Toilet training ??

Mine are far from made up. you only need do research and you can
find them posted in many places of well established science. Unlesss
you are too lazy to care to educate yourself. Go ask your local vet as
well.they will know.




On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 08:59:21 +0200, "M.C. Mullen"
wrote:


"victoria" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
.. .
|
| It has been proven, and any decent vet will back this up, that a
| strictly outdoor cat has the aversage lifespan of 10 years while an
| outrdoor/indoor 15 years and an indoor cat 20 years. this is due to
| the fact they are not having to stress themselves out over teritory or
| scrap in fights with each other for territory,food or mating rights.
| All my cats have been rescued strays and love being indooors,to th
| point of not even wanting outdoors at all-garage a different
| story.LOL!
|

I have heard and read that *outdoor* cats live longer...unless they're
involved in an accident of course.
So it seems these studies (yours and mine!) are all made up.


Carola


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"...I don't know any of you." posted by Ivan the Idiotic on Monday,24 March 2003 after many long,past diatribes of challenges presuming to know exactly who I and many others of ok.general are yet never having balls enough to prove it.

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Mine are far from made up. you only need do research and you can
find them posted in many places of well established science. Unlesss
you are too lazy to care to educate yourself. Go ask your local vet as
well.they will know.




On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 08:59:21 +0200, "M.C. Mullen"
wrote:


"victoria" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
.. .
|
| It has been proven, and any decent vet will back this up, that a
| strictly outdoor cat has the aversage lifespan of 10 years while an
| outrdoor/indoor 15 years and an indoor cat 20 years. this is due to
| the fact they are not having to stress themselves out over teritory or
| scrap in fights with each other for territory,food or mating rights.
| All my cats have been rescued strays and love being indooors,to th
| point of not even wanting outdoors at all-garage a different
| story.LOL!
|

I have heard and read that *outdoor* cats live longer...unless they're
involved in an accident of course.
So it seems these studies (yours and mine!) are all made up.


Carola


CARE TAKE!!!
Victoria
Catlash Productions: http://catlashproductions.bravepages.com/index.html
http://www.redcross.org
http://www.GothsAgainstHate.com
http://www.WallofTolerance.com

"...I don't know any of you." posted by Ivan the Idiotic on Monday,24 March 2003 after many long,past diatribes of challenges presuming to know exactly who I and many others of ok.general are yet never having balls enough to prove it.

~~Want exclusive living yet close to city and schools?
http://www.stonewallestates.com

"M.C. Mullen" wrote in message
...

"victoria" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
...

following up to 2 replies in one fell swoop...

| It has been proven, and any decent vet will back this up, that a
| strictly outdoor cat has the aversage lifespan of 10 years while an
| outrdoor/indoor 15 years and an indoor cat 20 years.

While an indoor (or any cat, though indoor'd be more likely) cat may
certainly live to be 20 - 21 years old, I have a difficult time believing
that 20 is an *average*. That would mean that a whole slew of indoor cats
are living to be older than 20. An average age of 16 - 17, I'd believe.

| this is due to the fact they are not having to stress themselves out
over teritory or
| scrap in fights with each other for territory,food or mating rights.
| All my cats have been rescued strays and love being indooors,to th
| point of not even wanting outdoors at all-garage a different
| story.LOL!
|

I have heard and read that *outdoor* cats live longer...

This one's a new one on me. I doubt it; big time doubt it.

unless they're involved in an accident of course.

Well, considering that so many outdoor cats do succumb to some type or other
of accident, that pretty much negates the live longer bit (in general, since
any one single cat may not conform to the norm).

Cathy

--
"Staccato signals of constant information..."
("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon

So it seems these studies (yours and mine!) are all made up.


Carola

"M.C. Mullen" wrote in message
...

"victoria" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
...

following up to 2 replies in one fell swoop...

| It has been proven, and any decent vet will back this up, that a
| strictly outdoor cat has the aversage lifespan of 10 years while an
| outrdoor/indoor 15 years and an indoor cat 20 years.

While an indoor (or any cat, though indoor'd be more likely) cat may
certainly live to be 20 - 21 years old, I have a difficult time believing
that 20 is an *average*. That would mean that a whole slew of indoor cats
are living to be older than 20. An average age of 16 - 17, I'd believe.

| this is due to the fact they are not having to stress themselves out
over teritory or
| scrap in fights with each other for territory,food or mating rights.
| All my cats have been rescued strays and love being indooors,to th
| point of not even wanting outdoors at all-garage a different
| story.LOL!
|

I have heard and read that *outdoor* cats live longer...

This one's a new one on me. I doubt it; big time doubt it.

unless they're involved in an accident of course.

Well, considering that so many outdoor cats do succumb to some type or other
of accident, that pretty much negates the live longer bit (in general, since
any one single cat may not conform to the norm).

Cathy

--
"Staccato signals of constant information..."
("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon

So it seems these studies (yours and mine!) are all made up.


