Allergies, Linear Granuloma, and Diet

"Phil P." wrote in message
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"Mary" wrote in message
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Karen is right, Phil, at least according to my vet, whom I trust
and
who has had his practice for over 30 years. He said that "some
cats
just get it."

Mary, that's what I meant by "genetically susceptible".



I've been looking at little Cheeks and I don't know how I missed that
she had definite Siamese or one of those wedge-headed "oriental"
breeds in her, though she is a tabby in markings. (I read that
although 1% of cats have asthma Siamese and other "oriental" breeds
are over represented, and that LG correlates with other allergies.)
She has huge eyes and a very tapered face, small muzzle. When she
wakes me up in the morning by climbing up on me and peering into my
face I am sometimes tempted to say "ET phone home!"

Phil P. wrote:

He may not agree with doing the RAST because its not as accurate as
the patch test. I think I'd rather sterilize my home than put a cat
though the patch test... buts that's just me.

He's way sweet and compassionate with the animals, so he would
probably acquiesce. And he will do what I want or I will go elsewhere.
I did not rescue this little girl just to torture her. Hell, I don't
go to the doctor like I should, primarily because 1. they tend to hurt
me and 2. I'm too big for anyone to stuff me in a carrier and make me
go!

By the way--the granuloma(s) on Cheeky's nose literally shrank to
nothing the third day after her shot--a big relief.

That's why many people with allergic cats
get confused because they think their cats' allergies are seasonal -
especially in the colder months which is actually the opposite of
the
norm.

Those of us with mold and dust instead of plant allergies know what
winter does. I never had allergies until I lived in an overinsulated
house. The grand old Victorian I rented had no apparent insulation and
hardwoods. I could feel breezes coming up through the floors at
shoulder level in the winter!! High heat bills, but excellent
ventilation.




I would also have her tested for heartworm disease because the
symptoms of asthma are almost identical to the symptoms of heartworm
disease in cats(e.g., coughing, dyspnea). Heartworm disease can
result in sudden death.

This was the first thing we did when she presented with the cough and
wheeze. No heart worms, thank God.






Shelters have to offer a "refund" or "exchange" because many people
don't have a heart as big as yours. Some people would otherwise
"dispose" of the cat - possibly cruelly. We've had people come back
almost a year later because their cat got sick! I gladly give them
a
refund just to get the cat away from them! No "exchanges" or future
adoptions for them!

If you could see Cheeky's little face, it doesn't take much of a heart
to want to have that around! I fell in love from a photo on the web,
then somehow, in a room full of mostly tabbys, ceiling to floor, only
hers emerged from the pack. When I petted her head she leaned into it
and closed her eyes and that was the end of that! Some things were
meant to be.

As for people who treat cats as objects or are otherwise cruel, I
cannot stand to think about it. I'm glad you encourage idiots to
return the cats to your safe hands.


They probably lose money on most adoptions... I know we did until we
got our hematology system and serum chemistry analyzers. Most
people
don't realize the costs and think we make money on adoptions.... I
wish. I don't know of any shelter that's in the black... If they
are, I'd be real suspicious!

Tell you this--if my ship ever comes in, there will be some happy
shelters in my area.



Thank you for your time and input, Phil.

I hope it helped.

Surely did!

Phil P. wrote:

He may not agree with doing the RAST because its not as accurate as
the patch test. I think I'd rather sterilize my home than put a cat
though the patch test... buts that's just me.

He's way sweet and compassionate with the animals, so he would
probably acquiesce. And he will do what I want or I will go elsewhere.
I did not rescue this little girl just to torture her. Hell, I don't
go to the doctor like I should, primarily because 1. they tend to hurt
me and 2. I'm too big for anyone to stuff me in a carrier and make me
go!

By the way--the granuloma(s) on Cheeky's nose literally shrank to
nothing the third day after her shot--a big relief.

That's why many people with allergic cats
get confused because they think their cats' allergies are seasonal -
especially in the colder months which is actually the opposite of
the
norm.

Those of us with mold and dust instead of plant allergies know what
winter does. I never had allergies until I lived in an overinsulated
house. The grand old Victorian I rented had no apparent insulation and
hardwoods. I could feel breezes coming up through the floors at
shoulder level in the winter!! High heat bills, but excellent
ventilation.




I would also have her tested for heartworm disease because the
symptoms of asthma are almost identical to the symptoms of heartworm
disease in cats(e.g., coughing, dyspnea). Heartworm disease can
result in sudden death.

This was the first thing we did when she presented with the cough and
wheeze. No heart worms, thank God.






Shelters have to offer a "refund" or "exchange" because many people
don't have a heart as big as yours. Some people would otherwise
"dispose" of the cat - possibly cruelly. We've had people come back
almost a year later because their cat got sick! I gladly give them
a
refund just to get the cat away from them! No "exchanges" or future
adoptions for them!

