I went onto Facebook and found

Once again when a cat was found dead here from a heart attack someone came
on from the USA and brought up the inside/outside debate again.
It wouldn't have made any difference, FGS.

I rarely enter into the inside/outside debate. It's safe here in the Uk and
not in America and we must agree to disagree. I don't know of any cat
shelter here who would agree to home a cat into a indoor home.
so that's the difference between our countries and I suggest we leave it at
that.
Please.

Christina Websell wrote:
Once again when a cat was found dead here from a heart attack someone came
on from the USA and brought up the inside/outside debate again.
It wouldn't have made any difference, FGS.

I rarely enter into the inside/outside debate. It's safe here in the Uk and
not in America and we must agree to disagree.

I don't know of any cat
shelter here who would agree to home a cat into a indoor home.
so that's the difference between our countries and I suggest we leave it at
that.
Please.

Depends upon WHERE in the USA! (In the American Southwest, they are
likely to fall prey to coyotes or other predators.) Also, the barbaric
practice of declawing is legal here, which it is not in the UK - another
reason for "indoor" cats, even though some people let THEM out, too.
(Don't suppose anyone asks the cat whether it would prefer to be
"indoor-outdoor" or not.)

"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote in message
m...


Christina Websell wrote:
Once again when a cat was found dead here from a heart attack someone
came on from the USA and brought up the inside/outside debate again.
It wouldn't have made any difference, FGS.

I rarely enter into the inside/outside debate. It's safe here in the Uk
and not in America and we must agree to disagree.

I don't know of any cat shelter here who would agree to home a cat into
a indoor home.
so that's the difference between our countries and I suggest we leave it
at that.
Please.

Depends upon WHERE in the USA! (In the American Southwest, they are
likely to fall prey to coyotes or other predators.) Also, the barbaric
practice of declawing is legal here, which it is not in the UK - another
reason for "indoor" cats, even though some people let THEM out, too.
(Don't suppose anyone asks the cat whether it would prefer to be
"indoor-outdoor" or not.)

I think my cat prefers to be out/in but I don't want to argue about it. I
can't imagine why a cat would want to be kept inside all the time but that's
your culture. It's not ours.
and I don't like that we are always defending ourselves about letting them
roam. That's what they should do.

On Sunday, September 7, 2014 2:24:35 PM UTC-4, Christina Websell wrote:
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote in message

m...





Christina Websell wrote:

Once again when a cat was found dead here from a heart attack someone

came on from the USA and brought up the inside/outside debate again.

It wouldn't have made any difference, FGS.



I rarely enter into the inside/outside debate. It's safe here in the Uk

and not in America and we must agree to disagree.



I don't know of any cat shelter here who would agree to home a cat into

a indoor home.

so that's the difference between our countries and I suggest we leave it

at that.

Please.



Depends upon WHERE in the USA! (In the American Southwest, they are

likely to fall prey to coyotes or other predators.) Also, the barbaric

practice of declawing is legal here, which it is not in the UK - another

reason for "indoor" cats, even though some people let THEM out, too.

(Don't suppose anyone asks the cat whether it would prefer to be

"indoor-outdoor" or not.)



I think my cat prefers to be out/in but I don't want to argue about it. I

can't imagine why a cat would want to be kept inside all the time but that's

your culture. It's not ours.

and I don't like that we are always defending ourselves about letting them

roam. That's what they should do.

My wife and I have two indoor neutered calicos and they seem very content.

One word should suffice here in South Georgia for the hordes of outdoor cats: FLEAS

Christina Websell wrote:

I think my cat prefers to be out/in but I don't want to argue about it. I
can't imagine why a cat would want to be kept inside all the time but that's
your culture. It's not ours.
and I don't like that we are always defending ourselves about letting them
roam. That's what they should do.

Oh, I agree! The retirement residence, where I live now, requires that
pets be kept in or leashed. (How many cats do you know who will walk on
a leash?) However, it was not so long ago that you had to give up your
pets if you moved into such a facility. Thank heaven for all the
studies proving that pets are good for people!

