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Update: KFC
Just going through my 4596 unread posts to find a few to delete and I
noticed this. You are very insightful, Lee. I think you hit the nail right on the head. However I have some news. I waited 6 weeks in this stand-off with no communication. I debated with myself over what to do. I wondered if I still wanted her as a friend and could forgive her doubtful dog ethic - which surprised and shocked me- versus the hole in my life. So, with no intention whatsoever of apologising, I sent a brief e-mail to ask her if she still wanted to be friends. She does. She said we better not talk about it our mega-disagreement, perhaps it's not British. I know exactly what she means about this. However I said we will need to talk about it at some point but not yet as we are both too sensitive about it. At an early stage in our friendship we decided we must get The War out of the way so we discussed it ad infinitum. I was surprised to find how ashamed she was about it even though she was not born then. She is German and I am English. If we can do that, we can do this. Might take a while to get back the trust but we are taking it gradually, neither wanting to lose a great friendship for losing our temper a bit and being too proud to admit it. Maybe Annie's wonderful NDN songs for me not to lose my friend took a while to work ;-) Tweed "Stormmee" wrote in message ... she does know you are right, and honestly that is probably what is upsetting her, Lee Christina Websell wrote in message ... "Marina" wrote in message ... Christina Websell wrote: That is true. I was and am very touched and feel blessed when Annie sings for me. Resolute silence from the internet, still, from my friend. Maybe she got all she wanted from me. A few trips to England, expenses paid, a lot of coaching in English over 5 years and her excuse to say goodbye when I challenged her about why she seems to be going towards being a puppy farmer. I am gutted by being called "arrogant and rude" Am I? Maybe I am. I do have firm views which I sometimes post, is that arrogant and rude? I'm so sorry to read about this, Tweed. You two seemed to get on so very well, and she seemed like such a nice person. You have strong views and you're not shy about expressing them. That's not rude and arrogant, but if she has set her heart on something and can't see your take on the matter, she will interpret your behaviour as rude and arrogant. I hope, in time, she will think things through and come to see your viewpoint. I hope she does. I truly can't understand why she thinks I am not telling her good advice via far more experience than she has, as a friend. Ah, well. She will have to just stew in her own juice when it all goes wrong. I have 30 years of practical experience and she has 3 mainly through the internet and hers is better than mine. This is so upsetting. We have been great friends for 5 years. This is the second time she went ape****, and last time it was me that apologised when it was not my fault. I won't do it again. I am a good friend to have, frankly. I still have all my friends from 20 years ago. I am sad if we fall about about this but I know I am right and so does she. (not!) Tweed |
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if you are meant to be friends it will work out... you have no idea how
scared I was when I read the subject line for this... was fearing the worst for KFC, I am so glad it wasn't about her and I am pleased for you that you are both attempting to repair the friendship, Lee Christina Websell wrote in message ... Just going through my 4596 unread posts to find a few to delete and I noticed this. You are very insightful, Lee. I think you hit the nail right on the head. However I have some news. I waited 6 weeks in this stand-off with no communication. I debated with myself over what to do. I wondered if I still wanted her as a friend and could forgive her doubtful dog ethic - which surprised and shocked me- versus the hole in my life. So, with no intention whatsoever of apologising, I sent a brief e-mail to ask her if she still wanted to be friends. She does. She said we better not talk about it our mega-disagreement, perhaps it's not British. I know exactly what she means about this. However I said we will need to talk about it at some point but not yet as we are both too sensitive about it. At an early stage in our friendship we decided we must get The War out of the way so we discussed it ad infinitum. I was surprised to find how ashamed she was about it even though she was not born then. She is German and I am English. If we can do that, we can do this. Might take a while to get back the trust but we are taking it gradually, neither wanting to lose a great friendship for losing our temper a bit and being too proud to admit it. Maybe Annie's wonderful NDN songs for me not to lose my friend took a while to work ;-) Tweed "Stormmee" wrote in message ... she does know you are right, and honestly that is probably what is upsetting her, Lee Christina Websell wrote in message ... "Marina" wrote in message ... Christina Websell wrote: That is true. I was and am very touched and feel blessed when Annie sings for me. Resolute silence from the internet, still, from my friend. Maybe she got all she wanted from me. A few trips to England, expenses paid, a lot of coaching