If you could see Cheeky's little face, it doesn't take much of a heart
to want to have that around! I fell in love from a photo on the web,
then somehow, in a room full of mostly tabbys, ceiling to floor, only
hers emerged from the pack. When I petted her head she leaned into it
and closed her eyes and that was the end of that! Some things were
meant to be.

As for people who treat cats as objects or are otherwise cruel, I
cannot stand to think about it. I'm glad you encourage idiots to
return the cats to your safe hands.


They probably lose money on most adoptions... I know we did until we
got our hematology system and serum chemistry analyzers. Most
people
don't realize the costs and think we make money on adoptions.... I
wish. I don't know of any shelter that's in the black... If they
are, I'd be real suspicious!

Tell you this--if my ship ever comes in, there will be some happy
shelters in my area.



Thank you for your time and input, Phil.

I hope it helped.

Surely did!

From: olitter (PawsForThought)

LOL! This is so telling!

Lauren, why do you feel the need to jump on Steve's back? Because you hate
Hill's so much? He never claimed you said the things that you are taking
offense over. Are you feeling guilty perhaps? Read on:

Steve said____________
Karen,
I won't speak for Phil, but continuous attempts to cure every ill
known to man by suggesting a raw diet is really really dangerous.
Seriously it is extremely dangerous to offer some of the advice I have
seen on this and other NG's by the raw crowd.

I think there is an obligation to temper the wild claims and
testimonial evidence with some facts once in awhile.

and then Lauren jumped in from out of nowhere with this____________

Oh please, give me a freakin' break already, Steve! It's so obvious that you
have a problem with anyone who doesn't feed a commercial diet and especially
Hill's, the company YOU work for.

You just can't stand it that I tell people my experiences with Hill's
products.
I wish they had worked out for my animals, but the truth is, they didn't and
I
will continue to tell of my experiences, both with Hill's, other foods and a
raw diet.

Nobody was discussing you, Lauren. Nobody was discussing any Hill's diets pro
or con until you jumped in from out of left field w/ your Hill's bashing. Your
extremist hatred of Hill's has you losing any semblance of self-control that
you may have ever had. LOL!!


If you don't like it, feel free to killfile me.

See, that's the problem, Lauren. If we killfiled you, then there would be
nobody left to counteract your lies and Hill's bashing, now would there?

From: olitter (PawsForThought)

LOL! This is so telling!

Lauren, why do you feel the need to jump on Steve's back? Because you hate
Hill's so much? He never claimed you said the things that you are taking
offense over. Are you feeling guilty perhaps? Read on:

Steve said____________
Karen,
I won't speak for Phil, but continuous attempts to cure every ill
known to man by suggesting a raw diet is really really dangerous.
Seriously it is extremely dangerous to offer some of the advice I have
seen on this and other NG's by the raw crowd.

I think there is an obligation to temper the wild claims and
testimonial evidence with some facts once in awhile.

and then Lauren jumped in from out of nowhere with this____________

Oh please, give me a freakin' break already, Steve! It's so obvious that you
have a problem with anyone who doesn't feed a commercial diet and especially
Hill's, the company YOU work for.

You just can't stand it that I tell people my experiences with Hill's
products.
I wish they had worked out for my animals, but the truth is, they didn't and
I
will continue to tell of my experiences, both with Hill's, other foods and a
raw diet.

Nobody was discussing you, Lauren. Nobody was discussing any Hill's diets pro
or con until you jumped in from out of left field w/ your Hill's bashing. Your
extremist hatred of Hill's has you losing any semblance of self-control that
you may have ever had. LOL!!


If you don't like it, feel free to killfile me.

See, that's the problem, Lauren. If we killfiled you, then there would be
nobody left to counteract your lies and Hill's bashing, now would there?

I have opened up my mind to not just treating animals' symptoms with
antibiotics and steroids, but rather to have the whole animal treated and to
prevent disease in a holistic way.

Kum-by-ya...........la la la la la......la la la la.....



You just can't believe that my animals did poorly on your
beloved Science Diet. But in fact and in truth, they did do poorly. Now I
would be a liar if I said they did great on Science Diet. But they did
poorly
on Science Diet.

Lauren, here you are AGAIN TAKING ANOTHER POT SHOT AT SCIENCE DIET!! LOL!!!!
You are seriously a whack job. Your Hill's bashing has nothing to do w/
anything in this thread, yet here you bring it up AGAIN! You have no
credibility left! I can just see you in "real life" constantly muttering
throughout the day to anyone who'll listen to you that Science Diet is bad, and
evil, and horrible, etc.........I bet the people at the bank or the grocery
store run when they see you coming because they don't want to have to listen to
your crazy stories repeated over and over again!

As to you being in my killfile, I just upgraded to XP and that's why you're
not
killfiled, but believe you will be again

Please tell us when you figure out how to use it because I'll wager that you
never put Phil in your killfile. You like taking the abuse from him for some
reason. BTW, if you killfiled him before, why are you responding to him?
You're starting to sound just like Liz! I think you just like the attention
and the only way to get it is to act the way that you are.

