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Animals do not "anticipate"
On 22 Apr 2006 09:16:59 -0700, "Coldwarrior" wrote:
Every afternoon around 6:00 pm my 2 Brits. start their antics to urge me to go out and play "Wing" which is a pheasant wing on a string at the end of a fishing pole. If I'm sitting and get up they run for the door. If I go to the door they run out to the garage where the wing is. If that isn't anticipation in dogs then maybe you just have the wrong definition of the word. Have you ever heard of "Pavlov"? It's worse than just this. For some unexplained reason, Goobernicus wants people to believe that: "Animals cannot be or feel disappointed." - Goo "Non human animals experience neither pride nor disappointment. They don't have the mental ability to feel either." - Goo "No. Animals do not experience frustration." - Goo "Dogs NEVER anticipate, nor do cats, or cattle, or any other animal you've ever encountered." - Goo "Animals do not experience pride or disappointment. Period." - Goo "No animals anticipate." - Goo "Anticipation requires language." - Goo |
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Animals do not "anticipate"
and the most telling of all is the animal that cowers when a situation
arises as if they anticipate being hit, if you have seen this in an animal and don't realize they anticipate you need to not associate with animals or other humans for that matter, Lee, who cares for 2 formerly abused cats dh@. wrote in message ... On 22 Apr 2006 09:16:59 -0700, "Coldwarrior" wrote: Every afternoon around 6:00 pm my 2 Brits. start their antics to urge me to go out and play "Wing" which is a pheasant wing on a string at the end of a fishing pole. If I'm sitting and get up they run for the door. If I go to the door they run out to the garage where the wing is. If that isn't anticipation in dogs then maybe you just have the wrong definition of the word. Have you ever heard of "Pavlov"? It's worse than just this. For some unexplained reason, Goobernicus wants people to believe that: "Animals cannot be or feel disappointed." - Goo "Non human animals experience neither pride nor disappointment. They don't have the mental ability to feel either." - Goo "No. Animals do not experience frustration." - Goo "Dogs NEVER anticipate, nor do cats, or cattle, or any other animal you've ever encountered." - Goo "Animals do not experience pride or disappointment. Period." - Goo "No animals anticipate." - Goo "Anticipation requires language." - Goo |
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Stormmee wrote: and the most telling of all is the animal that cowers when a situation arises as if they anticipate being hit, if you have seen this in an animal and don't realize they anticipate you need to not associate with animals or other humans for that matter, Lee, who cares for 2 formerly abused cats [sarcasm mode] no, really the animal isn't cowering in fear of being hit. It's just exhibiting a conditioned response. dh@. wrote in message ... On 22 Apr 2006 09:16:59 -0700, "Coldwarrior" wrote: Every afternoon around 6:00 pm my 2 Brits. start their antics to urge me to go out and play "Wing" which is a pheasant wing on a string at the end of a fishing pole. If I'm sitting and get up they run for the door. If I go to the door they run out to the garage where the wing is. If that isn't anticipation in dogs then maybe you just have the wrong definition of the word. Have you ever heard of "Pavlov"? It's worse than just this. For some unexplained reason, Goobernicus wants people to believe that: "Animals cannot be or feel disappointed." - Goo "Non human animals experience neither pride nor disappointment. They don't have the mental ability to feel either." - Goo "No. Animals do not experience frustration." - Goo "Dogs NEVER anticipate, nor do cats, or cattle, or any other animal you've ever encountered." - Goo "Animals do not experience pride or disappointment. Period." - Goo "No animals anticipate." - Goo "Anticipation requires language." - Goo |
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Animals do not "anticipate"
On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:26:58 GMT, Jack Crenshaw wrote:
wrote: "Many times, a human *anticipates* something without even being told. That's because the human has an understanding of the passage of time and the repetition of intermediate events. Dogs and other animals ABSOLUTELY DO NOT HAVE this kind of understanding, and THEREFORE do not "anticipate" anything. If the dog's owner tells the dog "I'm going to take you for a walk next Saturday", that is MEANINGLESS to the dog - he does not anticipate going for the walk. If the owner picks up the leash, as he always does before taking the dog for a walk, the dog may react to that *signal* and get excited. It is not "anticipating" the walk; it is merely giving a CONDITIONED RESPONSE to a signal. This difference is *elementary* to people who really understand the issue" - Goobenicus What a stupid thing to say. From stupid minds.... First of all, the