in English over 5 years and her excuse to say goodbye when I challenged her about why she seems to be going towards being a puppy farmer. I am gutted by being called "arrogant and rude" Am I? Maybe I am. I do have firm views which I sometimes post, is that arrogant and rude? I'm so sorry to read about this, Tweed. You two seemed to get on so very well, and she seemed like such a nice person. You have strong views and you're not shy about expressing them. That's not rude and arrogant, but if she has set her heart on something and can't see your take on the matter, she will interpret your behaviour as rude and arrogant. I hope, in time, she will think things through and come to see your viewpoint. I hope she does. I truly can't understand why she thinks I am not telling her good advice via far more experience than she has, as a friend. Ah, well. She will have to just stew in her own juice when it all goes wrong. I have 30 years of practical experience and she has 3 mainly through the internet and hers is better than mine. This is so upsetting. We have been great friends for 5 years. This is the second time she went ape****, and last time it was me that apologised when it was not my fault. I won't do it again. I am a good friend to have, frankly. I still have all my friends from 20 years ago. I am sad if we fall about about this but I know I am right and so does she. (not!) Tweed |
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Update: KFC
Christina Websell wrote:
However I have some news. I waited 6 weeks in this stand-off with no communication. I debated with myself over what to do. I wondered if I still wanted her as a friend and could forgive her doubtful dog ethic - which surprised and shocked me- versus the hole in my life. So, with no intention whatsoever of apologising, I sent a brief e-mail to ask her if she still wanted to be friends. She does... At an early stage in our friendship we decided we must get The War out of the way so we discussed it ad infinitum. I was surprised to find how ashamed she was about it even though she was not born then. She is German and I am English. If we can do that, we can do this. Might take a while to get back the trust but we are taking it gradually, neither wanting to lose a great friendship for losing our temper a bit and being too proud to admit it. Maybe Annie's wonderful NDN songs for me not to lose my friend took a while to work ;-) That is wonderful news. It would be terrible to lose a good friend over one disagreement, even if it's a big one. I hope you find a way through this. JOyce -- To send email to this address, remove the triple-X from my user name. |
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Sorry, I did not mean to scare you. I promise to start a new thread if there is anything to say about Kitty's health. She is still doing quite well, ate quite a bit today, demands at least one bowl of lactose-free milk with cream stirred in daily. I'm glad I found that stuff. She loves it and with the cream in I think it prevents her losing weight with her CRF on/off appetite. She is still perky. As for the friendship, yes, we are both working to repair it. She did say to me once "I hope Germans will not be too rude for a Brit" before I went to visit her. So, her friend, who has a canoe, canoe-d us (I know it's not a word..) all round Hamburg on the river. It was lovleh ;-) When we got back to the big shed thingie where she keeps her canoe parked up, there was a chap there who was tending to his superior canoe. My German is not good but I could tell that what he was saying was negative to Ushi who had taken me out for for a little canoe trip. I didn't even have to paddle it myself! as N was paddling in the front and Ushi at the back so I just sat there enjoying it. What he apparently said was " Your canoe is cheap rubbish compared with mine, are you poor, or something?" in 10,000 words. OMG, how rude is that? I was surprised that he escaped without harm when I found out, but apparently it's fairly normal there. So yes, Germans can be very rude as perceived by a Brit. Tweed "Stormmee" wrote in message ... if you are meant to be friends it will work out... you have no idea how scared I was when I read the subject line for this... was fearing the worst for KFC, I am so glad it wasn't about her and I am pleased for you that you are both attempting to repair the friendship, Lee Christina Websell wrote in message ... Just going through my 4596 unread posts to find a few to delete and I noticed this. You are very insightful, Lee. I think you hit the nail right on the head. However I have some news. I waited 6 weeks in this stand-off with no communication. I debated with myself over what to do. I wondered if I still wanted her as a friend and could forgive her doubtful dog ethic - which surprised and shocked me- versus the hole in my life. So, with no intention whatsoever of apologising, I sent a brief e-mail to ask her if she still wanted to be friends. She does. She said we better not talk about it our mega-disagreement, perhaps it's not British. I know exactly what she means about this. However I said we will need to talk about it at some point but not yet as we are both too sensitive about it. At an early stage in our friendship we decided we must get The War out of the way so we discussed it ad infinitum. I was surprised to find how ashamed she