I have opened up my mind to not just treating animals' symptoms with
antibiotics and steroids, but rather to have the whole animal treated and to
prevent disease in a holistic way.

Kum-by-ya...........la la la la la......la la la la.....



You just can't believe that my animals did poorly on your
beloved Science Diet. But in fact and in truth, they did do poorly. Now I
would be a liar if I said they did great on Science Diet. But they did
poorly
on Science Diet.

Lauren, here you are AGAIN TAKING ANOTHER POT SHOT AT SCIENCE DIET!! LOL!!!!
You are seriously a whack job. Your Hill's bashing has nothing to do w/
anything in this thread, yet here you bring it up AGAIN! You have no
credibility left! I can just see you in "real life" constantly muttering
throughout the day to anyone who'll listen to you that Science Diet is bad, and
evil, and horrible, etc.........I bet the people at the bank or the grocery
store run when they see you coming because they don't want to have to listen to
your crazy stories repeated over and over again!

As to you being in my killfile, I just upgraded to XP and that's why you're
not
killfiled, but believe you will be again

Please tell us when you figure out how to use it because I'll wager that you
never put Phil in your killfile. You like taking the abuse from him for some
reason. BTW, if you killfiled him before, why are you responding to him?
You're starting to sound just like Liz! I think you just like the attention
and the only way to get it is to act the way that you are.

(Steve Crane) wrote in message . com...
"Karen M." wrote in message ...

Phil, get off her freaking back. She offered some advice. Mary's a big
girl. She doesn't have to take it if she doesn't want to. Why are you
jumping around threads *just* to rip on her? Don't you have anything
better to do? Give your advice and lay off, the bickering is getting
ridiculous!

Karen,
I won't speak for Phil, but continuous attempts to cure every ill
known to man by suggesting a raw diet is really really dangerous.
Seriously it is extremely dangerous to offer some of the advice I have
seen on this and other NG's by the raw crowd. I've seen advice for
renal failure cats and dogs that would have killed them in very short
order. I think there is an obligation to temper the wild claims and
testimonial evidence with some facts once in awhile. Some pet's will
inevitably suffer if it isn't done.


I don't think that's why he's doing it. He's doing it as a vendetta,
and it's getting ridiculous. He's downright mean. *That's* why I said
that.

(Steve Crane) wrote in message . com...
"Karen M." wrote in message ...

Phil, get off her freaking back. She offered some advice. Mary's a big
girl. She doesn't have to take it if she doesn't want to. Why are you
jumping around threads *just* to rip on her? Don't you have anything
better to do? Give your advice and lay off, the bickering is getting
ridiculous!

Karen,
I won't speak for Phil, but continuous attempts to cure every ill
known to man by suggesting a raw diet is really really dangerous.
Seriously it is extremely dangerous to offer some of the advice I have
seen on this and other NG's by the raw crowd. I've seen advice for
renal failure cats and dogs that would have killed them in very short
order. I think there is an obligation to temper the wild claims and
testimonial evidence with some facts once in awhile. Some pet's will
inevitably suffer if it isn't done.


I don't think that's why he's doing it. He's doing it as a vendetta,
and it's getting ridiculous. He's downright mean. *That's* why I said
that.

PawsForThought wrote:

From: "Phil P."


Thanks, Karen. Dr. Hamilton is a highly respected veterinarian,

Homeopaths are *not* "highly respected veterinarians" by the mainstream
veterinary community... In fact, many if not most mainstream vets think
homeos are quacks. More importantly, many mainstream vets feel homeos are
*dangerous* because they deny or delay *real* veterinary care in the early
stages of disease when *real* veterinary care has the greatest chance of
effecting a cure.

One of our vets was an emergency and critical care specialist for 14 years.
Many homeo-treated animals ended up in his hospital, most died, because
their owners relied on homeos' "naturel remedies" and their other voodoo and
magical concoctions and magic wand waving when simple and timely *real*
veterinary care would have saved the animals' lives. They rushed their
animals to the emergency clinic when they finally realized the homeo was
quack and their animal was dying... Unfortunately, it was usually too late.


And on the other hand, there are many alternative veterinarians who have saved
the lives of many pets who couldn't be saved with allopathic medicine.
Homeopathic medicine has helped many of them.

snip

There are also many "mainstream" vets that screw cats up so badly they
have to be rushed to the ER, or just plain kill them. I don't think
"mainstream" or "homeopathic" one way or another equals superior care.
In my mind, and in the mind of many of both kinds of vets in my area,
they are complimentary. Any *good* vet should know when they are beyond
their level of competence and refer a patient on. If they don't they
shouldn't practive medicine, no matter what kind of vet they are. I
don't know where Phil lives, but if that's the attitude of the vets
there, I wouldn't want to go see them - as I wouldn't want to see a
human doctor with that kind of closed-minded attitude. But that's JMO.

K