Spayed Female & Un-neutered Male... Would it work?

On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 21:40:35 GMT, Mary wrote:
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they must suffer heats
and painful intercourse.


From what I've read and seen, the idea that cats need pain to induce
ovulation seems a convenient urban legend. People who say that, never seem
to cite any actual studies to support it.


Margaret S.
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"Karen Chuplis" wrote in message
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in article , Margaret S. at
wrote on 1/30/05 4:35 PM:

On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 17:18:39 -0500, KellyH wrote:
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Just about every unspayed female we get at the shelter over the age of
two
is skinny and unhealthy. All of their resources get put into going
into
heat and pumping out kittens.


Not if they've had their uterus removed. "Remove the uterus but leave
the
ovaries" prevents pregnancy. (As does tubal ligation, tho I've been told
there are more safety issues with tubals: ask your vet. I'll try to add
more
on tubals at my site.)



Margaret S.

You really are certifiably nuts. I'm sorry, but that is the way it is.


She advocates this practice, but does not have the guts to say why.

"Margaret S." wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 21:40:35 GMT, Mary wrote:
/snip/

they must suffer heats
and painful intercourse.


From what I've read and seen, the idea that cats need pain to induce
ovulation seems a convenient urban legend. People who say that, never seem
to cite any actual studies to support it.



Margaret, have you seen a cat penis? Cat vaginas are similar to human ones.
I am going to go out on a limb here and assume you have a vagina. Go
LOOK at the spiny penis of a cat and put two and two together. It is
a fact that sexual intercourse is necessary for ovulation in cats, and it is
a fact that the spiny penis of a male cat is painful to the female. Simple
observation. Now then, freak, why are you so preoccupied with your
cats' genitals? Why must Kitty get laid? Hmmm? You won't answer
because you can't without sounding like the abusive fruitcake you
are. How about you just focus your obsession you your own
sex life, hmmm?

"Margaret S." wrote in message
.. .
I've lived in several parts of the US and dealt with quite a few vets, and
none of them had any problem with "remove the uterus but leave the
ovaries."
One advised that as being safer than tubal ligation.


But not safer than a regular spay. I'm going to have to ask the shelter vet
about this next time I see her just to see what her reaction is.

--
-Kelly
kelly at farringtons dot net
"Wake up, and smell the cat food" -TMBG

"Margaret S." wrote in message
...
As I said above. If a neighborhood female happens to mate only with the
vasectomied tom (as can happen in some neighborhoods, at least
occasionally), he may bring her out of that heat without getting her
pregnant. So she gets to skip having a litter that season (tho not safe
for
repeated use, perhaps: ask your vet.)


That's a pretty stupid reason. If I had a neighborhood unspayed female, I'd
get her spayed.

Not much other good reason for spending money on a vasectomy, sfaik.

Exactly. Just get a regular neuter.

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-Kelly
kelly at farringtons dot net
"Wake up, and smell the cat food" -TMBG

On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 17:18:39 -0500, "KellyH"
wrote:


Just about every unspayed female we get at the shelter over the age of two
is skinny and unhealthy. All of their resources get put into going into
heat and pumping out kittens. Poor things barely have anything left for
themselves. As soon as they are spayed, there is such a dramatic change.
They put on weight, and honestly, seem relieved.

Unneutered, mature males stink, to be frank, and do not play well with
others. It takes at least a few weeks until we can even let them out with
other cats. Sometimes they come in with nasty wounds from fighting and are
at great risk for FIV. When we're running a FIV/FeLV test on a beat-up tom,
it's time to pray that thing isn't positive.

That's my shelter experience as well. The only time a vasectomy seems
logical is when you are working with a feral colony. The dominant
male can take the females you can't catch out of heat.

I've been trying for a year to trap one female through several
litters. She's seen her kittens trapped and she's too smart to get in
that trap no matter how hungry she is. Those who have already been
spayed or neutered get in the traps instead sigh. If I can get that
big male, whom I know is the father of them all, I'm going to try to
find a vet who will do a vasectomy.

BarB

On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 00:50:25 GMT, BarB wrote:

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The only time a vasectomy seems
logical is when you are working with a feral colony. The dominant
male can take the females you can't catch out of heat.

I've been trying for a year to trap one female through several
litters. She's seen her kittens trapped and she's too smart to get in
that trap no matter how hungry she is. Those who have already been
spayed or neutered get in the traps instead sigh. If I can get that
big male, whom I know is the father of them all, I'm going to try to
find a vet who will do a vasectomy.

BarB


Vasectomy has worked in other feral colonies.

I don't know how long it might take to find a vet in your area who can do
vasectomy on a cat. You might begin your shopping early, so as to have a vet
located (and compare prices) before you catch the big male.


Margaret S.
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On Sun 30 Jan 2005 05:43:08p, Margaret S. wrote in
rec.pets.cats.health+behav
):

As I said above. If a neighborhood female happens to mate
only with the vasectomied tom (as can happen in some
neighborhoods, at least occasionally), he may bring her out of
that heat without getting her pregnant. So she gets to skip
having a litter that season (tho not safe for repeated use,
perhaps: ask your vet.)

IIRC, you're confusing a cats heat with a dogs heat. It isn't like a
"season". I don't understand why you keep promoting this very
dangerous and unnecessary and UNCOMFORTABLE "alternative" as
something that someone should do. It makes no sense at all.

--
Cheryl

On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 19:10:17 -0500, KellyH wrote:
"Margaret S." wrote in message
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If a neighborhood female happens to mate only with the vasectomied tom
(as can happen in some neighborhoods, at least occasionally), he may bring
her out of that heat without getting her pregnant.

/snip/

That's a pretty stupid reason. If I had a neighborhood unspayed female,
I'd get her spayed.


Can you catch all the loose females in your neighborhood? What if some of
them are wearing ID, and the owner does not give permission for surgery on
his animal?

A vasectomy on a male you do legally own, is something you can legally do.


Margaret S.
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veterinarian, butcher, baker, and candlestick maker.

On Sun 30 Jan 2005 07:50:25p, BarB wrote in
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That's my shelter experience as well. The only time a vasectomy
seems logical is when you are working with a feral colony. The
dominant male can take the females you can't catch out of heat.

I've been trying for a year to trap one female through several
litters. She's seen her kittens trapped and she's too smart to
get in that trap no matter how hungry she is. Those who have
already been spayed or neutered get in the traps instead sigh.
If I can get that big male, whom I know is the father of them
all, I'm going to try to find a vet who will do a vasectomy.

BarB, even if you keep a male for "mating purposes", another intact
male is still going to come along and mate with the unspayed females.
I think the vasectomy idea isn't worth it. He'll still fight, and
bring with it all of the other problems.

--
Cheryl