was about it even though she was not born then. She is German and I am English. If we can do that, we can do this. Might take a while to get back the trust but we are taking it gradually, neither wanting to lose a great friendship for losing our temper a bit and being too proud to admit it. Maybe Annie's wonderful NDN songs for me not to lose my friend took a while to work ;-) Tweed "Stormmee" wrote in message ... she does know you are right, and honestly that is probably what is upsetting her, Lee Christina Websell wrote in message ... "Marina" wrote in message ... Christina Websell wrote: That is true. I was and am very touched and feel blessed when Annie sings for me. Resolute silence from the internet, still, from my friend. Maybe she got all she wanted from me. A few trips to England, expenses paid, a lot of coaching in English over 5 years and her excuse to say goodbye when I challenged her about why she seems to be going towards being a puppy farmer. I am gutted by being called "arrogant and rude" Am I? Maybe I am. I do have firm views which I sometimes post, is that arrogant and rude? I'm so sorry to read about this, Tweed. You two seemed to get on so very well, and she seemed like such a nice person. You have strong views and you're not shy about expressing them. That's not rude and arrogant, but if she has set her heart on something and can't see your take on the matter, she will interpret your behaviour as rude and arrogant. I hope, in time, she will think things through and come to see your viewpoint. I hope she does. I truly can't understand why she thinks I am not telling her good advice via far more experience than she has, as a friend. Ah, well. She will have to just stew in her own juice when it all goes wrong. I have 30 years of practical experience and she has 3 mainly through the internet and hers is better than mine. This is so upsetting. We have been great friends for 5 years. This is the second time she went ape****, and last time it was me that apologised when it was not my fault. I won't do it again. I am a good friend to have, frankly. I still have all my friends from 20 years ago. I am sad if we fall about about this but I know I am right and so does she. (not!) Tweed |
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wrote in message ... That is wonderful news. It would be terrible to lose a good friend over one disagreement, even if it's a big one. I hope you find a way through this. I think we will. We both know how important this friendship is. How many people would be prepared (when we only met on a poultry ng in 01) to come over to help me when my mother was found dead in 03? On the bus from Germany. No flying. I said no at first but I was glad she insisted. She was a wonderful comfort to me at that time. Tweed |
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hers praying you never start that thread, and hoping your friendship can
improve, Lee Christina Websell wrote in message ... Sorry, I did not mean to scare you. I promise to start a new thread if there is anything to say about Kitty's health. She is still doing quite well, ate quite a bit today, demands at least one bowl of lactose-free milk with cream stirred in daily. I'm glad I found that stuff. She loves it and with the cream in I think it prevents her losing weight with her CRF on/off appetite. She is still perky. As for the friendship, yes, we are both working to repair it. She did say to me once "I hope Germans will not be too rude for a Brit" before I went to visit her. So, her friend, who has a canoe, canoe-d us (I know it's not a word..) all round Hamburg on the river. It was lovleh ;-) When we got back to the big shed thingie where she keeps her canoe parked up, there was a chap there who was tending to his superior canoe. My German is not good but I could tell that what he was saying was negative to Ushi who had taken me out for for a little canoe trip. I didn't even have to paddle it myself! as N was paddling in the front and Ushi at the back so I just sat there enjoying it. What he apparently said was " Your canoe is cheap rubbish compared with mine, are you poor, or something?" in 10,000 words. OMG, how rude is that? I was surprised that he escaped without harm when I found out, but apparently it's fairly normal there. So yes, Germans can be very rude as perceived by a Brit. Tweed "Stormmee" wrote in message ... if you are meant to be friends it will work out... you have no idea how scared I was when I read the subject line for this... was fearing the worst for KFC, I am so glad it wasn't about her and I am pleased for you that you are both attempting to repair the friendship, Lee Christina Websell wrote in message ... Just going through my 4596 unread posts to find a few to delete and I noticed this. You are very insightful, Lee. I think you hit the nail right on the head. However I have some news. I waited 6 weeks in this stand-off with no communication. I debated with myself over what to do. I wondered if I still wanted her as a friend and could forgive her doubtful dog ethic - which surprised and shocked me- versus the hole in my life. So, with no intention whatsoever of apologising, I sent a brief e-mail to ask her if she still wanted to be friends. She does. She said we better not talk about it our mega-disagreement, perhaps it's not British. I know exactly what she means about