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November 15th 03, 12:27 AM
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Yea, Megan is back! Everyone lets gather around in a circle so Megan can
tell us about feline anatomy, physiology, and psychology. Megan thanks for responding to my post. I admit, I am not a vet, nor am I an animal psychologist. I'm not at Veterinary Tech, nor do I run a shelter. My post comes from my experiences that I have dealt with regarding feline troubles. Since you are undoubtedly double my age, and have owned and or fostered more cats than I have ever had, your ultimate wisdom is always welcome. I don't know why you dissected my previous post. How do you think these animals would deal with the situation if they were outdoors, by themselves? Do you actually think that the new cat would tolerate being jumped on, and abused? I beg to differ. Yeah, I may have been a bit dramatic when I said, "let them go at it;" but eventually it will happen. You of all people have to agree that you cannot force cats to like each other, especially in this situation, with a resident alpha male. Some will live with a newcomer easily, others will never relate, or they may just manage to live alongside each other in an uneasy truce - you can only try. However, if there is no competition for food or safe sleeping places (as in most good homes, like yours) then cats will accept each other eventually and some will even seem to form close bonds with one another. I know that you are really touchy regarding cats, and there isn't anything wrong with that. You are truly a piece of work. The only point that I am gesturing, is that the sooner you treat the situation as though they are little animals instead of little humans, the better off everyone will be. But, anyway Megan, thanks for the reply. I have missed you and your Edmund Burke and W.H. Murray quotes.
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November 15th 03, 12:27 AM
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Yea, Megan is back! Everyone lets gather around in a circle so Megan can
tell us about feline anatomy, physiology, and psychology. Megan thanks for responding to my post. I admit, I am not a vet, nor am I an animal psychologist. I'm not at Veterinary Tech, nor do I run a shelter. My post comes from my experiences that I have dealt with regarding feline troubles. Since you are undoubtedly double my age, and have owned and or fostered more cats than I have ever had, your ultimate wisdom is always welcome. I don't know why you dissected my previous post. How do you think these animals would deal with the situation if they were outdoors, by themselves? Do you actually think that the new cat would tolerate being jumped on, and abused? I beg to differ. Yeah, I may have been a bit dramatic when I said, "let them go at it;" but eventually it will happen. You of all people have to agree that you cannot force cats to like each other, especially in this situation, with a resident alpha male. Some will live with a newcomer easily, others will never relate, or they may just manage to live alongside each other in an uneasy truce - you can only try. However, if there is no competition for food or safe sleeping places (as in most good homes, like yours) then cats will accept each other eventually and some will even seem to form close bonds with one another. I know that you are really touchy regarding cats, and there isn't anything wrong with that. You are truly a piece of work. The only point that I am gesturing, is that the sooner you treat the situation as though they are little animals instead of little humans, the better off everyone will be. But, anyway Megan, thanks for the reply. I have missed you and your Edmund Burke and W.H. Murray quotes.
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November 15th 03, 12:27 AM
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Yea, Megan is back! Everyone lets gather around in a circle so Megan can
tell us about feline anatomy, physiology, and psychology. Megan thanks for responding to my post. I admit, I am not a vet, nor am I an animal psychologist. I'm not at Veterinary Tech, nor do I run a shelter. My post comes from my experiences that I have dealt with regarding feline troubles. Since you are undoubtedly double my age, and have owned and or fostered more cats than I have ever had, your ultimate wisdom is always welcome. I don't know why you dissected my previous post. How do you think these animals would deal with the situation if they were outdoors, by themselves? Do you actually think that the new cat would tolerate being jumped on, and abused? I beg to differ. Yeah, I may have been a bit dramatic when I said, "let them go at it;" but eventually it will happen. You of all people have to agree that you cannot force cats to like each other, especially in this situation, with a resident alpha male. Some will live with a newcomer easily, others will never relate, or they may just manage to live alongside each other in an uneasy truce - you can only try. However, if there is no competition for food or safe sleeping places (as in most good homes, like yours) then cats will accept each other eventually and some will even seem to form close bonds with one another. I know that you are really touchy regarding cats, and there isn't anything wrong with that. You are truly a piece of work. The only point that I am gesturing, is that the sooner you treat the situation as though they are little animals instead of little humans, the better off everyone will be. But, anyway Megan, thanks for the reply. I have missed you and your Edmund Burke and W.H. Murray quotes.
