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On 9/8/2014 3:07 PM, EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:


Christina Websell wrote:

I think my cat prefers to be out/in but I don't want to argue about
it. I can't imagine why a cat would want to be kept inside all the
time but that's your culture. It's not ours.
and I don't like that we are always defending ourselves about letting
them roam. That's what they should do.

Oh, I agree! The retirement residence, where I live now, requires that
pets be kept in or leashed. (How many cats do you know who will walk on
a leash?) However, it was not so long ago that you had to give up your
pets if you moved into such a facility. Thank heaven for all the
studies proving that pets are good for people!

I knew a cat that loved to walk on a leash. I was a little girl at
the time.

Yes, lots of retirement residences and even apartments often won't let
people have pets. Cats, dogs, doesn't matter. If they do allow pets
they are supposed to be kept indoors or leashed when outside. There is
added monthly pet rent plus a hefty pet deposit in case of damage.
There is also a limit on the number of pets and, in the case of dogs, a
weight limit.

Jill

On 9/9/2014 9:29 PM, MaryL wrote:


"Christina Websell" wrote in message
...


Were they declawed? No. Of course not.
I'm enraged about it atm.

~~~~~~~
Declawing is an abomination, but I hope you do realize that even in the
US the vast majority of cats are not declawed. That does not make it
"right." Far from it, but some of your messages sound like you think all
of our cats are declawed. The rescue group I use, for example, has an
absolute prohibition against it and will not adopt to anyone who intends
to have this done. I do agree with you that the major problem is with
vets (profit motive, I would say), but there are also many people who
make it clear that they will have a cat euthanized if a vet will not
amputate.

MaryL


Yes, it does often sound like she thinks all US cats are declawed. It's
simply not true. Here on RPCA she's preaching to the choir. Would I
rather Persia *not* have been declawed? Of course! Would I have turned
her away if she hadn't been? Certainly not.

Jill

On Sunday, September 7, 2014 10:23:42 AM UTC-7, Christina Websell wrote:
I don't know of any cat shelter here who would agree to home a cat into a indoor home.

Some will depending on circumstances/cats need i.e. FIV+. blind etc.

I live in a first foor flat on a VERY busy main road. Virtually all the cats around here are indoor cats. Is it cruel? Well I'd never adopt a cat that was used to outdoor- mine have all come in as kittens and been kept in (apart from our first cat who lived with us when we had a ground floor flat- he ran off and was never found)apart from vet trips, which they'd rather avoid anyway. We do have certain bonuses for indoor cats i.e. this place has amaxingly tall ceilings so there's loads of room for cats to climb up and run around. Also Dave is here all day to give tnem attention.


I don't claim it's ideal - ideal would be like Marina has- indoor with access to an outdoor enclosure but take Dunzi and Sarsi they were going to be sold to a pet shop if I hadn't offered them a home. Bonnie was headed for a shelter if they couldn't find her a home. Right now she's curled up next to me asleep- she seems pretty happy as for exercising her natural hunting instinct- she devastates passing flies

I get annoyed with the UK shelters when it comses this issue. We are looking for a kitten (Bonnie's only 3 and needs the company- an older cat might cause problems and wouldn'y be fair on either cat- I think we can go to about a year old tops) And I may have to look at Gumtree.....Don't want to because it encourages people to breed kittens for profit but..As I say I'm not saying this is perfect but the food is good, trays and water bowl changed at least daily, lots of play time and loving attention, nice places to sleep, room to climb, tons of cat toys and a good brushing if wanted and pretty much as soon as we get the new arrival- a vet check up. chipping and if needed a spay appointment sorted out- is this not better than sitting in a shelter esepcially as I am perfectly happy to adaopt a black cat? Colour doesn't mean nothing to me

Lesley

Slave of the Fabulous Furball (soon we hope to be Furballs again)

On Tuesday, September 9, 2014 12:45:46 PM UTC-7, Judith Latham wrote:
.. My local Wilkinsons store has a big box where you can put pet food that either you have no use for (unopened of course) or some that you've bought in the store and want to donate. This food is then given to a local animal charity.

I'll ask mine to consider it. A few years back our local shelter stood outside the "Iceland's" that was open at the time asking for donations of food (as they said "If they give us money then we'd spent it on food anyway") During a "buy two get one free" promotion on catfood so people gave them the"free can"- their transit van had to make 6 trips back to the shelter to unload then come back for the next load

Lesley

Slave of the Fabulous Furball (not for very much longer I hope)

jmcquown wrote:


Yes, lots of retirement residences and even apartments often won't let
people have pets. Cats, dogs, doesn't matter. If they do allow pets
they are supposed to be kept indoors or leashed when outside. There is
added monthly pet rent plus a hefty pet deposit in case of damage. There
is also a limit on the number of pets and, in the case of dogs, a weight
limit.

That's true where I live, too, but at least we are ALLOWED pets, so long
as we can care for them. Also "service animals" are an exception to the
size limitation - seeing eye dogs, of course, but others as well - one
woman here has a fair-sized spaniel which can predict her seizures, so
it is allowed all over the facility (leashed 0f course, and not in the
dining room).

jmcquown wrote:
On 9/9/2014 9:29 PM, MaryL wrote:


"Christina Websell" wrote in message
...


Were they declawed? No. Of course not.
I'm enraged about it atm.