Carola

My final post on this. DO NOT ARGUE WITH ME LIKE CHILDREN.GO ASK YOUR
OWN VETRS,DO SOME READING. People that would rather argue than learn
never get much respect out of me. I only provided you with info hoping
it would spark some of you to want to take an ACTIVE part in your
cat's care. I see know one knows what vets are so I bid you children
adeu. I grew out of arguing when I got to 4th grade.









On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 22:14:43 -0700, "Ash Smith"
wrote:



If you live in an area where, for whatever reason, you feel unable to
allow a healthy cat its freedom to roam for at least some time each
day (and only you can judge your area) then don't have a cat. To have
a healthy cat, knowing you will keep it in 24/7 marks you are being
cruel, selfish, or both.


--
Bob.


What a jackass, I have 2 cute as hell kittens and while I do let them
outside from time to time, they are basically indoor cats - and you know
what, they love it, and have it made. Your argument is worthless, as though
it is somehow cruel to keep them inside. It's a better argument to say that
it might be cruel if you never let them inside and make them stay out all
the time. If cruelty to my cats is forcing them to stay inside my 3br 2 bth
house all day, where I clean up after them and buy them toys and all and all
they have to do is enjoy themselves, then I guess I'm guilty.


CARE TAKE!!!
Victoria
Catlash Productions: http://catlashproductions.bravepages.com/index.html
http://www.redcross.org
http://www.GothsAgainstHate.com
http://www.WallofTolerance.com

"...I don't know any of you." posted by Ivan the Idiotic on Monday,24 March 2003 after many long,past diatribes of challenges presuming to know exactly who I and many others of ok.general are yet never having balls enough to prove it.

~~Want exclusive living yet close to city and schools?
http://www.stonewallestates.com

My final post on this. DO NOT ARGUE WITH ME LIKE CHILDREN.GO ASK YOUR
OWN VETRS,DO SOME READING. People that would rather argue than learn
never get much respect out of me. I only provided you with info hoping
it would spark some of you to want to take an ACTIVE part in your
cat's care. I see know one knows what vets are so I bid you children
adeu. I grew out of arguing when I got to 4th grade.









On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 22:14:43 -0700, "Ash Smith"
wrote:



If you live in an area where, for whatever reason, you feel unable to
allow a healthy cat its freedom to roam for at least some time each
day (and only you can judge your area) then don't have a cat. To have
a healthy cat, knowing you will keep it in 24/7 marks you are being
cruel, selfish, or both.


--
Bob.


What a jackass, I have 2 cute as hell kittens and while I do let them
outside from time to time, they are basically indoor cats - and you know
what, they love it, and have it made. Your argument is worthless, as though
it is somehow cruel to keep them inside. It's a better argument to say that
it might be cruel if you never let them inside and make them stay out all
the time. If cruelty to my cats is forcing them to stay inside my 3br 2 bth
house all day, where I clean up after them and buy them toys and all and all
they have to do is enjoy themselves, then I guess I'm guilty.


CARE TAKE!!!
Victoria
Catlash Productions: http://catlashproductions.bravepages.com/index.html
http://www.redcross.org
http://www.GothsAgainstHate.com
http://www.WallofTolerance.com

"...I don't know any of you." posted by Ivan the Idiotic on Monday,24 March 2003 after many long,past diatribes of challenges presuming to know exactly who I and many others of ok.general are yet never having balls enough to prove it.

~~Want exclusive living yet close to city and schools?
http://www.stonewallestates.com

"victoria" wrote in message
...

My final post on this. DO NOT ARGUE WITH ME LIKE CHILDREN.GO ASK
YOUR
OWN VETRS,DO SOME READING. People that would rather argue than learn
never get much respect out of me. I only provided you with info
hoping
it would spark some of you to want to take an ACTIVE part in your
cat's care. I see know one knows what vets are so I bid you children
adeu. I grew out of arguing when I got to 4th grade.


I needed a laff tonight. Thank you.
lmao

"victoria" wrote in message
...

My final post on this. DO NOT ARGUE WITH ME LIKE CHILDREN.GO ASK
YOUR
OWN VETRS,DO SOME READING. People that would rather argue than learn
never get much respect out of me. I only provided you with info
hoping
it would spark some of you to want to take an ACTIVE part in your
cat's care. I see know one knows what vets are so I bid you children
adeu. I grew out of arguing when I got to 4th grade.


I needed a laff tonight. Thank you.
lmao

"victoria" wrote in message
...

And having had every cat but the one that died of cancer that I have
owned live to at least 20 and having friends andd family also having
cats that live to 20 or older I wonder how you treat your cats that
they live so short a life.

First, could you please quote the post to which you're responding, w/ proper
attribution? It's extremely difficult to tell to whom & to what you're
replying - since your posts appear in complete isolation. (I can do it, but
it involves expanding the thread all over again. I have my newsreader set
to view only the unread posts.)

Secondly, IMO, my cats who've died did not have short lives. The first one
was 17¾ years old when she died of CRF, & the second cat was 16¼. The
second cat had developed acute -- chronic liver disease at age 11, &
hyperthyroidism when she was 12, & was treated for those probs via an
internist working w/ my regular vet. Almost 5 years after her liver disease
had shown up, her liver bw was finally normal. (The thyroid problem had
been stabilized long ago.) But then she developed CRF, was again
aggressively treated - sub-Q fluids, diet, K supplement, Procrit, potassium
binder, etc. - as they became needed, but she succumbed to the CRF 8 months
post diagnosis.