this. However I said we will need to talk about it at some point but not yet as we are both too sensitive about it. At an early stage in our friendship we decided we must get The War out of the way so we discussed it ad infinitum. I was surprised to find how ashamed she was about it even though she was not born then. She is German and I am English. If we can do that, we can do this. Might take a while to get back the trust but we are taking it gradually, neither wanting to lose a great friendship for losing our temper a bit and being too proud to admit it. Maybe Annie's wonderful NDN songs for me not to lose my friend took a while to work ;-) Tweed "Stormmee" wrote in message ... she does know you are right, and honestly that is probably what is upsetting her, Lee Christina Websell wrote in message ... "Marina" wrote in message ... Christina Websell wrote: That is true. I was and am very touched and feel blessed when Annie sings for me. Resolute silence from the internet, still, from my friend. Maybe she got all she wanted from me. A few trips to England, expenses paid, a lot of coaching in English over 5 years and her excuse to say goodbye when I challenged her about why she seems to be going towards being a puppy farmer. I am gutted by being called "arrogant and rude" Am I? Maybe I am. I do have firm views which I sometimes post, is that arrogant and rude? I'm so sorry to read about this, Tweed. You two seemed to get on so very well, and she seemed like such a nice person. You have strong views and you're not shy about expressing them. That's not rude and arrogant, but if she has set her heart on something and can't see your take on the matter, she will interpret your behaviour as rude and arrogant. I hope, in time, she will think things through and come to see your viewpoint. I hope she does. I truly can't understand why she thinks I am not telling her good advice via far more experience than she has, as a friend. Ah, well. She will have to just stew in her own juice when it all goes wrong. I have 30 years of practical experience and she has 3 mainly through the internet and hers is better than mine. This is so upsetting. We have been great friends for 5 years. This is the second time she went ape****, and last time it was me that apologised when it was not my fault. I won't do it again. I am a good friend to have, frankly. I still have all my friends from 20 years ago. I am sad if we fall about about this but I know I am right and so does she. (not!) Tweed |
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Christina Websell wrote:
wrote in message That is wonderful news. It would be terrible to lose a good friend over one disagreement, even if it's a big one. I hope you find a way through this. I think we will. We both know how important this friendship is. How many people would be prepared (when we only met on a poultry ng in 01) to come over to help me when my mother was found dead in 03? On the bus from Germany. No flying. I said no at first but I was glad she insisted. She was a wonderful comfort to me at that time. She certainly does sound like a keeper! Joyce -- To send email to this address, remove the triple-X from my user name. |
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Christina Websell wrote:
Sorry, I did not mean to scare you. I promise to start a new thread if there is anything to say about Kitty's health. She is still doing quite well, ate quite a bit today, demands at least one bowl of lactose-free milk with cream stirred in daily. I'm glad I found that stuff. She loves it and with the cream in I think it prevents her losing weight with her CRF on/off appetite. She is still perky. As for the friendship, yes, we are both working to repair it. She did say to me once "I hope Germans will not be too rude for a Brit" before I went to visit her. So, her friend, who has a canoe, canoe-d us (I know it's not a word..) all round Hamburg on the river. It was lovleh ;-) When we got back to the big shed thingie where she keeps her canoe parked up, there was a chap there who was tending to his superior canoe. My German is not good but I could tell that what he was saying was negative to Ushi who had taken me out for for a little canoe trip. I didn't even have to paddle it myself! as N was paddling in the front and Ushi at the back so I just sat there enjoying it. What he apparently said was " Your canoe is cheap rubbish compared with mine, are you poor, or something?" in 10,000 words. OMG, how rude is that? I was surprised that he escaped without harm when I found out, but apparently it's fairly normal there. So yes, Germans can be very rude as perceived by a Brit. Tweed It sounds like he was trying to compensate for a shortfall in another department. ;-) -- Adrian (Owned by Snoopy & Bagheera) Cats leave pawprints on your heart http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk |
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"Adrian" wrote in
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Outsider wrote:
"Adrian" wrote in om: It sounds like he was trying to compensate for a shortfall in another department. ;-) You suspect he had oar envy? If that's what you want to call it. ;-) -- Adrian (Owned by Snoopy & Bagheera) Cats leave pawprints on your heart http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk |
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