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"Cheryl" wrote in message ... On Tue 16 Nov 2004 07:19:40p, GAUBSTER2 wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav ): I'm not questioning the feeding "suggestions" on cans. I'm questioning why Megan thinks she is so much smarter than everybody else. She fancies herself as somewhat of an expert, which is quite amusing to say the least! Why are you so threatened by her? -- Now this is rich. |
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(Steve G) wrote in message . com...
(GAUBSTER2) wrote in message ... From: (...) Regardles of where you got your "information" these calorie requirements far exceed what cats need to maintain weight. A reasonable general rule is to feed 15 calories per pound to maintain weight on an indoor cat with an average activity level. Where did you "get" this info? What is an "average activity level? Is the indoor cat intact or not? IME, she's correct - feeding the recommended amount as printed on cans of cat food invariably leads to a lardarse moggy, especially so for indoor cats. I suppose that an 'average' activity level is the level which leads to the cat's weight being maintained by 15kcal/lb/day, haha... Not sure how many indoor cats are intact, too! Steve. Feeding guides on cans, bags etc are not the issue here however. Feeding guides are mandated by law to hit the 4th section of five sections of the bell curve of animals energy needs. This would be much easier to explain if we could have graphic here, but draw yourself a bell curve, shaped like a church bell, flared at the bottom. Now split the bell into five vertical sections of equal size. Animals on the extreme left side require the least number of claories per day, animals on the extreme right side require the most calories per day. Those in the middle require the "average" nember of calories per day. By law the feeding suggestions on a pet food container must meet the needs of the 4th section to the right of the bell curve. This necessarily forces the feeding requirments on a can or bag to be too high for +60% of the animals fed. Should this be changed? Of course, but those are the current rules. |
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Steve Crane wrote:
The values here come from Small Animal Clinical Nutrition 4th edition page 1034. I hate to break this to you Steve, but SACN is not the word of god, and many things in there are questionable (this was pointed out to you before and you didn't have an answer for it) with these calorie recommendations being one of the things at the top of the list. They were developed by veterinarians who are board certified Diplomates of the American College of Veterinary Nutrition. Sitting in a lab no doubt. If they had real life experience feeding multiple cats from different backgrounds measured portions over the course of many, many years those figures would be far different. In contrast your data comes from where? See above. and who developed the data you present? 27 years of real life experience feeding *many* cats of all different shapes, sizes and genetic dispositions Steve, and ongoing experience helping people who followed your guidelines and have obese cats as a result. Not that much different from what is done in some studies. are you feeding siamese or main coon? "Breed" feeding is a rather ridiculous premise in terms of calorie content, especially when you state below that individual animals need to be fed individually. You should pay more attention to what you post so you don't look so foolish. Did you decide to completely ignore the last paragraph which clearly indicated that individual animals had to be fed individually? Not at all, but the issue here is the calorie requirements you're posting, which are far in excess of what cats require, even those with a high activity level. Right now I am feeding 24 indoor cats (that are for the most part fairly active) 1,385 calories at each meal for a total of 2,770 calories per day total. Average calorie intake per cat amounts to 115 calories per day per cat although obviously some get a little less and some get a little more depending on size. None are skinny/emaciated. As another example Mary L's two cats maintain a perfect weight on 113 calories per day. Why don't you survey people here that feed measured amounts and see what the daily calorie intake is? I'm certain that nobody with a cat that is not obese is feeding the calories you recommend, which is 2 and 1/2 to 3x what most cats need. You can't live your whole life and base all your decisions on what's in a "peer reviewed published study" or a book. Reality is often quite different. Your refusal to acknowledge that fact is unfortunate. Megan "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray |
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"Meghan Noecker" wrote Glucosamine in pet foods is a marketing ploy designed to appeal to humans buying the food. It's illegal to put theraputic levels in pet foods. Well, it is enough that it helps. I haven't been able to get him to eat the vitamins on a regular basis, and he's taking the stairs and jumping on the couch better since I started added the senior food to his other food. Totally agree! If it works it works. |
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