I personally know of only one person (IRL) whose cat has lived to 20.

Cathy

--
"Staccato signals of constant information..."
("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon


On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:21:10 -0400, "Cathy Friedmann"
wrote:

"M.C. Mullen" wrote in message
. ..

"victoria" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
...

following up to 2 replies in one fell swoop...

| It has been proven, and any decent vet will back this up, that a
| strictly outdoor cat has the aversage lifespan of 10 years while an
| outrdoor/indoor 15 years and an indoor cat 20 years.

While an indoor (or any cat, though indoor'd be more likely) cat may
certainly live to be 20 - 21 years old, I have a difficult time believing
that 20 is an *average*. That would mean that a whole slew of indoor
cats
are living to be older than 20. An average age of 16 - 17, I'd believe.

| this is due to the fact they are not having to stress themselves out
over teritory or
| scrap in fights with each other for territory,food or mating rights.
| All my cats have been rescued strays and love being indooors,to th
| point of not even wanting outdoors at all-garage a different
| story.LOL!
|

I have heard and read that *outdoor* cats live longer...

This one's a new one on me. I doubt it; big time doubt it.

unless they're involved in an accident of course.

Well, considering that so many outdoor cats do succumb to some type or
other
of accident, that pretty much negates the live longer bit (in general,
since
any one single cat may not conform to the norm).

Cathy

CARE TAKE!!!
Victoria
Catlash Productions: http://catlashproductions.bravepages.com/index.html
http://www.redcross.org
http://www.GothsAgainstHate.com
http://www.WallofTolerance.com

"...I don't know any of you." posted by Ivan the Idiotic on Monday,24
March 2003 after many long,past diatribes of challenges presuming to know
exactly who I and many others of ok.general are yet never having balls
enough to prove it.

~~Want exclusive living yet close to city and schools?
http://www.stonewallestates.com

"victoria" wrote in message
...

And having had every cat but the one that died of cancer that I have
owned live to at least 20 and having friends andd family also having
cats that live to 20 or older I wonder how you treat your cats that
they live so short a life.

First, could you please quote the post to which you're responding, w/ proper
attribution? It's extremely difficult to tell to whom & to what you're
replying - since your posts appear in complete isolation. (I can do it, but
it involves expanding the thread all over again. I have my newsreader set
to view only the unread posts.)

Secondly, IMO, my cats who've died did not have short lives. The first one
was 17¾ years old when she died of CRF, & the second cat was 16¼. The
second cat had developed acute -- chronic liver disease at age 11, &
hyperthyroidism when she was 12, & was treated for those probs via an
internist working w/ my regular vet. Almost 5 years after her liver disease
had shown up, her liver bw was finally normal. (The thyroid problem had
been stabilized long ago.) But then she developed CRF, was again
aggressively treated - sub-Q fluids, diet, K supplement, Procrit, potassium
binder, etc. - as they became needed, but she succumbed to the CRF 8 months
post diagnosis.

I personally know of only one person (IRL) whose cat has lived to 20.

Cathy

--
"Staccato signals of constant information..."
("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon


On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:21:10 -0400, "Cathy Friedmann"
wrote:

"M.C. Mullen" wrote in message
. ..

"victoria" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
...

following up to 2 replies in one fell swoop...

| It has been proven, and any decent vet will back this up, that a
| strictly outdoor cat has the aversage lifespan of 10 years while an
| outrdoor/indoor 15 years and an indoor cat 20 years.

While an indoor (or any cat, though indoor'd be more likely) cat may
certainly live to be 20 - 21 years old, I have a difficult time believing
that 20 is an *average*. That would mean that a whole slew of indoor
cats
are living to be older than 20. An average age of 16 - 17, I'd believe.

| this is due to the fact they are not having to stress themselves out
over teritory or
| scrap in fights with each other for territory,food or mating rights.
| All my cats have been rescued strays and love being indooors,to th
| point of not even wanting outdoors at all-garage a different
| story.LOL!
|

I have heard and read that *outdoor* cats live longer...

This one's a new one on me. I doubt it; big time doubt it.

unless they're involved in an accident of course.

Well, considering that so many outdoor cats do succumb to some type or
other
of accident, that pretty much negates the live longer bit (in general,
since
any one single cat may not conform to the norm).

Cathy

CARE TAKE!!!
Victoria
Catlash Productions: http://catlashproductions.bravepages.com/index.html
http://www.redcross.org
http://www.GothsAgainstHate.com
http://www.WallofTolerance.com

"...I don't know any of you." posted by Ivan the Idiotic on Monday,24
March 2003 after many long,past diatribes of challenges presuming to know
exactly who I and many others of ok.general are yet never having balls
enough to prove it.

~~Want exclusive living yet close to city and schools?
http://www.stonewallestates.com