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On 3 Jul, 00:24, Got the gun wrote:
uh, WE WAS TALKING ABOUT NICK AND ASSHOLES IN GENERAL and you know
it (proof is at the bottom)

don't do that **** no more, Im not replying to you no more

HOW DO YOU THINK I FEEL

I don't care what you posted, that's bull****

I jsut dont' like feeling betrayed

I've shown mercy to 1,000's, one more won't kill me

Im done with this





----- Original Message -----
From: sheelagh woollard
To: barry parish
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 5:42 PM
Subject: Barry Replying post

Barry, the words that you are trying to make to make me post on group were said by you, to me. At the time you were indicating that you get to know people, allow them to think that you are their friend, then when they least expect it, BANG, you hit them in the middle of their forehead with it.(31-3-07)
You even explained how easy it is to get people to talk about themselves, how you stored that information for a later date & how shocked they feel when you deliver the final blow....
As one of those victims, I now understand just how true those words really were.
You accuse me on group of quoting your email on group????
Is this so different to telling the group that Bookie is a sad skint teacher?
The way you have treated both Bookie & I with utter contempt is hardly kind, nice or considerate. You have played us like fools, & each time you do it, you think you can just say, "just kidding", & it will all be forgotten.
Have either of us ever told you that you are a dead beat loser? No, we have never done that, so why would you do it to either of us, I ask you?
The difference between us is that I brought my problem to you privately, & you chose to ignore it in your contempt.
I would never have dreamed of telling the group anything that you have told me in private, & I never will. Yet, you are asking me to post you about all of this on group? What kind of creep do you think I am?
However, that doesn't give you carte Blanche to abuse our friendship time & time again Some friend you are?!!! I trusted you, I liked you & most of all, I"respected you"....
You can't buy respect, you have to earn it.
If I have any problems with Nancy, I will go to her with them, not you.
This email regards you, not her.
I was there when you needed a friend, But I see life is different for you.
Read what you had to say, & imagine how you would feel if you were me, or Emily. I know exactly where I went wrong, I allowed you to manipulate me., but you can be sure that will not happen again. You are Barry now. That's it..
I can't trust you not to do it again to me. You have had your fun with us. Now go find someone else to cover your arse & stand up for you. I'm too angry to even think about it right now.YOU HURT US BOTH.
After calling me a sad no one @ Xmas, pulling Bookie to bits twice by saying she is a frustrated broke teacher, & me even more often, & failing to point out that you were there too, I think I could live without friends like that. I don't notice you telling everyone that you asked us for money?
Why would that be? Would it make you look bad?
Because people would see you for what you are really like?
Barry, you hurt us both & neither of us did anything to deserve this, coming from you especially. Like I said, put yourself in our position- it won't take too long for you to understand how badly you treated us. It's well out of order...
However, it is in the past & I for one would rather let it go. I hope you choose to do the same too. It is counter productiver & my own fault for allowing you too.

--
my first post snipped the text, who the heck knows why...
but there is the email from sheelagh just now.
--

Sheelagh, I was not aware that you had a problem with me.
I won't speak about bookie, to my knowledge, she is still playful as
ever and has a good appetite.

rule #1 when we feel "guilty" we seek to justify

see your email above for example of justification
you go as far to put a negative twist on how you and bookie feel
when you know damn well, it's a lie

you know it is, I don't care! Im having champagne

you just can't write me no more.

If I wanted the group to read what I wrote you, I would have posted it
on here.

You should... own up to what you did, be mature, just say, you're
right, I wouldn't like nobody posting things I told them in confidence

Im going right now to fetch your second to last email to me, I bet
my...
that it is you being freindly and nice to me.
this will prove what I just said, that you are trying to justify what
you did.

be right back

--yep she was nice as usual. no sign of problems.
====

sheelagh woollard to me
show details Jun 9

Hi Mate,
it doesn't matter which post I go to, there you are ripping Nicks
pants over his head LOLS & MORE LOLS)
If you don't stop, I will feel, the need to allow my fingers to walk
where they just shouldn't be..
try watching the concert by pod cast, there have been some really good
Bands on today. I'm holding out for Linkin Park personally. I am
gutted that I couldn't go with them this year..It's a really good
event. Everyone chills, plenty of weed, new friends & a nice bottle
under your pillow just in case a smack addict tries robbing you whilst
your asleep.....
It's the weekend & it's a wonderful day
S)

===

Have a wonderful day.

:

Im not angry, but no more emails. you can't be trusted with money or
emails.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

On 3 Jul, 00:24, Got the gun wrote:
uh, WE WAS TALKING ABOUT NICK AND ASSHOLES IN GENERAL and you know
it (proof is at the bottom)
That is debatable. I don't agree!

don't do that **** no more, I'm not replying to you no more

HOW DO YOU THINK I FEEL

Very embarrassed I would imagine?

I wouldn't know really, because you are the one that is making all the
fuss & jumping up and down.

How does it feel to bring a private email & share only half the
content to the group, & amazingly & coincidentally, you you ask me how
you feel??

How do you think I feel?
Oh, I forgot, that isn't the issue here is it

I don't care what you posted, that's bull****

Actually, Barry, you might not have noticed this bit, but I didn't
post anything about this regarding you- you are the one that brought
it to group!!

So I notice. It would seem a case of double standards here. It is ok
for you to bearing half an email written in your favour, then cry
wolf.

I jsut dont' like feeling betrayed

Really?
Tell, me what does it feel like, or would you like me to explain it to
you?

