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Susan Boyle has been admitted to a clinic
"Cheryl" wrote in message ... D Mahoney wrote: I don't understand why any decent person, who doesn't harm anyone, should ever get negative media attention - regardless of appearance, intelligence, or any other noteworthy features or talents. The kind of cruelty she's had to endure is inexcusable. If her singing were less impressive, that wouldn't have made it more excusable. Unfortunately society as a whole is deplorably insensitive and cruel. It seems that as time goes on our society becomes less and less civil. "Common sense" and "common courtesy" are both very UNCOMMON commodities. The more I see of society, the more I appreciate my cats. Dan Society is simply humans. Human nature has some rather nasty aspects that we have to be trained out of. Some societies develop rules of behaviour or moral codes that strongly repress the innate tendency of humans to emphasize how much they're part of their group, or that they're 'normal", by attacking anyone who is different, unusual, weak, or in some other way 'not one of us'. Our society seems to be moving more and more away from even trying to treat everyone as a human being; from even arguing or teaching that people should do so. Look at the popularity of a lot of the reality shows which, from the little I've seen, are actually designed to encourage people to mock and abuse others. It's not in the least surprising that Susan Boyle was treated the way she was. Everyone who buys the papers and watch the shows that set people up to be publicly humiliated after luring them in with promises of fame and fortune participates in a system that's bound to hurt people. Cheryl You can thank the progressives, and their *no values - no morals* agenda being pushed on kids starting in grade school... |
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Susan Boyle has been admitted to a clinic
"Christina Websell" wrote in message ... To recover from exhaustion. Read -too much negative media attention. It saddens me. IMO it should all be positive. Here is a person who has some degree of learning difficulty, I cannot deny that. She is not conventionally beautiful, I cannot deny that either. But by god she can sing. Tweed It is probably one of the best things that could happen to her right now. I doubt she would handle the rigors of a 'victory tour' schedule well. May she get they time and the peace to grow into her fame or even to reject it outright if that is her wish. May it be a pleasure and a blessing to her. Jo |
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Susan Boyle has been admitted to a clinic
I bet 90 per cent of it is from women. Even in from frog hop community, the
comments were terrible. I just hope she has the strength to last them out. Janis Joplin survived in spite of people not because of them so I hope Susan can too. "Will in New Haven" wrote in message ... On Jun 1, 8:18 pm, D Mahoney wrote: I don't understand why any decent person, who doesn't harm anyone, should ever get negative media attention - regardless of appearance, intelligence, or any other noteworthy features or talents. The kind of cruelty she's had to endure is inexcusable. If her singing were less impressive, that wouldn't have made it more excusable. Unfortunately society as a whole is deplorably insensitive and cruel. It seems that as time goes on our society becomes less and less civil. "Common sense" and "common courtesy" are both very UNCOMMON commodities. The more I see of society, the more I appreciate my cats. I think the impression that things are getting worse in this respect is quite wrong. I am not excusing the treatment this wonderful and talented singer got from some quarters but this isn't new. Janis Joplin was the victim of a huge amount of unkindness from people all over the world, especially from the people in her home town. And Janis was, in my certainly fallible opinion, an even greater talent. I think that the media may actually _be_ worse today in this respect but huge segments of society as a whole had no interest in seeing a woman who was not conventionaly attractive back then. And some of the worst of the abuse came from women. -- Will in New Haven |
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Susan Boyle has been admitted to a clinic
Cheryl wrote:
Society is simply humans. Human nature has some rather nasty aspects that we have to be trained out of. Some societies develop rules of behaviour or moral codes that strongly repress the innate tendency of humans to emphasize how much they're part of their group, or that they're 'normal", by attacking anyone who is different, unusual, weak, or in some other way 'not one of us'. Society sometimes operates to train people out of their more unsociable instincts. But just as often, it can exploit those instincts. We all have fears of people who are different from us. But relatively powerless groups of people within a society, who might actually have some power if they worked together, instead waste their energy attacking each other. This isn't lost on people who are in power and would prefer it to stay that way. There are ways to fan the sparks of prejudice to provoke full scale hostilities. I see it all the time. In addition, I think we learn many of our prejudices *from* society. Not always in a deliberate way as I described in the last paragraph, but people just pass on their ideas to the next generation. It's certainly just as possible to teach kids not to be disrespectful of others who are different - I've seen that, too. Our society seems to be moving more and more away from even trying to treat everyone as a human being; from even arguing or teaching that people should do so. Look at the popularity of a lot of the reality shows which, from the little I've seen, are actually designed to encourage people to mock and abuse others. Agreed. I don't chalk that up purely to instincts. You can start with an instinct (say, to be suspicious of someone who doesn't appear to belong to the group), but social attitudes amplify negative responses over time, until they become the *cause* of those behaviors, rather than merely a reflection of human nature. It's not in the least surprising that Susan Boyle was treated the way she was. Everyone who buys the papers and watch the shows that set people up to be publicly humiliated after luring them in with promises of fame and fortune participates in a system that's bound to hurt people. Good point. Look at what the show is like to begin with - it's all about cruelty to vulnerable people. -- Joyce ^..^ To email me, remove the XXX from my user name. |
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Susan Boyle has been admitted to a clinic
Native wrote:
"Cheryl" wrote in message It's not in the least surprising that Susan Boyle was treated the way she was. Everyone who buys the papers and watch the shows that set people up to be publicly humiliated after luring them in with promises of fame and fortune participates in a system that's bound to hurt people. You can thank the progressives... [snip] I'm hungry - anyone got recipes? -- Joyce ^..^ To email me, remove the XXX from my user name. |
