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PURRS for ABELARD, please- he's very ill, at vet
Pat wrote:
It started a bit after 12 noon, Aby was laying in my lap, all seemed well, then suddenly he began to convulse.... I could not figure out what was happening, thought he was maybe having a seizure, but it went on and on and on, meanwhile I was trying to reach every vet in the book, none were answering -- all were apparently out to lunch, finally had to just try to get to one quick as I could. My car actually started!!! but trying to leave the vet it almost would not. It's not even insured.... I am not 100% positive but it appears he may have ingested a bit of a scale remover called Vanisol which is 23% hydrochloric acid. It took almost two hours to figure this out because I had no idea there was even anything like this in the house, let alone accessible to a cat.... Poor Aby!! My gang will purr for him to make it through this. I'm wondering if it isn't something else altogether, though. I agree that if something burns that much on immediate contact, a cat would be very unlikely to keep drinking it. Plus, if he was lying on your lap for a while before the seizures started, that doesn't sound like hydrochloric acid burns. I would expect the symptoms to start immediately, if he had actually ingested enough to harm him. I hope they consider other possibilities, and maybe you should, too. Purrs for you, too, that your biopsy turns out negative. -- Joyce To email me, remove the triple-X from my user name. ^..^ |
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PURRS for ABELARD, please- he's very ill, at vet
Because it is an unusual name, I goggled it for a clue. Well, got nothing
cat related. Am interested in where YOU got the name. "Joy" wrote in message ... Purrs are on the way! -- Joy "Pat" wrote in message et... Breaking long silence to ask for mega purrs for Abelard, who may be dying. I have lurked here occasionally but still did not feel right about posting. And now, I must ask for purrs for my little guy. It started a bit after 12 noon, Aby was laying in my lap, all seemed well, then suddenly he began to convulse.... I could not figure out what was happening, thought he was maybe having a seizure, but it went on and on and on, meanwhile I was trying to reach every vet in the book, none were answering -- all were apparently out to lunch, finally had to just try to get to one quick as I could. My car actually started!!! but trying to leave the vet it almost would not. It's not even insured.... I am not 100% positive but it appears he may have ingested a bit of a scale remover called Vanisol which is 23% hydrochloric acid. It took almost two hours to figure this out because I had no idea there was even anything like this in the house, let alone accessible to a cat.... TED gave me a hard time, his social skills are not that great, thought my being upset and asking questions and freaking out was a reflection on him or lack of trust or something. Now I am at home, going out of my mind. My baby may be dying!! I am just rambling, going insane, wanting to help my baby but what can I do?? And the vet meanwhile has a full schedule of regular patients to tend. I just called back over there, they said Aby is "stable" for now. Thank Bast! Please, keep poor Abelard in your thoughts today. He will be staying overnight at the vet, they said, but who knows, that may change. About two years ago roto-rooter worked on my sewer line and seeing how sluggish the commode was *after* rooting he told me to get this product, but I really don't remember ever buying it, I don't think I was able to find any in town. That was two years ago, so who knows.... And if I did buy the stuff, why on EARTH was there some of it sitting in a plain glass jar in the kitchen, after all this time??? But what else could it be??? I got a tiny smidgen on my hand when I handled the jar, and it sure did burn.... if it burns so much on the relatively tough skin of a human hand, why would any animal ingest more than a tiny smidgen? And I wonder if in fact strong hydrochloric acid causes convulsions, in such a tiny amount? Will Abelard make it? I'm asking for your strongest and best purrs for my sweet innocent baby boy, who is the very last kitty in the world to deserve such suffering. I feel terrible for allowing this to happen! |
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PURRS for ABELARD, please- he's very ill, at vet
Pat wrote:
Breaking long silence to ask for mega purrs for Abelard, who may be dying. I have lurked here occasionally but still did not feel right about posting. And now, I must ask for purrs for my little guy. It started a bit after 12 noon, Aby was laying in my lap, all seemed well, then suddenly he began to convulse.... I could not figure out what was happening, thought he was maybe having a seizure, but it went on and on and on, meanwhile I was trying to reach every vet in the book, none were answering -- all were apparently out to lunch, finally had to just try to get to one quick as I could. My car actually started!!! but trying to leave the vet it almost would not. It's not even insured.... I am not 100% positive but it appears he may have ingested a bit of a scale remover called Vanisol which is 23% hydrochloric acid. It took almost two hours to figure this out because I had no idea there was even anything like this in the house, let alone accessible to a cat.... TED gave me a hard time, his social skills are not that great, thought my being upset and asking questions and freaking out was a reflection on him or lack of trust or something. Now I am at home, going out of my mind. My baby may be dying!! If Abelard had ingested some vanisol with the 23% hydrochloric acid, he would have acid burns to his motuh, tongue and aesophegus. They'd be easy to see - they'd be like heat burns, red and blistery. He'd be in *alot* of pain and frothing at the mouth. However, going for a quick internet search, there seems to be many different products under the Vanisol brand name, not all of which are 23% hydrochloric acid. I don't know which one youve got, but please find out which one and find the MSDS (material safety data sheet) for it ASAP - it will help the vet know what to do if it was poisoning from a Vanisol product. MSDSs are easy to download frmthe 'net, but failing tha, ring the manufacturerof Vanisol and ask for he MSDS details. They have to give it to you, by law (even US law) About two years ago roto-rooter worked on my sewer line and seeing how sluggish the commode was *after* rooting he told me to get this product, but I really don't remember ever buying it, I don't think I was able to find any in town. That was two years ago, so who knows.... And if I did buy the stuff, why on EARTH was there some of it sitting in a plain glass jar in the kitchen, after all this time??? But what else could it be??? I got a tiny smidgen on my hand when I handled the jar, and it sure did burn.... if it burns so much on the relatively tough skin of a human hand, why would any animal ingest more than a tiny smidgen? And I wonder if in fact strong hydrochloric acid causes convulsions, in such a tiny amount? I am not a vet, but to be honest, I don't think hydrocholric acid by itself would cause convulsions, because I don't think any animal could ingest enough to cause harm. And even if they did manage to digest it without getting severe burns on the mouth, tongue and oesophagus, the stomach is full of hyrdocholric acid anyway. A small amount of extra concentrated acid would decrease the pH of the stomach some more, but not too much. Worst youd get would be a bit of acid reflux, which a cat would o doubt just hurk up. You'd have to digest an aweful lot to cause damage to the stomach, and by that time (I apologise for being gross) there would be no mouth,, tongue, throat, or aesophagus left. The high acid Vanisol that I think you are talking about also has alkyl dimethyl benzyl ammonium chlorides (at 0.05%) and O-Benzyl-P-Chlorophenol at 0.01%. To be honest, at those low levels and hte small amount Abelard may have digested without any noticable chemical burns to his mouth, means that the amount diested wouldbe negligiable and therefore unless cats are pecularly sensitive to such things, I don't think thiswouldbe he cause of convulsions (although I am not a vet). The thing i can't figure out is why a plumber would recommend a bowl cleaner, when almost invariably, the problem with drains is the build up of fats and hair, which is usually solved by products which are strongly alkaline (caustic). Although caustic will cause nasty chemical burns too. If there's no sign of chemical burns in his mouth, or tongue, I dont think the Vanisol is the cause (but I am not a vet) Will Abelard make it? I'm asking for your strongest and best purrs for my sweet innocent baby boy, who is the very last kitty in the world to deserve such suffering. I feel terrible for allowing this to happen! Purrs for Abelard. Yowie (also wondering how you know its high-acid Vanisol if its in a plain glass jar, and how Abelard could have access to it if you've never noticed it before) |
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PURRS for ABELARD, please- he's very ill, at vet
"Pat" wrote in message et... Breaking long silence to ask for mega purrs for Abelard, who may be dying. I have lurked here occasionally but still did not feel right about posting. And now, I must ask for purrs for my little guy. Lots of purrs coming over the pond for Abelard to recover. Tweed KFC & Boyfie |
