning them in the traps. I lobbied hard over this. I don't care if they *are* skunks, I thought it was a terrible, frightening, and inhumane way to die. Sherry |
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"Charlie Wilkes" wrote in message good 3 minutes, and after about the second or third one, he started shooting them instead. Unconsciousness happens in a few seconds, but yes the involuntary struggles or twitches can take longer. The point is that the animal would be unconscious and not feeling any pain. Isn't that the point of euthanasia in any form, to curtail pain? |
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On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 12:16:10 -0400, Upscale wrote:
"Charlie Wilkes" wrote in message good 3 minutes, and after about the second or third one, he started shooting them instead. Unconsciousness happens in a few seconds, but yes the involuntary struggles or twitches can take longer. The point is that the animal would be unconscious and not feeling any pain. Isn't that the point of euthanasia in any form, to curtail pain? What is the source of your information? Charlie |
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On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 21:08:57 -0700, Sherry wrote:
On Aug 17, 2:08 pm, Charlie Wilkes wrote: On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 02:36:11 -0400, Upscale wrote: Drowning (or suffocation as it might be called) brings on unconsciousness within a few seconds. An animal does not know to take a big breath like a human might. Unconsciousness happens in less than 10 seconds What is your source for this information? I don't believe it. A neighbor of mine had a problem with feral cats nesting under his deck, and he drowned some of them years ago. He said they would struggle for a good 3 minutes, and after about the second or third one, he started shooting them instead. Charlie I have a hard time believing it too. It came to our attention that a animal control in a neighboring town was trapping skunks, and drowning them in the traps. I lobbied hard over this. I don't care if they *are* skunks, I thought it was a terrible, frightening, and inhumane way to die. Sherry Mark Twain said this: "It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so." It's easy enough to research topics like this on the web and find out what the experts think. The American Veterinary Medical Association's Guidelines on Euthanasia (June 2007) can be found he http://www.avma.org/issues/animal_we...euthanasia.pdf Drowning is listed in "Appendix 4 - Some Unacceptable Agents and Methods of Euthanasia" with the comment, "Drowning is not a form of euthanasia and is inhumane." Charlie |
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Charlie Wilkes writes:
On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 21:08:57 -0700, Sherry wrote: On Aug 17, 2:08 pm, Charlie Wilkes wrote: On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 02:36:11 -0400, Upscale wrote: Drowning (or suffocation as it might be called) brings on unconsciousness within a few seconds. An animal does not know to take a big breath like a human might. Unconsciousness happens in less than 10 seconds What is your source for this information? I don't believe it. A neighbor of mine had a problem with feral cats nesting under his deck, and he drowned some of them years ago. He said they would struggle for a good 3 minutes, and after about the second or third one, he started shooting them instead. Charlie I have a hard time believing it too. It came to our attention that a animal control in a neighboring town was trapping skunks, and drowning them in the traps. I lobbied hard over this. I don't care if they *are* skunks, I thought it was a terrible, frightening, and inhumane way to die. Sherry Mark Twain said this: "It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so." It's easy enough to research topics like this on the web and find out what the experts think. The American Veterinary Medical Association's Guidelines on Euthanasia (June 2007) can be found he http://www.avma.org/issues/animal_we...euthanasia.pdf Drowning is listed in "Appendix 4 - Some Unacceptable Agents and Methods of Euthanasia" with the comment, "Drowning is not a form of euthanasia and is inhumane." Note that those are guidelines for vets. In a veterinary context there are many methods available that bring on sudden death or allow for the animal to be sedated first. |
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"Dan Espen" wrote in message Drowning is listed in "Appendix 4 - Some Unacceptable Agents and Methods of Euthanasia" with the comment, "Drowning is not a form of euthanasia and is inhumane." Note that those are guidelines for vets. In a veterinary context there are many methods available that bring on sudden death or allow for the animal to be sedated first. Thank you. I never said that there weren't easier and more acceptable methods of euthanasia. All I was trying to get across was that when an animal was in extreme agony and distress and the more accepted methods of putting an animal down were not immediately available, then I consider it more humane to use a fairly quick method to kill the animal. Despite the squeamishness of some of the respondents in this conversation, drowning is a relatively quick method. As to the person that was requesting my source for this information, my source works in the veterinary industry, but has absolutely no intent on becoming personally involved in this conversation. If that's not good enough for you, then feel perfectly free to research the topic yourself and present your information to the contrary. (with your sources for that information of course) |
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On 19 Aug, 08:41, "Upscale" wrote:
"Dan Espen" wrote in message Drowning is listed in "Appendix 4 - Some Unacceptable Agents and Methods of Euthanasia" with the comment, "Drowning is not a form of euthanasia and is inhumane." Note that those are guidelines for vets. In a veterinary context there are many methods available that bring on sudden death or allow for the animal to be sedated first. Thank you. I never said that there weren't easier and more acceptable methods of euthanasia. All I was trying to get across was that when an animal was in extreme agony and distress and the more accepted methods of putting an animal down were not immediately available, then I consider it more humane to use a fairly quick method to kill the animal. Despite the squeamishness of some of the respondents in this conversation, drowning is a relatively quick method. As to the person that was requesting my source for this information, my source works in the veterinary industry, but has absolutely no intent on becoming personally involved in this conversation. If that's not good enough for you, then feel perfectly free to research the topic yourself and present your information to the contrary. (with your sources for that information of course) If that's not good enough for you, then feel perfectly free to research the topic yourself and present your information to the contrary. (with your sources for that information of course) I believe he did, in appendix 4, if you wish to read it. If you follow the link, you will see his findings in the research he went to the trouble of producing. It would seem that I am one of those too squeamish to stick a kittens head in a bucket of water, & remain holding it there until the poor creatures struggles ceased. Perhaps you are right? I just don't have the stomach or confidence to try, for fear that I would be putting the poor kitten through further distress. You will understand what I mean when you take a look at the veterinary surgeons findings. Sheelagh"o" |
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