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Susan Boyle has been admitted to a clinic
"outsider" wrote in message
Will in New Haven wrote in : On Jun 1, 8:18 pm, D Mahoney wrote: I don't understand why any decent person, who doesn't harm anyone, should ever get negative media attention - regardless of appearance, intelligence, or any other noteworthy features or talents. The kind of cruelty she's had to endure is inexcusable. If her singing were less impressive, that wouldn't have made it more excusable. Unfortunately society as a whole is deplorably insensitive and cruel. It seems that as time goes on our society becomes less and less civil. "Common sense" and "common courtesy" are both very UNCOMMON commodities. The more I see of society, the more I appreciate my cats. I think the impression that things are getting worse in this respect is quite wrong. I am not excusing the treatment this wonderful and talented singer got from some quarters but this isn't new. Janis Joplin was the victim of a huge amount of unkindness from people all over the world, especially from the people in her home town. And Janis was, in my certainly fallible opinion, an even greater talent. I think that the media may actually _be_ worse today in this respect but huge segments of society as a whole had no interest in seeing a woman who was not conventionaly attractive back then. And some of the worst of the abuse came from women. -- Will in New Haven Agreed about things have not changed in general and strongly agree about Janice. I love the bus scene of her and Garcia in Festival Express (I think it was those two). And if you want to talk about one of the best voices ever Cass Eliot was right up there and she suffered for her looks. Roy Orbison was overshadowed by the "pelvis of elvis" but another "top 10" voice. This is not anything new. For me, I could never understand why a singer's looks mattered. Back when singers were simply singers, looks weren't such a big deal. Folks didnt necessarily *watch* a singer, rather, they *listened*. The band and the singer were often in the corner, and they were't *supposed* to be the focal (ie visual) point of the room. But now singers are supposed to be *entertainers* and a large part of that entertainment is the visual component. Therfore 'entertainers' of the modern world also have to give a good TV show and a 'spectacular' live performance. The still need to be sexually attractive, they need to be able to act (at least a little) they need to be able to dance (in general) they need to be able to 'banter' with the audience and other members on stage and keep to the script. To be a successful *entertainer* they need to give a good visual performance as well as sound half decent ( I would argue that the visuals are probably *more* important these days). If Susan's management are smart, they'll distance her from TV and large 'entertainment centres' where a *show* is expected. If she does theatres and smaller venues where its pretty much just her and whatever music is on stage, and the audience is small and more intimate and she is not required to act, dance, and keep to a script, i thinks she'll do OK. I also think she'll do fantastically on CD sales & downloads and perhaps thats where she'll excel the most. However, great 'entertainment spectaculars' I think are out. Bless her, I hope that whatever she does, she finds happiness. Yowie -- If you're paddling upstream in a canoe and a wheel falls off, how many pancakes can you fit in a doghouse? None, icecream doesn't have bones. |
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Susan Boyle has been admitted to a clinic
To recover from exhaustion.
To recover from trying to beat the **** out of somebody in a bar brawl, as I read it. Somebody with a room-temperature IQ and a hobby of singing MOR schmaltz gets to do it on televised karaoke to help an opportunistic arsehole boost his ratings and sell tabloids. Comes predictably unstuck with the arsehole disclaiming responsibility. Schmaltz industry rolls on regardless, tabloid industry doubtless has a long queue of replacement stories ready to run tomorrow. Am I supposed to give a ****? ==== j a c k at c a m p i n . m e . u k === http://www.campin.me.uk ==== Jack Campin, 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland == mob 07800 739 557 CD-ROMs and free stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, and Mac logic fonts ****** I killfile Google posts - email me if you want to be whitelisted ****** |
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Susan Boyle has been admitted to a clinic
Jack Campin - bogus address wrote:
To recover from exhaustion. To recover from trying to beat the **** out of somebody in a bar brawl, as I read it. Somebody with a room-temperature IQ and a hobby of singing MOR schmaltz gets to do it on televised karaoke to help an opportunistic arsehole boost his ratings and sell tabloids. Comes predictably unstuck with the arsehole disclaiming responsibility. Schmaltz industry rolls on regardless, tabloid industry doubtless has a long queue of replacement stories ready to run tomorrow. Am I supposed to give a ****? You must think so. If you were really indifferent to everything from Susan Boyle's intelligence and taste in music to those TV shows and tabloids, you wouldn't get so angry about discussion of them. You probably wouldn't even read those discussions - I don't bother reading about things I don't care about or have any interest in. Cheryl |
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Susan Boyle has been admitted to a clinic
Christina Websell wrote:
To recover from exhaustion. Read -too much negative media attention. It saddens me. IMO it should all be positive. Here is a person who has some degree of learning difficulty, I cannot deny that. She is not conventionally beautiful, I cannot deny that either. But by god she can sing. Tweed I heard on the radio that she wanted to get home to be with her cat. -- Adrian (Owned by Snoopy, Bagheera & Shadow) Cats leave pawprints on your heart http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk |
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Susan Boyle has been admitted to a clinic
I hope the day will come when she can take her cat with her on tour and pay
people to take care of it! "Adrian" wrote in message om... Christina Websell wrote: To recover from exhaustion. Read -too much negative media attention. It saddens me. IMO it should all be positive. Here is a person who has some degree of learning difficulty, I cannot deny that. She is not conventionally beautiful, I cannot deny that either. But by god she can sing. Tweed I heard on the radio that she wanted to get home to be with her cat. -- Adrian (Owned by Snoopy, Bagheera & Shadow) Cats leave pawprints on your heart http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk |
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