~~~~~~~
Declawing is an abomination, but I hope you do realize that even in the
US the vast majority of cats are not declawed. That does not make it
"right." Far from it, but some of your messages sound like you think all
of our cats are declawed. The rescue group I use, for example, has an
absolute prohibition against it and will not adopt to anyone who intends
to have this done. I do agree with you that the major problem is with
vets (profit motive, I would say), but there are also many people who
make it clear that they will have a cat euthanized if a vet will not
amputate.

MaryL


Yes, it does often sound like she thinks all US cats are declawed. It's
simply not true. Here on RPCA she's preaching to the choir. Would I
rather Persia *not* have been declawed? Of course! Would I have turned
her away if she hadn't been? Certainly not.

Jill

And I certainly was not going to provide a home for Cendrillon because
her previous owner had her declawed! (Although, since the declawing
procedure generally is performed along with spaying or neutering, it was
a bit of a shock when she came in heat a week after I adopted her!)

jmcquown wrote:
On 9/9/2014 9:29 PM, MaryL wrote:


"Christina Websell" wrote in message
...


Were they declawed? No. Of course not.
I'm enraged about it atm.

~~~~~~~
Declawing is an abomination, but I hope you do realize that even in the
US the vast majority of cats are not declawed. That does not make it
"right." Far from it, but some of your messages sound like you think all
of our cats are declawed. The rescue group I use, for example, has an
absolute prohibition against it and will not adopt to anyone who intends
to have this done. I do agree with you that the major problem is with
vets (profit motive, I would say), but there are also many people who
make it clear that they will have a cat euthanized if a vet will not
amputate.

MaryL


Yes, it does often sound like she thinks all US cats are declawed. It's
simply not true. Here on RPCA she's preaching to the choir. Would I
rather Persia *not* have been declawed? Of course! Would I have turned
her away if she hadn't been? Certainly not.

Jill

And I certainly was not going to refuse to provide a home for Cendrillon
because her previous owner had her declawed! (Although, since the
declawing procedure generally is performed along with spaying or
neutering, it was a bit of a shock when she came in heat a week after I
adopted her!)

On 9/10/2014 7:33 PM, EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:


jmcquown wrote:


Yes, lots of retirement residences and even apartments often won't let
people have pets. Cats, dogs, doesn't matter. If they do allow pets
they are supposed to be kept indoors or leashed when outside. There
is added monthly pet rent plus a hefty pet deposit in case of damage.
There is also a limit on the number of pets and, in the case of dogs,
a weight limit.

That's true where I live, too, but at least we are ALLOWED pets, so long
as we can care for them. Also "service animals" are an exception to the
size limitation - seeing eye dogs, of course, but others as well - one
woman here has a fair-sized spaniel which can predict her seizures, so
it is allowed all over the facility (leashed 0f course, and not in the
dining room).

I lived in a few apartments when I was much younger and had my little
dog with me. I *always* made sure I could have pets. I wouldn't live
in a place that didn't allow pets. I did have to pay extra pet rent.
It's pretty common in the US.

After my little dog Sampson died I had them subtract the monthly pet
rent. I'm pretty sure I didn't tell them Persia decided to move in with
me. She was an indoor cat so they didn't realize she was there. Well,