reason the dog doesn't anticipate when "the dog's owner tells the dog "I'm going to take you for a walk next Saturday"" is because THE DOG DOESN'T SPEAK ENGLISH!! Duh. Goo has always had a problem with things like that. The Goober also can't understand why it is livestock never learn that they're being raised to be killed, even though he can't explain how they could possibly find out. Second of all, it's a dumb thing to claim facts about animals that you can't possibly know. It was dumb when Descartes said it, thereby setting the science of animal behavior back 250 years, and it's dumb today. "Wisdom without eloquence has been of little help to the states, but eloquence without wisdom has often been a great obstcle and never an advantage." - Cicero Guess you were late getting the word. Jack He's been exposed to it, but can't comprehend. And most amusingly he considers himself to be very intelligent, hence his title as Goobernicus: the moron who thinks he's a genius. That's our Goo :-) |
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Animals do not "anticipate"
On 21 Apr 2006 the Goober wrote:
****wit David Harrison, pig-****ing cracker, lied: On 21 Apr 2006 Goo wrote: "Many times, a human *anticipates* something without even being told. That's because the human has an understanding of the passage of time and the repetition of intermediate events. Dogs and other animals ABSOLUTELY DO NOT HAVE this kind of understanding, and THEREFORE do not "anticipate" anything. If the dog's owner tells the dog "I'm going to take you for a walk next Saturday", that is MEANINGLESS to the dog - he does not anticipate going for the walk. If the owner picks up the leash, as he always does before taking the dog for a walk, the dog may react to that *signal* and get excited. It is not "anticipating" the walk; it is merely giving a CONDITIONED RESPONSE to a signal. This difference is *elementary* to people who really understand the issue." - Goobernicus Thanks for reposting that, ****wit. Maybe you're beginning to catch on. Their response is caused by their anticipation, Goober, No, ****wit. Anticipation is a mental state that animals do not have. Everything other than your absurd claims suggests that they do, Goo. YOU are projecting the way you "think" you would feel in that situation onto the animals. And that could change the behavior of the animals how? Goo??? They do not "anticipate" in that way at all, ****wit. So you've said Goober, but as yet it appears that you're just lying again. If you could explain what it is you thinks causes them to perform actions that clearly appear to be the result of anticipation, caused by situations which could easily produce anticiapation, if it's somehow *not* really anticipation, then it could be considered that there's some change you have a clue what you're trying to talk about. But you can't Goober, so it can NOT be considered that you might have a clue. No clue for you, Goo. |
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Animals do not "anticipate"
****wit David Harrison, moronic lying childlike
cracker, lied: On 21 Apr 2006 Leif Erikson wrote: ****wit David Harrison, pig-****ing cracker, lied: On 21 Apr 2006 Leif Erikson wrote: "Many times, a human *anticipates* something without even being told. That's because the human has an understanding of the passage of time and the repetition of intermediate events. Dogs and other animals ABSOLUTELY DO NOT HAVE this kind of understanding, and THEREFORE do not "anticipate" anything. If the dog's owner tells the dog "I'm going to take you for a walk next Saturday", that is MEANINGLESS to the dog - he does not anticipate going for the walk. If the owner picks up the leash, as he always does before taking the dog for a walk, the dog may react to that *signal* and get excited. It is not "anticipating" the walk; it is merely giving a CONDITIONED RESPONSE to a signal. This difference is *elementary* to people who really understand the issue." - Goobernicus Thanks for reposting that, ****wit. Maybe you're beginning to catch on. Their response is caused by their anticipation, Goober, No, ****wit. Anticipation is a mental state that animals do not have. Everything other than your absurd claims suggests that they do, No, ****wit. Everything says they do NOT. YOU are projecting the way you "think" you would feel in that situation onto the animals. And that could change the behavior of the animals how? Your projection wouldn't change their behavior at all, ****wit. It changes how it is interpreted, by you: wrongly. However, it's worth noting that a lot of what you're calling their "behavior" is non-existent; a figment of your childlike, wish-projecting but uninspired imagination. They do not "anticipate" in that way at all, ****wit. So you've said Leif, And so it is, ****wit. They do not "anticipate" in the meaningful, state-of-mind way you ****wittedly and wrongly want to suggest. Sorry - that's just how it is, ****wit. Once again, ****wit, you lose. |
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