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OT - Suicide a Sin?
bless your heart tweed, Lee
"Christina Websell" wrote in message ... "jmcquown" wrote in message ... "CatEyes" wrote in message ... Sorry for the dark topic, but I know a lot of you here suffer from depression, so you may have thought about this and come to some conclusions. It's something that's been on my mind a lot lately. (snippage) I don't even want to know why you're asking. A Sin? No. I'm not religious in any traditional sense of the word so that word holds no meaning for me. Morally wrong? Absolutely. Depression isn't an excuse to kill yourself. There are medications (even herbal OTC) to help with that. My LLL's father did the murder/suicide thing. Shot his second wife then put the gun to his head. He was left to deal with the consequences, including informing his mother her ex-husband had killed his wife and himself. 30 years later he's still feeling guilty, thinking he should have known his father needed help. Thinking there should have been something he could have done. It's a horrible thing to do to your family and friends. Which is what makes it morally reprehesensible. IMHO, of course. Unless you suffer from diagnosed depression yourself and understand it which maybe you don't, awful things can happen with it as we just see in your post. Tweed |
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"Stormmee" wrote in message
... I got one post past yours to see how the conversation went. i had forgotten this is a new computer and i hadn't used the kill file button in this group yet. it would be hard on the family that is true, but rather than berate you or make you "bad" for having such thoughts i would ask that you seek help, I know i am lte to this but if i don't try and respond positively to you, I will get quite nasty to posters who i know i am going to return to my kill file anyway, so instead. see somebody and while this is a sensitive topic because of the many on this group with depression issues and some who have had family members take this option, i surely hope that you get some guidance... my only requesti is that if anyone else wants to discuss such a topic perhap we need a warning in the thread, for me the abuse warning helps me avoid those, and in this instance i can see that while you are in obvious pain, and in need of support this topic may cause others some considerable upset, and as for the poster immediately after yours, the kill file has done its job again, please take care i am not sure if i will be able to read the entire thread but i do wish you well, Lee Thank you, Lee. Used to be, quite some time ago, though, that anyone in pain could come here and get help. I won't mention any names, that would be unethical, but I know a lot of people here who suffer from depression, some who have attempted to take their own lives, others who consider it now and again. I've "talked down" more than a few people who were metaphorically "on the ledge" myself. I truly didn't mean to hurt anyone else with this thread, I just wanted to "talk through" this personal dilemma I'm having, i.e. how do you live with intractable pain when you can't end that pain without facing an eternity of greater agony - where is the mercy in that? Working with this pain can only be likened to deliberately holding your hand in a fire no matter how badly it burns. I know I can't change the workings of the universe or the Mind of our Creator, but sometimes it all gets to be just too much and I have to scream or cry or run to my friends for comfort. And there are still friends here as you have shown with this post. Hugs, CatNipped |
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"Stormmee" wrote in message ... bless your heart tweed, Lee I can only say that depression is the worst illness I ever had. My ovarian cancer paled in comparison. Tweed |
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Christina Websell wrote:
I can only say that depression is the worst illness I ever had. My ovarian cancer paled in comparison. I once read a memoir by a woman who said that during one period of her life, she lived through extreme poverty and famine, and was on the verge of starvation. At a completely separate time, she went through suicidal depression. She said if she were forced to do either of them over again, she'd pick the hunger. Makes you realize how ignorant some people can be when they dismiss depression as something a person can just "snap out of" if they just make an effort and use some self-discipline. Of course, I already know this because I've suffered from the big D myself. A lot of people really don't get it, though. -- Joyce ^..^ To email me, remove the XXX from my user name. |
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wrote in message ... Christina Websell wrote: I can only say that depression is the worst illness I ever had. My ovarian cancer paled in comparison. I once read a memoir by a woman who said that during one period of her life, she lived through extreme poverty and famine, and was on the verge of starvation. At a completely separate time, she went through suicidal depression. She said if she were forced to do either of them over again, she'd pick the hunger. Makes you realize how ignorant some people can be when they dismiss depression as something a person can just "snap out of" if they just make an effort and use some self-discipline. Of course, I already know this because I've suffered from the big D myself. A lot of people really don't get it, though. No one can understand it unless they got it themselves. I would not wish it on my worst enemy. Tweed |
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"CatEyes" wrote in message