On 9/8/2014 3:07 PM, EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:


Christina Websell wrote:

I think my cat prefers to be out/in but I don't want to argue about
it. I can't imagine why a cat would want to be kept inside all the
time but that's your culture. It's not ours.
and I don't like that we are always defending ourselves about letting
them roam. That's what they should do.

Oh, I agree! The retirement residence, where I live now, requires that
pets be kept in or leashed. (How many cats do you know who will walk on
a leash?) However, it was not so long ago that you had to give up your
pets if you moved into such a facility. Thank heaven for all the
studies proving that pets are good for people!

I knew a cat that loved to walk on a leash. I was a little girl at
the time.

Yes, lots of retirement residences and even apartments often won't let
people have pets. Cats, dogs, doesn't matter. If they do allow pets
they are supposed to be kept indoors or leashed when outside. There is
added monthly pet rent plus a hefty pet deposit in case of damage.
There is also a limit on the number of pets and, in the case of dogs, a
weight limit.

Jill

jmcquown wrote:


Yes, lots of retirement residences and even apartments often won't let
people have pets. Cats, dogs, doesn't matter. If they do allow pets
they are supposed to be kept indoors or leashed when outside. There is
added monthly pet rent plus a hefty pet deposit in case of damage. There
is also a limit on the number of pets and, in the case of dogs, a weight
limit.

That's true where I live, too, but at least we are ALLOWED pets, so long
as we can care for them. Also "service animals" are an exception to the
size limitation - seeing eye dogs, of course, but others as well - one
woman here has a fair-sized spaniel which can predict her seizures, so
it is allowed all over the facility (leashed 0f course, and not in the
dining room).

"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote in message
m...


Christina Websell wrote:
Once again when a cat was found dead here from a heart attack someone
came on from the USA and brought up the inside/outside debate again.
It wouldn't have made any difference, FGS.

I rarely enter into the inside/outside debate. It's safe here in the Uk
and not in America and we must agree to disagree.

I don't know of any cat shelter here who would agree to home a cat into
a indoor home.
so that's the difference between our countries and I suggest we leave it
at that.
Please.

Depends upon WHERE in the USA! (In the American Southwest, they are
likely to fall prey to coyotes or other predators.) Also, the barbaric
practice of declawing is legal here, which it is not in the UK - another
reason for "indoor" cats, even though some people let THEM out, too.
(Don't suppose anyone asks the cat whether it would prefer to be
"indoor-outdoor" or not.)

It's up to you all to tell your vets that declawing is not acceptable in any
country in the world except the USA. If my vet did it except for medical
reasons he'd be struck off.
Refuse to go to a vet who does it and tell them why.

The Other Guy wrote:
On Sun, 7 Sep 2014 19:45:21 +0100, "Christina Websell"
wrote:

It's up to you all to tell your vets that declawing is not acceptable in any
country in the world except the USA.

The United States PRIDES itself on it's freedom.

Sometimes, often in fact, it's freedom to do stupid things,
but it IS still freedom.

Since 9/11/01 and the "Patriot Act" we're not nearly so "free" as you
seem to think!

I don't know of any cat shelter here who would agree to home a cat
into a indoor home.

In Edinburgh they greatly prefer that cats should be allowed out, but
they can't very well refuse all the time since such a large proportion
of the city's population lives in upper-floor flats.


(Don't suppose anyone asks the cat whether it would prefer to be
"indoor-outdoor" or not.)

Ours got the choice when we moved here (cottage with a garden in
a fairly quiet area) from a top-floor city flat. The results
were quite variable. They all took to going out immediately,
but as they got older things changed. Ishmael kept going out
all night even when he was old, weak and terminally ill with
cancer; Muriel gradually lost interest in the outdoors, despite
being in very good physical shape. Our Chloe is now about the
same age and it takes a lot of persuading to get her outside at
all. I have to open the back door and show her where the patches
of sunshine are before she takes any interest.

It might be that male cats have a thing about having their own
bit of territory somewhere. Ishmael had a clump of bushes across
the back lane which he used to live in for most of each summer,
growling at any strange cat who came near it. Ollie has another
clump of bushes at the other end of the row - we're in a small
terrace of six cottages, so it's about 100 yards away, and he
commutes to work down there for half the day.

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