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September 24th 03, 05:25 PM
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From: "Mary"
Sure. It's called "table scraps." Dogs lived on it too, somehow. But alas not for very long. Modern commercially prepared foods, good veterinary care and routine vaccinations have vastly extended the life of domestic pets. Cite source or retract!!!!!!!!!!  (smiling, but serious)-Alison in OH I must agree, Alison. If one were to choose a single factor that has extended the lives of cats, for example, I would choose the fact that more people keep them inside where they are safe. UK or US, I make no distinction. Anywhere there may be fleas and other parasites, dogs and other predators, motor vehicles, vicious humans, and/or potentially dangerous temperature extremes is not a safe place for a cat. Do they have more fun outside? You bet! They just do not tend to live too long. I had a friend who once said she would rather her cats live shorter lives and be outside "as they are meant to be." She got her wish. Three disappeared, either poisoned, stolen, or killed, two got hit by cars, and one was killed and tossed in her yard. She has a new one now. I believe you are definitely right. Many more people are keeping cats indoors and this is the biggest factor in life extension for cats. I think cats live longer if they are living the cushy life Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm 
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September 24th 03, 05:25 PM
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From: "Mary"
Sure. It's called "table scraps." Dogs lived on it too, somehow. But alas not for very long. Modern commercially prepared foods, good veterinary care and routine vaccinations have vastly extended the life of domestic pets. Cite source or retract!!!!!!!!!! (smiling, but serious)-Alison in OH I must agree, Alison. If one were to choose a single factor that has extended the lives of cats, for example, I would choose the fact that more people keep them inside where they are safe. UK or US, I make no distinction. Anywhere there may be fleas and other parasites, dogs and other predators, motor vehicles, vicious humans, and/or potentially dangerous temperature extremes is not a safe place for a cat. Do they have more fun outside? You bet! They just do not tend to live too long. I had a friend who once said she would rather her cats live shorter lives and be outside "as they are meant to be." She got her wish. Three disappeared, either poisoned, stolen, or killed, two got hit by cars, and one was killed and tossed in her yard. She has a new one now. I believe you are definitely right. Many more people are keeping cats indoors and this is the biggest factor in life extension for cats. I think cats live longer if they are living the cushy life Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm
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#64
September 24th 03, 05:25 PM
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From: "Mary"
Sure. It's called "table scraps." Dogs lived on it too, somehow. But alas not for very long. Modern commercially prepared foods, good veterinary care and routine vaccinations have vastly extended the life of domestic pets. Cite source or retract!!!!!!!!!! (smiling, but serious)-Alison in OH I must agree, Alison. If one were to choose a single factor that has extended the lives of cats, for example, I would choose the fact that more people keep them inside where they are safe. UK or US, I make no distinction. Anywhere there may be fleas and other parasites, dogs and other predators, motor vehicles, vicious humans, and/or potentially dangerous temperature extremes is not a safe place for a cat. Do they have more fun outside? You bet! They just do not tend to live too long. I had a friend who once said she would rather her cats live shorter lives and be outside "as they are meant to be." She got her wish. Three disappeared, either poisoned, stolen, or killed, two got hit by cars, and one was killed and tossed in her yard. She has a new one now. I believe you are definitely right. Many more people are keeping cats indoors and this is the biggest factor in life extension for cats. I think cats live longer if they are living the cushy life Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm
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September 24th 03, 05:34 PM
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From: kaeli
Not to mention the fact that people didn't know (or care) about dog nutrition. They gave them scraps from the table or killing room, not a healthy, balanced BARF diet. The people didn't live as long, either. A healthy diet, commercial or otherwise, extends life. Since people usually won't prepare (time, money, etc) a well balanced raw diet, commercially prepared foods are the healthiest option. Logically: Healthy diet extends life. BARF (prepared correctly) is healthy. Commercial dog foods are healthy. Scraps are not healthy. Conclusion: If people won't prepare a BARF diet and there is no commercial food, dogs don't live as long. I agree, table scraps cannot compare to a well balance properly prepared home diet. I do know someone who has been feeding a raw diet for over 30 years. But I don't think it was very common back then. ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm
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#66
September 24th 03, 05:34 PM
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From: kaeli
Not to mention the fact that people didn't know (or care) about dog nutrition. They gave them scraps from the table or killing room, not a healthy, balanced BARF diet. The people didn't live as long, either. A healthy diet, commercial or otherwise, extends life. Since people usually won't prepare (time, money, etc) a well balanced raw diet, commercially prepared foods are the healthiest option. Logically: Healthy diet extends life. BARF (prepared correctly) is healthy. Commercial dog foods are healthy. Scraps are not healthy. Conclusion: If people won't prepare a BARF diet and there is no commercial food, dogs don't live as long. I agree, table scraps cannot compare to a well balance properly prepared home diet. I do know someone who has been feeding a raw diet for over 30 years. But I don't think it was very common back then. ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm
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#67
September 24th 03, 05:34 PM
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From: kaeli