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PURRS for ABELARD, please- he's very ill, at vet
"Granby" wrote | Because it is an unusual name, I goggled it for a clue. Well, got nothing | cat related. Am interested in where YOU got the name. What name? |
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PURRS for ABELARD, please- he's very ill, at vet
"Pat" ... Breaking long silence to ask for mega purrs for Abelard, who may be dying. I have lurked here occasionally but still did not feel right about posting. And now, I must ask for purrs for my little guy. Pat, you don't know me, since I'm new here, but please know healing PUUUUUURS are sent for Abelard. edit Will Abelard make it? I'm asking for your strongest and best purrs for my sweet innocent baby boy, who is the very last kitty in the world to deserve such suffering. I feel terrible for allowing this to happen! I give my vote as a yes, yes he will It's NOT your fault that this happened sweetie. No no no nope!! And blast TED for being so rude to you! That was very unprofessional IMO! Prayers, Healing Purrs, Hugs, Love and Bright Blessings for Abelard and you. Please keep us posted Kyla is where you can e-mail me if you'd like. |
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PURRS for ABELARD, please- he's very ill, at vet
"Yowie" wrote | If there's no sign of chemical burns in his mouth, or tongue, I dont think | the Vanisol is the cause (but I am not a vet) No burns anywhere! Not even his paws. | (also wondering how you know its high-acid Vanisol if its in a plain glass | jar, and how Abelard could have access to it if you've never noticed it | before) I don't know that it is. I really have no idea what it is. All I know is it's mostly clear - just a tad on the milky side - and odorless, and a smidgen of it burned my hand when I touched it accidentally. I really don't know what is in that jar. I simply don't use toxic stuff around the house. Never have. In fact I probably never bought Vanisol in the first place. |
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UPDATE: He's home, but hanging by a thread. PURRS for ABELARD, please- he's very ill, at vet
They didn't want to keep him overnight because no one would be there. The
vet said he's not sure what caused this. They gave him a huge amount of fluids, both IV and orally. So much that the carrier felt several pounds heavier than when we went in. Abelard is sleeping and his body seems too cold. I took him out of the carrier and he's now on a soft down pillow with a warm blanket around him. I tried putting him in the litter box first, just in case, and he could not stand up. Didn't seem to need to pee either. Amazing, with all that extra fluid. When I took him out of the carrier he woke up a bit and his head was bouncing around like it was earlier when he was convulsing, only not as pronounced. Anyway, he's alive for the time being. I need to try and get a charcoal tablet into him at some point pretty soon.... T |
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UPDATE: He's home, but hanging by a thread. PURRS for ABELARD, please- he's very ill, at vet
Pat wrote:
They didn't want to keep him overnight because no one would be there. The vet said he's not sure what caused this. They gave him a huge amount of fluids, both IV and orally. So much that the carrier felt several pounds heavier than when we went in. Abelard is sleeping and his body seems too cold. I took him out of the carrier and he's now on a soft down pillow with a warm blanket around him. I tried putting him in the litter box first, just in case, and he could not stand up. Didn't seem to need to pee either. Amazing, with all that extra fluid. When I took him out of the carrier he woke up a bit and his head was bouncing around like it was earlier when he was convulsing, only not as pronounced. Anyway, he's alive for the time being. I need to try and get a charcoal tablet into him at some point pretty soon.... T Oh, the poor baby. It must be awful to see him like this. And he must be feeling terrible! I think either he somehow ingested something toxic, but not hydrochloric acid. Although maybe he did ingest the stuff in the glass jar, since you don't know what it is. Or maybe he was bitten by a poisonous insect or spider? It does sound like something neurological might be going on, if he's having seizures. We'll keep purring for him. -- Joyce To email me, remove the triple-X from my user name. ^..^ |
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UPDATE: He's home, but hanging by a thread. PURRS forABELARD, please- he's very ill, at vet
Purrs for both Abelard and you.
--Fil We'll keep purring for him. -- Joyce |
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