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"KellyH" wrote in message ... "Margaret S." wrote in message ... That's why I specified "some indoor/outdoor situations." An intact or vasectomied tom, ime, cannot be an indoor-only cat; he needs a good deal of time outside to do his spraying and other male stuff. It is completely irresponsible to allow an intact tom to roam outside. Not to a freak like Margaret. She is unmoved by how many cats die every day due to overpopulation. She must have her cats "all natural and organic." Phil's photos of the garbage cans of euthanized kittens would only make her unhappy if they are missing their ovaries and testes. Margaret is a cat abuser. She has caused her own cats to suffer terribly for her idiotic "back to nature" idiology. I hope Margaret catches an all -natural and organic form of Bubonic Plague. |
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"Karen Chuplis" wrote in message ... in article , Margaret S. at wrote on 1/30/05 12:47 PM: On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:16:51 -0500, KellyH wrote: "Margaret S." wrote in message .. . What has worked well in some indoor/outdoor situations, is one or more females that have been sterilized by "remove the uterus but leave the ovaries." The females still go in heat and enjoy mating (tho they can't get pregnant), so the males are scared to leave home for fear of missing some action. As a neighborhood public service, might consider giving the male a vasectomy so some neighborood females might skip a litter now and then. /snip/ He will still spray, roam, fight, all the negative behaviors that go along with an intact male. That's why I specified "some indoor/outdoor situations." An intact or vasectomied tom, ime, cannot be an indoor-only cat; he needs a good deal of time outside to do his spraying and other male stuff. As I said at my site: "Sometimes neutering [a tomcat] will prevent or lessen [spraying], sometimes not. Vasectomy will NOT lessen it; a vasectomied tom will still behave like a full, intact tom." And: "Another problem [besides spraying] is that, tho some male dogs can be satisfied with one mate, and one tom can be enough for a female cat, an intact or vasectomied tomcat will probably need a harem of at least two or three intact females or more to keep him happy." Margaret S. I don't know what is up with you and vasectomies. I quite honestly hope no one is "reading your web page" that you keep going on about. You sound like a loonie. Why the hell would *anyone* just do a vasectomy on a tom? Cripes. Margaret is out of her ****ing mind. |
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"Karen Chuplis" wrote in message ... in article , KellyH at wrote on 1/30/05 1:15 PM: "Margaret S." wrote in message ... That's why I specified "some indoor/outdoor situations." An intact or vasectomied tom, ime, cannot be an indoor-only cat; he needs a good deal of time outside to do his spraying and other male stuff. It is completely irresponsible to allow an intact tom to roam outside. As I said at my site: "Sometimes neutering [a tomcat] will prevent or lessen [spraying], sometimes not. Vasectomy will NOT lessen it; a vasectomied tom will still behave like a full, intact tom." And: "Another problem [besides spraying] is that, tho some male dogs can be satisfied with one mate, and one tom can be enough for a female cat, an intact or vasectomied tomcat will probably need a harem of at least two or three intact females or more to keep him happy." If a vasectomied tom still has all the intact behaviors, why do it? I don't get it. I swear this one is a real looney. The idea is to make living, breathing creatures conform to your lovely, shining, ideology of all creatures living as God Intended. Males must have testicles and females ovaries or they are not All Natural and Pure and God Intended. It does not matter if they suffer, or behave in ways that mean they cannot live indoors where they are safe. As long as they are Pure and Intact. Have I mentioned that Margaret is Out of her ****ing Mind? |
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"Mary" wrote in message
. com... Margaret is a freak who thinks that female creatures without ovaries are no longer actually female. This is why she has tormented her own cats by having their uteri removed but leaving their ovaries so they must suffer heats and painful intercourse. OMG! What VET in their right mind would do this?? -- -Kelly kelly at farringtons dot net "Wake up, and smell the cat food" -TMBG |
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"KellyH" wrote in message ... "Mary" wrote in message . com... Margaret is a freak who thinks that female creatures without ovaries are no longer actually female. This is why she has tormented her own cats by having their uteri removed but leaving their ovaries so they must suffer heats and painful intercourse. OMG! What VET in their right mind would do this?? -- When Margaret advances her idiotic reproductive crap in alt.med.veterinary, the vets do not respond. I guess they are used to this fruitcake faction of "all natural and organic" cat abusers and don't want to get into it. But the fact that they do not condemn her practice eggs her on. |
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"Mary" wrote in message
. com... Not to a freak like Margaret. She is unmoved by how many cats die every day due to overpopulation. She must have her cats "all natural and organic." Phil's photos of the garbage cans of euthanized kittens would only make her unhappy if they are missing their ovaries and testes. Margaret is a cat abuser. She has caused her own cats to suffer terribly for her idiotic "back to nature" idiology. I hope Margaret catches an all -natural and organic form of Bubonic Plague. Ugh. How disgusting. Is she living vicariously through her cats' sex lives? Just about every unspayed female we get at the shelter over the age of two is skinny and unhealthy. All of their resources get put into going into heat and pumping out kittens. Poor things barely have anything left for themselves. As soon as they are spayed, there is such a dramatic change. They put on weight, and honestly, seem relieved. Unneutered, mature males stink, to be frank, and do not play well with others. It takes at least a few weeks until we can even let them out with other cats. Sometimes they come in with nasty wounds from fighting and are at great risk for FIV. When we're running a FIV/FeLV test on a beat-up tom, it's time to pray that thing isn't positive. -- -Kelly kelly at farringtons dot net "Wake up, and smell the cat food" -TMBG |
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On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:05:12 -0600, Karen Chuplis wrote:
/snip/ OMG! What VET in their right mind would do this?? That's what I wondered too. That's the bottom line, isn't it? I've lived in several parts of the US and dealt with quite a few vets, and none of them had any problem with "remove the uterus but leave the ovaries." One advised that as being safer than tubal ligation. Margaret S. -- http://www.sangerfan.com Common Pet Questions Nothing I say is professional advice. Consult your own doctor, lawyer, veterinarian, butcher, baker, and candlestick maker. |
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On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:46:57 -0600, Karen Chuplis wrote:
in article , Margaret S. at wrote on 1/30/05 12:47 PM: On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:16:51 -0500, KellyH wrote: "Margaret S." wrote in message .. . /snip/ As a neighborhood public service, might consider giving the male a vasectomy so some neighborood females might skip a litter now and then. Why the hell would *anyone* just do a vasectomy on a tom? As I said above. If a neighborhood female happens to mate only with the vasectomied tom (as can happen in some neighborhoods, at least occasionally), he may bring her out of that heat without getting her pregnant. So she gets to skip having a litter that season (tho not safe for repeated use, perhaps: ask your vet.) Not much other good reason for spending money on a vasectomy, sfaik. On my site I mentioned a few bad reasons, but I'm not going into complicated issues here on Usenet, where posts get snipped out of context (and sometimes misrepresented). Margaret S. -- http://www.sangerfan.com Common Pet Questions Nothing I say is professional advice. Consult your own doctor, lawyer, veterinarian, butcher, baker, and candlestick maker. |
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