except for when the maintenance man had to pull the stove out to unplug
it to replace an element. He found all those butterscotch candies.
Oh... uh, that was my cat playing. He didn't care. He wasn't
"management". No skin off his nose if I had a cat as long as she didn't
attack him.

Jill

On 9/10/2014 4:27 PM, Lesley Madigan wrote:
On Sunday, September 7, 2014 10:23:42 AM UTC-7, Christina Websell wrote:
I don't know of any cat shelter here who would agree to home a cat into a indoor home.

Some will depending on circumstances/cats need i.e. FIV+. blind etc.

I live in a first foor flat on a VERY busy main road. Virtually all the cats around here
are indoor cats. Is it cruel? Well I'd never adopt a cat that was used to outdoor- mine
have all come in as kittens and been kept in (apart from our first cat who lived with us
when we had a ground floor flat- he ran off and was never found)

Telling.

apart from vet trips, which they'd rather avoid anyway. We do have certain bonuses for indoor
cats i.e. this place has amaxingly tall ceilings so there's loads of room for cats to climb up
and run around. Also Dave is here all day to give tnem attention.

Yes, there are bonuses! My house has lots of windows and tall ceilings.
Plenty of places to perch. Persia was pretty much a "ground dweller"
but she did like to get on the back of chairs and the back of the sofa
and look out the windows. I bought her kitty steps so she could see
outside the taller windows.

I don't claim it's ideal - ideal would be like Marina has- indoor with access to an outdoor enclosure
but take Dunzi and Sarsi they were going to be sold to a pet shop if I hadn't offered them a home.
Bonnie was headed for a shelter if they couldn't find her a home. Right now she's curled up next to me
asleep- she seems pretty happy as for exercising her natural hunting instinct- she devastates passing flies

Persia would hunt bugs and the occasional moth that got into the house.
It was pretty funny to watch.

I get annoyed with the UK shelters when it comses this issue. We are looking for a kitten (Bonnie's only 3
and needs the company- an older cat might cause problems and wouldn'y be fair on either cat- I think we
can go to about a year old tops) And I may have to look at Gumtree.

Sorry, I don't know a thing about Gumtree.

Lesley

Slave of the Fabulous Furball (soon we hope to be Furballs again)

I don't think you can paint the UK or USA or *any* cat with one brush.
Persia was perfectly content to be an indoor cat. Tweed makes it sound
as if indoor cats lead a horrible life. That was not the case. She's
stomping on a platform that doesn't fit with any beliefs but her own.
By her own admission KFC was picked up wandering, dropped off and
killed. Boyfie was seriously injuried while wandering, who knows how or
where. I don't understand why the encouragement to let cats run loose.
It won't happen in my world. Any cat I have will be an indoor cat.
And they won't live a deprived life because of it.

Jill

On 9/7/2014 1:23 PM, Christina Websell wrote:

Once again when a cat was found dead here from a heart attack someone came
on from the USA and brought up the inside/outside debate again.
It wouldn't have made any difference, FGS.

I rarely enter into the inside/outside debate. It's safe here in the Uk and
not in America and we must agree to disagree. I don't know of any cat
shelter here who would agree to home a cat into a indoor home.
so that's the difference between our countries and I suggest we leave it at
that.
Please.




So why did you bring it up? You know it's going to bring up emotions
and opinions. Drop it.

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