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Phil P. wrote:
"Brian Link" wrote in message ... Also I'd be happy to hear others' thoughts about adopting from a shelter vs adopting a purebred. As long as you adopt the cat from a kill shelter - it doesn't matter because you'll be saving a life and providing a companion for Tiger. If you plan to buy a 'purebred', first, you might want to take a stroll down death row of your local kill shelter and then see how those forsaken faces make you feel about buying a cat from a breeder who probably has a waiting list of buyers and can't churn out cats fast enough. Why do you ask? Does something not seem right about buying a cat from a breeder while millions of cats are killed every year because of the lack of homes? Perhaps we should apply this same line of thought with human beings... There are thousands if not millions of kids around the world without parents. Perhaps one should adopt a kid first rather than see other kids go through the early years without the support and benefit of parents. Once *all* the parentless kids have been adopted, only then should couples consider having their own kids. |
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"Joe Canuck" wrote
Perhaps we should apply this same line of thought with human beings... There are thousands if not millions of kids around the world without parents. Perhaps one should adopt a kid first rather than see other kids go through the early years without the support and benefit of parents. Once *all* the parentless kids have been adopted, only then should couples consider having their own kids. BTDT with this argument. Not the same. -- -Kelly kelly at farringtons dot net "Wake up, and smell the cat food" -TMBG |
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KellyH wrote:
"Joe Canuck" wrote Perhaps we should apply this same line of thought with human beings... There are thousands if not millions of kids around the world without parents. Perhaps one should adopt a kid first rather than see other kids go through the early years without the support and benefit of parents. Once *all* the parentless kids have been adopted, only then should couples consider having their own kids. BTDT with this argument. Not the same. Well, I think it is the same thing... just difference species. Why bring more kids into the world when there are already plenty who may be wondering where there next meal is coming from? Anyways, this is getting way off-topic. |
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Joe Canuck wrote: Perhaps we should apply this same line of thought with human beings... There are thousands if not millions of kids around the world without parents. Perhaps one should adopt a kid first rather than see other kids go through the early years without the support and benefit of parents. I agree whole-heartedly. Especially since non-renewable resources and our ability to deal with output are dwindling. Once *all* the parentless kids have been adopted, only then should couples consider having their own kids. I don't have any problem what-so-ever with that sentiment. -L. |
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Joe Canuck wrote: Well, I think it is the same thing... just difference species. Why bring more kids into the world when there are already plenty who may be wondering where there next meal is coming from? I have asked myself that question for years. For some people, genetics is important. For others, it's not. I don't really understand the former. But I also think most people mindlessly breed without even considering why - not to mention not ever considering adoption. That's sad because adoption is one of the most beautiful, life-enriching things one can do as a human being. -L. |
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On 2005-03-27, Mary penned:
"Monique Y. Mudama" wrote : You're asking a tough question here. For me, cats are cats regardless of breed, so I have to put the question to myself in terms of dogs, where variations are more significant to me. There are most certainly breeds of dogs that I like much better than others. I believe in the principle of generalization (kind of like the golden rule): this is one way that Kant proposed to evaluate whether or not something is moral. You simply pose yourself the question, if everyone were to do what I am considering, would I find the world to be a better or a worse place? Mo, surely you know that Kant's ethical proofs are entirely full of ****. His metaphysics are more defensible IMO. But most people think they are too. The principle of generalization is along the line of Aristotle's Doctrine of the Mean. Okay in a survey course but entirely indefensible in terms of proofs. Did you have these things as part of logic courses or Intro philosophy? Doesn't matter. Of all of the attempts to philosophize moral arguments, this is the only one that's actually been useful to me in daily life. And I actually have a minor in Philosophy, so while it's been a while, I certainly have studied more than just a survey course. It has its limitations, but asking yourself "What would happen if everyone acted as I did?" is a very good start in figuring out whether what you're thinking about doing is a good idea. I don't really care if it can be logically proven. Logic proofs are fun and neat, but in the end they always start from some assumption that can be argued, so even if there's no flaw in the logic, the proof itself won't convince someone who doesn't want to be convinced. If you have a better rule of thumb, let me know. In the meantime, it seems to me that this is exactly the reason that most of us choose shelter animals over breeding; in the realization that if everyone did this, breeders would go out of business and there would be fewer cats euthanized. Otherwise, buying vs. adopting a single cat wouldn't matter one whit in the grand scheme of things. -- monique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca |
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"-L." wrote in message oups.com... Joe Canuck wrote: Perhaps we should apply this same line of thought with human beings... There are thousands if not millions of kids around the world without parents. Perhaps one should adopt a kid first rather than see other kids go through the early years without the support and benefit of parents. I agree whole-heartedly. Especially since non-renewable resources and our ability to deal with output are dwindling. Once *all* the parentless kids have been adopted, only then should couples consider having their own kids. I don't have any problem what-so-ever with that sentiment. -L. Thanks. Guess I'm just a mindless breeder. You know I considered adoption vs. IVF very carefully. Adoption is not as easy as people seem to think it is, like you just fill out a form and someone hands you a child. It also costs thousands of dollars and the process can be emotionally taxing. I admit, I freaked going over the application. They want to know *everything* about you, and I do have some things from my past that are not exactly flattering and I would rather that no one knew about. Whatever, I don't have to defend my choice. -- -Kelly kelly at farringtons dot net "Wake up, and smell the cat food" -TMBG |
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KellyH wrote: Thanks. Guess I'm just a mindless breeder. No, you're not, based on your second sentence, below. I'm referring to people who don't give a second-thought about having unprotected sex and then say "ooops! I'm pregnant!" as if it is a surprise, despite the fact that they don't have the means or maturity to raise a child. You know I considered adoption vs. IVF very carefully. Adoption is not as easy as people seem to think it is, like you just fill out a form and someone hands you a child. It also costs thousands of dollars and the process can be emotionally taxing. As I well know. State adoption is inexpensive. In some states it's free. Infant adoption is extremely expensive, mainly because it is privatized. I admit, I freaked going over the application. They want to know *everything* about you, and I do have some things from my past that are not exactly flattering and I would rather that no one knew about. Whatever, I don't have to defend my choice. I don't know why you saw yourself in what I wrote, or thought I was referring to you. You definitely do not fit the menatality of "mindless breeder." -L. |
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Monique Y. Mudama wrote:
In the meantime, it seems to me that this is exactly the reason that most of us choose shelter animals over breeding; in the realization that if everyone did this, breeders would go out of business and there would be fewer cats euthanized. I never even considered a breeder. I simply can not imagine paying that much money for an animal, when there are so many that need homes and are given away practically for free. The thought process for me wasn't much deeper than that. It was basically "Spend 50 bucks, save a life, have a new fuzzy pal!" Now, I have a purebred, but I still rescued him. Jasper, being purebred siamese, probably cost someone a few bucks when he was a kitten, as someone pointed out here. But when he was 1.5 years old, he ended up at a shelter cuz the first of his old lady mommies died. Suddenly, Jasper was just another shelter cat. I agree with the sentiment that if you really want a purebreed, find one thru a rescue organization. Don't support a breeder directly. I think at the end of the day, you'll feel better about you. just my humble 2 pesos, pam |
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"-L." wrote
As I well know. State adoption is inexpensive. In some states it's free. Infant adoption is extremely expensive, mainly because it is privatized. True, but it's not for everyone. It's pretty rare to get an infant through the state, and correct me if I'm wrong, but you have to be certified foster parents first. I don't know why you saw yourself in what I wrote, or thought I was referring to you. You definitely do not fit the menatality of "mindless breeder." Because you said (to paraphrase) "everyone should adopt and not biologically create their own children". What if your IF treatments had worked? You know in the adoption groups the arguments go on and on. Like, if you want to adopt an infant, that's wrong, you should be adopting an older child. Why aren't you adopting a special needs child? Etc, etc. If this round of IVF hadn't worked, we probably would be adopting. I felt like, we had the opportunity to try it, so I should at least give it a shot. I didn't want to wonder "what if?" -- -Kelly kelly at farringtons dot net "Wake up, and smell the cat food" -TMBG |
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