Is it wrong to want another purebred?

Meghan Noecker wrote:
On 4 Apr 2005 14:22:04 -0700, "Steve G"
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And don't most shelters require you sign a contract to keep them
inside. Mine did. And my sister's did too.

Mine did not, but the breeder I got my other cat from did (plus a
no-declaw clause).

Then again, such contracts are basically worthless because they cannot
practically be enforced.

Steve.

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"Ashley" wrote in message
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"Ashley" wrote in message
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Cats are the ones *causing* the danger here, not being the victims of
it.

If you are so concerned about cats *causing* danger to wildlife there
I
think it's even more irresponsible of you to endanger your environment
like
that - leaving aside the fact that you're endangering your cat!

In cities, or any urban area, the major risk to flora and fauna is
habitat
removal, not cats.

But you *just* said "Cats are the ones *causing* the danger here, not
being
the victims of it."! You really *are* an idiot! ROTFLMAO!



It really is, as Sherry said, like shooting fish in a barrel. And now we
have Steve G. and ceb swimming around in there. Enough fish
for everyone!

"Ashley" wrote in message
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"Meghan Noecker" wrote in message
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On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 12:39:07 -0400, "Mary" wrote:



Please do not mistake Ashley's "knowledge" of anything for the
truth. I believe it has been shown that her knowledge base is,
well, a little light.



Of course

I was hoping that I might be able to open her mind just a little.

Apperently, in her area, everybody lives 5 miles or more apart from
each other. Nobody visits her. And she doesn't ever make a mistake.


Sigh. You were doing well on the "intelligent debate" stakes up until this
point, Meghan.

Psst. You are a condescending piece of ****, and a dim bulb at that.
Nobody cares what you think about them.

In article om,
enlightened us with...

kaeli wrote:

Dogs can be dangerous (to humans).

So?
An awful lot of people don't want someone else's cats on their
property.

You asked "I STILL want to know why people think cats should be able to
roam,
but have no problems with dog leash laws...". I suggested this is
partially because dogs can be dangerous (to humans).

You are now arguing that cats should have leash laws, or that free
roaming cats provide their own inconveniences for others.

Um, that was my point. That people are fine with dog leash laws, but not fine
with cat leash laws. Implying that I feel that what applies to one should
apply to both.

Was I too obscure again?

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I worried/worry about this too -- I know I would feel absolutely
horrible
if something happened to Rosalie outside, or if something had happened
to
Madeline. But I balance that fear with the knowledge that their lives
would be much less happy if they couldn't go out.


If I had a house, I'd have someone build a large enclosed cat run with a
cat
door (or ramp from a window) for my cats. They could go out, be in the
grass,
chase bugs and such, but still be safe.


I really, really want to do this!!

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enlightened us with...

I didn't mean to imply that we shouldn't CARE about cats as we care about
children, I meant that comparisons between cats and humans based on each
one's capacity for autonomy are not helpful. I love Rosalie as a family
member, too. But she is better at protecting herself than my friend's 3
year old daughter is. I don't think it's true that she is "equivalent" to
a toddler -- that's the comparison that isn't helpful, IMO.

I don't feel they are equivalent 100%. Far from it.
I do think that one can make comparisons between things that aren't 100% the
same, though.
Heck, some mentally disabled adults aren't as good at protecting themselves
as some toddlers, but that doesn't mean we don't compare them. Compare and
contrast is the hallmark of humanity. Or english class. One of the two.

The point was that neither a toddler nor a cat (or a dog, etc) can make an
informed decision based on something someone tells them. They simply can't
comprehend it and process it. I cannot teach a child about red/green lights
until they are old enough to "get it". Therefore it is my job to see that
they don't wander into traffic. Same for my pets. Same for a mentally
disabled adult in my care. Do all those beings have the same intelligence
level? Of course not! They are similar, not the same.

Can a cat learn to avoid cars? Sure!! But can they learn to be extra careful
and watch for the light even when they're scared and running from something,
or distracted and chasing a pretty little butterfly? I doubt it. And I can't
explain to them what might happen. I can't explain an abstract concept like
"the possibility of death" to a cat or a baby.


I have lived in places where my cat couldn't go out at all -- I'm not
trying to convince you that you should let your cat out. I'm just giving
my reasons and trying to explain that one can love their pets as family
members and yet have a differing view on this subject.

Oh, I didn't mean to make it sound like I was disagreeing with you on the
whole "I love my cat but I let it out" thing. I'm sure most people who let
their cats out (especially the ones who post here) love their cats and the
cats pretty much stay in their own yards/gardens.
In fact, it seems to me a lot of the people who let them out do so *because*
they love them and think that it's what is best. I don't see too many who say
they let the cat out because they don't care what happens to it! (at least
not here on this group)

I don't let MY cats out because where I live is not safe. And I don't believe
in letting cats roam [1] where I live because it isn't safe (and in so
populous an area, it's just plain rude, too).
I know nothing about where you live. Only you can say how safe your place is,
how safe your cats are, where they are allowed to go, etc.

[1] Note that I am usually careful to use the word 'roam' -- I have no
problems with letting your cats wander about your own property if you live in
an area with no predators to harm them. I have a problem with people who let
their cats roam, which implies that the cat is all over the neighborhood, in
other people's yards, getting into things that aren't yours, etc.

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Steve G wrote:
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Anyway, let's see what you could've won...ah a lovely set of pinking
shears and an orange. Shame, shame.

LOL...For some reason this stuck me as exceptionally funny this AM.
Thanks.


God knows you need something to cheer you up, you
nasty old crone.

In article .com,
enlightened us with...

Anyway, let's see what you could've won...ah a lovely set of pinking
shears and an orange. Shame, shame.

You are _such_ a ****head sometimes.

*laughing*

Mean, but funny.

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"Steve G" wrote in message
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Mary wrote:
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Yes indeed. And we all know that if Ashley says it, it is true!
She has a vast knowledge base.

She lives in NZ. We do not. This gives her more weight when commenting
on NZ.


Oh yes, you must be right. I got killfiled just after she said there
was no animal abuse in NZ and I posted the NZ RSPCA site
that mentioned "30 of the worst cases of 2004."

"Steve G" wrote in message
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Mary wrote:
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When you accused me of backpedaling, I was not wrong.

We're not so green we're cabbage-looking.

Well, I wasn't. When your good buddy Lynnie the Socialist (*choke*)
Netcop detailed her eye disease here in the cat group I said "Wow. So
it isn't always nice people that terrible things happen to."

When Mary L. accused me of being happy about Lynnie's
macular degeneration I merely pointed out that that is not
what I said. Because it wasn't what I said.

You called that backpedaling. As usual, you are full of ****.

(There you go, Catnipped! I did that just for you. This is typical
Steve sniping. He can't hold his own in a fair argument, so this is
what he does. I rarely call him on it, but since you called Ashley on
the same fatuous bull****, I thought hey, why not.)