... "Stormmee" wrote in message ... I got one post past yours to see how the conversation went. i had forgotten this is a new computer and i hadn't used the kill file button in this group yet. it would be hard on the family that is true, but rather than berate you or make you "bad" for having such thoughts i would ask that you seek help, I know i am lte to this but if i don't try and respond positively to you, I will get quite nasty to posters who i know i am going to return to my kill file anyway, so instead. see somebody and while this is a sensitive topic because of the many on this group with depression issues and some who have had family members take this option, i surely hope that you get some guidance... my only requesti is that if anyone else wants to discuss such a topic perhap we need a warning in the thread, for me the abuse warning helps me avoid those, and in this instance i can see that while you are in obvious pain, and in need of support this topic may cause others some considerable upset, and as for the poster immediately after yours, the kill file has done its job again, please take care i am not sure if i will be able to read the entire thread but i do wish you well, Lee Thank you, Lee. Used to be, quite some time ago, though, that anyone in pain could come here and get help. I won't mention any names, that would be unethical, but I know a lot of people here who suffer from depression, some who have attempted to take their own lives, others who consider it now and again. I've "talked down" more than a few people who were metaphorically "on the ledge" myself. I truly didn't mean to hurt anyone else with this thread, I just wanted to "talk through" this personal dilemma I'm having, i.e. how do you live with intractable pain when you can't end that pain without facing an eternity of greater agony - where is the mercy in that? Working with this pain can only be likened to deliberately holding your hand in a fire no matter how badly it burns. I know I can't change the workings of the universe or the Mind of our Creator, but sometimes it all gets to be just too much and I have to scream or cry or run to my friends for comfort. And there are still friends here as you have shown with this post. Hugs, CatNipped (((((((CatNipped)))))))) -- Joy No amount of time can erase the memory of a good cat, and no amount of masking tape can ever totally remove his fur from your couch. - Leo Dworken |
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I guess i fall back on the saying// "if he brings you to it he gets you
through it, that is the best i can do, Lee "CatEyes" wrote in message ... "Stormmee" wrote in message ... I got one post past yours to see how the conversation went. i had forgotten this is a new computer and i hadn't used the kill file button in this group yet. it would be hard on the family that is true, but rather than berate you or make you "bad" for having such thoughts i would ask that you seek help, I know i am lte to this but if i don't try and respond positively to you, I will get quite nasty to posters who i know i am going to return to my kill file anyway, so instead. see somebody and while this is a sensitive topic because of the many on this group with depression issues and some who have had family members take this option, i surely hope that you get some guidance... my only requesti is that if anyone else wants to discuss such a topic perhap we need a warning in the thread, for me the abuse warning helps me avoid those, and in this instance i can see that while you are in obvious pain, and in need of support this topic may cause others some considerable upset, and as for the poster immediately after yours, the kill file has done its job again, please take care i am not sure if i will be able to read the entire thread but i do wish you well, Lee Thank you, Lee. Used to be, quite some time ago, though, that anyone in pain could come here and get help. I won't mention any names, that would be unethical, but I know a lot of people here who suffer from depression, some who have attempted to take their own lives, others who consider it now and again. I've "talked down" more than a few people who were metaphorically "on the ledge" myself. I truly didn't mean to hurt anyone else with this thread, I just wanted to "talk through" this personal dilemma I'm having, i.e. how do you live with intractable pain when you can't end that pain without facing an eternity of greater agony - where is the mercy in that? Working with this pain can only be likened to deliberately holding your hand in a fire no matter how badly it burns. I know I can't change the workings of the universe or the Mind of our Creator, but sometimes it all gets to be just too much and I have to scream or cry or run to my friends for comfort. And there are still friends here as you have shown with this post. Hugs, CatNipped |
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"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote:
wrote: Makes you realize how ignorant some people can be when they dismiss depression as something a person can just "snap out of" if they just make an effort and use some self-discipline. Of course, I already know this because I've suffered from the big D myself. A lot of people really don't get it, though. I think most people just assume "depression" means a period of intense sadness (which of course is one dictionary definition). However, it's more than that - one may not even recognize the symptoms in oneself - lack of energy, apathy, social activities one would normally enjoy just seem too much trouble, even managing one's everyday life seems to require too much effort.... A friend of mine had once or twice mentioned looking for a support group for depression, but whenever I saw him, he seemed perfectly okay. After his death on his 69th birthday (heart, not suicide), his family who came to California to see to his effects discovered that he had been living in his house without hot water from August until his death in November! (Not lack of money, just that the act of calling a plumber had become too much effort.) Wow. I think I remember that story. I'm sure some people would look at your friend and call him "lazy". Many people are not willing to dig any deeper than surface appearances. -- Joyce ^..^ To email me, remove the XXX from my user name. |
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On May 23, 2:40*pm, wrote:
*After his death on his 69th birthday * (heart, not suicide), his family who came to California to see to his * effects discovered that he had been living in his house without hot * water from August until his death in November! *(Not lack of money, just * that the act of calling a plumber had become too much effort.) When I've been depressed if the hot water had gone off I'd have been just the same. I remember bursting into tears because deciding what to wear was too hard so I stayed in bed all day then sat around nude in the evening.it felt like I was walking through some sort of semi- solid air- you know when it's really hot and the air is still it can sometimes feel hard to breathe...multiply that by about 100. At the worst I was lying in bed, needed to use the toilet and there was a bit of me that thought "I can always clean up the bed later" Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs |
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