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November 15th 03, 01:10 AM
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"Luvskats00" wrote in message
... Don't forget...I'm half-insane from no sleep! I just did a quick cleaning of the bathroom and started the transfer (the vet tech I just called recommended the bathroom, too..so, I decided to go for it). Anyway. things didn't go as planned and she's somewhere in the apartment, hiding. So, either she'll urinate where I won't have any idea or she won't. And..when she turns up today..tomorrow..I'll try the bathroom again OK, take a deep breath, and become calm and centered. You are stressed, and both of these cats are probably stressed beyond belief. Hopefully by now, you have the new cat in the bathroom. It was a mistake putting her in a cage where the resident cat can see her. To the new cat, she was sitting there exposed, feeling defenseless. She can't run and hide anywhere, and remember, she is a cat. She doesn't know that he can't get in the cage somehow. I think she was peeing on the bed out of stress, and, I don't know if you've had her tested yet, but stress can lead to a UTI. For future reference, the best way to introduce a new cat is to put her in a separate, low-traffic room that your resident cat will not be all that upset by not being allowed in for a while, like a guest bedroom or a bathroom. Putting her in your bedroom, where your cat is used to being, was upsetting to the resident cat. So, now it is time for you to start over. Once you have her in the bathroom, place a litterbox, two if you have the room, food and water, and a blanket or cat bed in there with her. If she is still eating and throwing up, then continue feeding her small amounts at a time. Her vomitting was probably also due to stress, and her knowing that there is a strange cat looming that may steal her food. She was probably eating too quickly and not digesting her food. I would give her a tablespoon of food at a time. Just leave it in a dish for her, and walk away. Don't hover or force her to eat it. Check back in 20-30 min and see if she has eaten. However, if she does NOT eat at all, that is a serious issue, and then you may need to force-feed her. But, take it step by step. Remember, YOUR stress level will also affect the cats. If they see you all frazzled, they will not know, esp the new cat, who doesn't know you, what you're up to, and she may think you are out to harm her. I am willing to bet that once she is in the bathroom, she will use the litterbox. If she defecates outside the litterbox, place that in the box while she is watching. Make sure you use an enzyme-based cleaner like Nature's Miracle to clean. It will get the urine smell out better, making her less likely to go in the same place again. Watch for signs of struggling to urinate or blood in the urine, those are signs of a UTI. Visit her in the bathroom. Talk calmly to her, and give her lots of love. After a couple of days, bring a towel or something with your cat's scent on it into the bathroom and leave it there. Then leave a towel or blanket for her to sleep on, and then bring that out for your cat to smell. Leave it around an area he frequents, so he gets used to her scent. Once you feel things are calmed down, slowly introduce the two. Crack the door and let them sniff each other. Bring resident cat in for supervised visits. When you feel she is ready, let her out for a tour of the house. I really hope all goes well. And most importantly, GET SOME SLEEP! If you have any questions, please feel free to email me, . -- -Kelly kelly at farringtons dot net Check out www.snittens.com
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November 15th 03, 01:10 AM
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"Luvskats00" wrote in message
... Don't forget...I'm half-insane from no sleep! I just did a quick cleaning of the bathroom and started the transfer (the vet tech I just called recommended the bathroom, too..so, I decided to go for it). Anyway. things didn't go as planned and she's somewhere in the apartment, hiding. So, either she'll urinate where I won't have any idea or she won't. And..when she turns up today..tomorrow..I'll try the bathroom again OK, take a deep breath, and become calm and centered. You are stressed, and both of these cats are probably stressed beyond belief. Hopefully by now, you have the new cat in the bathroom. It was a mistake putting her in a cage where the resident cat can see her. To the new cat, she was sitting there exposed, feeling defenseless. She can't run and hide anywhere, and remember, she is a cat. She doesn't know that he can't get in the cage somehow. I think she was peeing on the bed out of stress, and, I don't know if you've had her tested yet, but stress can lead to a UTI. For future reference, the best way to introduce a new cat is to put her in a separate, low-traffic room that your resident cat will not be all that upset by not being allowed in for a while, like a guest bedroom or a bathroom. Putting her in your bedroom, where your cat is used to being, was upsetting to the resident cat. So, now it is time for you to start over. Once you have her in the bathroom, place a litterbox, two if you have the room, food and water, and a blanket or cat bed in there with her. If she is still eating and throwing up, then continue feeding her small amounts at a time. Her vomitting was probably also due to stress, and her knowing that there is a strange cat looming that may steal her food. She was probably eating too quickly and not digesting her food. I would give her a tablespoon of food at a time. Just leave it in a dish for her, and walk away. Don't hover or force her to eat it. Check back in 20-30 min and see if she has eaten. However, if she does NOT eat at all, that is a serious issue, and then you may need to force-feed her. But, take it step by step. Remember, YOUR stress level will also affect the cats. If they see you all frazzled, they will not know, esp the new cat, who doesn't know you, what you're up to, and she may think you are out to harm her. I am willing to bet that once she is in the bathroom, she will use the litterbox. If she defecates outside the litterbox, place that in the box while she is watching. Make sure you use an enzyme-based cleaner like Nature's Miracle to clean. It will get the urine smell out better, making her less likely to go in the same place again. Watch for signs of struggling to urinate or blood in the urine, those are signs of a UTI. Visit her in the bathroom. Talk calmly to her, and give her lots of love. After a couple of days, bring a towel or something with your cat's scent on it into the bathroom and leave it there. Then leave a towel or blanket for her to sleep on, and then bring that out for your cat to smell. Leave it around an area he frequents, so he gets used to her scent. Once you feel things are calmed down, slowly introduce the two. Crack the door and let them sniff each other. Bring resident cat in for supervised visits. When you feel she is ready, let her out for a tour of the house. I really hope all goes well. And most importantly, GET SOME SLEEP! If you have any questions, please feel free to email me, . -- -Kelly kelly at farringtons dot net Check out www.snittens.com