Not to mention the fact that people didn't know (or care) about dog nutrition. They gave them scraps from the table or killing room, not a healthy, balanced BARF diet. The people didn't live as long, either. A healthy diet, commercial or otherwise, extends life. Since people usually won't prepare (time, money, etc) a well balanced raw diet, commercially prepared foods are the healthiest option. Logically: Healthy diet extends life. BARF (prepared correctly) is healthy. Commercial dog foods are healthy. Scraps are not healthy. Conclusion: If people won't prepare a BARF diet and there is no commercial food, dogs don't live as long. I agree, table scraps cannot compare to a well balance properly prepared home diet. I do know someone who has been feeding a raw diet for over 30 years. But I don't think it was very common back then. ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm
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#68
September 24th 03, 05:57 PM
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"PawsForThought" wrote: I believe you are definitely right. Many more people are keeping cats indoors and this is the biggest factor in life extension for cats. I think cats live longer if they are living the cushy life Lauren ________ And it it so hard to see that my rescue is being deprived by living inside. This cat sleeps on her own pillow on our bed, wakes me every morning with the neatest kitty greating--she begins meowing softly as she approaches, then stops at about my hip level and peers at me, meowing questioningly, like, "you awake?" I then greet her, "Cheeky, good morning beautiful girl!" and she lets the full greeting meow go and walks right up into the place beside me, waiting to be snuggled, petted, and praised. She follows me around, rubbing up against my legs and purring, brings me her toys as offerings wherever I sit, and only tried to go outside once. She seems content to look out the windows. (There is one upstairs where she can sit in the fresh air and peer through the screen at the birds and squirrels.) Once she ran out the front door and I panicked as there is a busy street there, and as soon as I yelled "Cheeky, NO!" and ran after her, she passed me as I went out the door, only she was coming in! She hasn't tried that again--maybe because of the way I burst into tears as soon as I knew she was safe. G And this was a cat who was rescued pregnant and feral at eight months old at a trailer park, so she surely does know what it is like to be outside. I adopted her at age 2, and she is the light of my life, in part no doubt because of the way the volunteers at the shelter took pains to socilize their animals. She had been in the shelter for five months, packed into a very clean but way too crowded room. I wonder if others have found shelter animals to be so amazingly sweet, and I wonder if it has something to do with getting out of the shelter? See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm
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#69
September 24th 03, 05:57 PM
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"PawsForThought" wrote: I believe you are definitely right. Many more people are keeping cats indoors and this is the biggest factor in life extension for cats. I think cats live longer if they are living the cushy life Lauren ________ And it it so hard to see that my rescue is being deprived by living inside. This cat sleeps on her own pillow on our bed, wakes me every morning with the neatest kitty greating--she begins meowing softly as she approaches, then stops at about my hip level and peers at me, meowing questioningly, like, "you awake?" I then greet her, "Cheeky, good morning beautiful girl!" and she lets the full greeting meow go and walks right up into the place beside me, waiting to be snuggled, petted, and praised. She follows me around, rubbing up against my legs and purring, brings me her toys as offerings wherever I sit, and only tried to go outside once. She seems content to look out the windows. (There is one upstairs where she can sit in the fresh air and peer through the screen at the birds and squirrels.) Once she ran out the front door and I panicked as there is a busy street there, and as soon as I yelled "Cheeky, NO!" and ran after her, she passed me as I went out the door, only she was coming in! She hasn't tried that again--maybe because of the way I burst into tears as soon as I knew she was safe. G And this was a cat who was rescued pregnant and feral at eight months old at a trailer park, so she surely does know what it is like to be outside. I adopted her at age 2, and she is the light of my life, in part no doubt because of the way the volunteers at the shelter took pains to socilize their animals. She had been in the shelter for five months, packed into a very clean but way too crowded room. I wonder if others have found shelter animals to be so amazingly sweet, and I wonder if it has something to do with getting out of the shelter? See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm
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#70
September 24th 03, 05:57 PM
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"PawsForThought" wrote: I believe you are definitely right. Many more people are keeping cats indoors and this is the biggest factor in life extension for cats. I think cats live longer if they are living the cushy life Lauren ________ And it it so hard to see that my rescue is being deprived by living inside. This cat sleeps on her own pillow on our bed, wakes me every morning with the neatest kitty greating--she begins meowing softly as she approaches, then stops at about my hip level and peers at me, meowing questioningly, like, "you awake?" I then greet her, "Cheeky, good morning beautiful girl!" and she lets the full greeting meow go and walks right up into the place beside me, waiting to be snuggled, petted, and praised. She follows me around, rubbing up against my legs and purring, brings me her toys as offerings wherever I sit, and only tried to go outside once. She seems content to look out the windows. (There is one upstairs where she can sit in the fresh air and peer through the screen at the birds and squirrels.) Once she ran out the front door and I panicked as there is a busy street there, and as soon as I yelled "Cheeky, NO!" and ran after her, she passed me as I went out the door, only she was coming in! She hasn't tried that again--maybe because of the way I burst into tears as soon as I knew she was safe. G And this was a cat who was rescued pregnant and feral at eight months old at a trailer park, so she surely does know what it is like to be outside. I adopted her at age 2, and she is the light of my life, in part no doubt because of the way the volunteers at the shelter took pains to socilize their animals. She had been in the shelter for five months, packed into a very clean but way too crowded room. I wonder if others have found shelter animals to be so amazingly sweet, and I wonder if it has something to do with getting out of the shelter? See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm
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