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November 15th 03, 01:10 AM
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"Luvskats00" wrote in message
... Don't forget...I'm half-insane from no sleep! I just did a quick cleaning of the bathroom and started the transfer (the vet tech I just called recommended the bathroom, too..so, I decided to go for it). Anyway. things didn't go as planned and she's somewhere in the apartment, hiding. So, either she'll urinate where I won't have any idea or she won't. And..when she turns up today..tomorrow..I'll try the bathroom again OK, take a deep breath, and become calm and centered. You are stressed, and both of these cats are probably stressed beyond belief. Hopefully by now, you have the new cat in the bathroom. It was a mistake putting her in a cage where the resident cat can see her. To the new cat, she was sitting there exposed, feeling defenseless. She can't run and hide anywhere, and remember, she is a cat. She doesn't know that he can't get in the cage somehow. I think she was peeing on the bed out of stress, and, I don't know if you've had her tested yet, but stress can lead to a UTI. For future reference, the best way to introduce a new cat is to put her in a separate, low-traffic room that your resident cat will not be all that upset by not being allowed in for a while, like a guest bedroom or a bathroom. Putting her in your bedroom, where your cat is used to being, was upsetting to the resident cat. So, now it is time for you to start over. Once you have her in the bathroom, place a litterbox, two if you have the room, food and water, and a blanket or cat bed in there with her. If she is still eating and throwing up, then continue feeding her small amounts at a time. Her vomitting was probably also due to stress, and her knowing that there is a strange cat looming that may steal her food. She was probably eating too quickly and not digesting her food. I would give her a tablespoon of food at a time. Just leave it in a dish for her, and walk away. Don't hover or force her to eat it. Check back in 20-30 min and see if she has eaten. However, if she does NOT eat at all, that is a serious issue, and then you may need to force-feed her. But, take it step by step. Remember, YOUR stress level will also affect the cats. If they see you all frazzled, they will not know, esp the new cat, who doesn't know you, what you're up to, and she may think you are out to harm her. I am willing to bet that once she is in the bathroom, she will use the litterbox. If she defecates outside the litterbox, place that in the box while she is watching. Make sure you use an enzyme-based cleaner like Nature's Miracle to clean. It will get the urine smell out better, making her less likely to go in the same place again. Watch for signs of struggling to urinate or blood in the urine, those are signs of a UTI. Visit her in the bathroom. Talk calmly to her, and give her lots of love. After a couple of days, bring a towel or something with your cat's scent on it into the bathroom and leave it there. Then leave a towel or blanket for her to sleep on, and then bring that out for your cat to smell. Leave it around an area he frequents, so he gets used to her scent. Once you feel things are calmed down, slowly introduce the two. Crack the door and let them sniff each other. Bring resident cat in for supervised visits. When you feel she is ready, let her out for a tour of the house. I really hope all goes well. And most importantly, GET SOME SLEEP! If you have any questions, please feel free to email me, . -- -Kelly kelly at farringtons dot net Check out www.snittens.com
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November 15th 03, 02:20 AM
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"MaryL" -OUT-THE-LITTER wrote in message ... "Luvskats00" wrote in message ... ...Sometimes cats that have problems like this, at this age are almost irreversible. I agree with Mary regarding putting her in a bathroom until she settles down, and you get on a normal sleeping schedule, and minimize your damages....granted your resident cat is neutered and declawed, I would just let them go at it. You are dealing with two elderly cats, not tigers. They are going to have to deal with each other eventually I hope I'm making correct decisions here. I'm caging her until I know she can use the litterbox NOT my bed...and she goes 24 hours w/out throwing up. As for putting her in the bathroom...I don't want to find any surprises in there...putting her in the bathroom will NOT force her to use the litterbox...As for sleeping...I do need to replace the mattress..it is impossible to mask the odor AND that is a trigger to the new cat as a place to pea and a trigger to the resident cat as a territorial marker to frenzy about. I am still considering a week's stay at a mental health facility...more updates later. Thanky thanky all. Putting her in the bathroom would not force her to use a litterbox, but it surely would be easier to clean than your mattress. If the floor is vinyl (rather than carpet), then it would be easier still. MaryL Force is not the issue. Cats are creatures of habit. One great reason to adopt a cat that has been in a no-kill shelter for a while is that they have gotten used to using their litter box, because normally they have so little space, if they don't use the litter box they will be eliminating where they sleep or eat. the bathroom treatment is the same concept. AND--until habit kicks in, it is certainly easier to clean up the mess.
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