I didn't dish the dirt here, you did!!

You brought some bits of my email, quoted the tiny snippet that you
wanted them to hear, then snipped the rest of it because it is true &
you know it is...

I've shown mercy to 1,000's, one more won't kill me

I don't want your forgiveness.
Why would you forgive me for telling you the truth?

Im done with this

I very much hope so, however, knowing you, you are bound to make a
some song and dance about it all.
Remember, you brought this here, not me!
There is a third party here. That is why you chose to snip my email.
you are relying on the fact that I am far too nice to stoop that low.




----- Original Message -----
From: sheelagh woollard
To: barry parish
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 5:42 PM
Subject: Barry Replying post

Barry, the words that you are trying to make to make me post on group were said by you, to me. At the time you were indicating that you get to know people, allow them to think that you are their friend, then when they least expect it, BANG, you hit them in the middle of their forehead with it.(31-3-07)
You even explained how easy it is to get people to talk about themselves, how you stored that information for a later date & how shocked they feel when you deliver the final blow..

As one of those victims, I now understand just how true those words really were.
You accuse me on group of quoting your email on group????

This is true, as I found to my detriment.

I have been there for you when you needed to talk about some issues, &
I have never told anyone what you have said, ever! I never intend to
either- However, this doesn't give you reason to think that you can
tread all over me simply because I have integrity.
In fact, all you have done is shown me that you are worse than I gave
you credit for. This is really low!!

Is this so different to telling the group that Bookie is a sad skint teacher?
The way you have treated both Bookie & I with utter contempt is hardly kind, nice or considerate. You have played us like fools, & each time you do it, you think you can just say, "just kidding", & it will all be forgotten.

As you have done many times in the past. If you wish me to site them,
I will.

Have either of us ever told you that you are a dead beat loser? No, we have never done that, so why would you do it to either of us, I ask you?
The difference between us is that I brought my problem to you privately, & you chose to ignore it in your contempt.

I never said anything about you here, I never posted anything, & I
would rather not do this in group @ all. What does this have to do
with everyone else Barry?
If you refer to all of what I said in the first place, you know in
your heart that what I say is true. I also have the email to back it
up, so think carefully on this one. Would the 3rd party really thank
you for bringing this subject here?

I think not..!!!

Again, you chose to post this here, not me. It is clear for everyone
on Usenet to see that you are the one that brought this here.. not
me.. You have only to look @Matthews thread, & 2 of your own making,
that you are simply accusing me of what you say I did, when you are
doing the same thing yourself. Read your own words again.

I would never have dreamed of telling the group anything that you have told me in private, & I never will. Yet, you are asking me to post you about all of this on group? What kind of creep do you think I am?
However, that doesn't give you carte Blanche to abuse our friendship time & time again Some friend you are?!!! I trusted you, I liked you & most of all, I"respected you"....
You can't buy respect, you have to earn it.
If I have any problems with Nancy, I will go to her with them, not you.
This email regards you, not her.

This is also true, if Nancy cares to acknowledge it.

I was there when you needed a friend, But I see life is different for you.
Read what you had to say, & imagine how you would feel if you were me, or Emily.
I can quote and site these ones too.

I know exactly where I went wrong, I allowed you to manipulate me., but you can be sure that will not happen again. You are Barry now. That's it..
I can't trust you not to do it again to me. You have had your fun with us. Now go find someone else to cover your arse & stand up for you. I'm too angry to even think about it right now.YOU HURT US BOTH.

Or so I thought.

You have also just confirmed how prophetic my words were, By reading
your own post right here. How is this for accusing someone of
something that you are doing yourself?

I can only speak for myself. If Bookie wishes to mingle with you, it
is her decision to make, not mine. she is perfectly capable of
handling you herself.


After calling me a sad no one @ Xmas, pulling Bookie to bits twice by saying she is a frustrated broke teacher, & me even more often, & failing to point out that you were there too, I think I could live without friends like that. I don't notice you telling everyone that you asked us for money?

Everyone would see that though, had you not chosen to snip my email to
conveniently make you look good.
You did ask me for money on more than one occasion, (by us, I mean
myself and my family)& I can prove that too if you wish me to?
Oh, yes, there is no need really, is there?
You have the *Whole* email already, don't you?

Why would that be? Would it make you look bad?
Because people would see you for what you are really like?
Barry, you hurt us both & neither of us did anything to deserve this, coming from you especially. Like I said, put yourself in our position- it won't take too long for you to understand how badly you treated us. It's well out of order...

I stand by my statement, because it is true. you spent most of may &
all of June completely ignoring me, other than to make derogatory
comments about us.

However, it is in the past & I for one would rather let it go. I hope you choose to do the same too. It is counterproductive & my own fault for allowing you too.

This is still how I would prefer to leave it. If you choose to
continue, you will only dig yourself even deeper & find yourself
talking to, yourself. I will not lower myself to your standards "all
done in the best possible taste by you, of course"

I was stupid to allow you to use me as a sounding post, lending an ear
& letting you away with the rotten things that you did say. I have
learnt my lesson the hard way with you. I was stupid enough to stand
up for you, when really I should have left you to it alone.

NO ONE on this group is interested in who said what to who. This
shouldn't be here @ all...

--
my first post snipped the text, who the heck knows why...
but there is the email from sheelagh just now.
--

Sheelagh, I was not aware that you had a problem with me.
I won't speak about bookie, to my knowledge, she is still playful as
ever and has a good appetite.

I didn't, until you decided to ask why other people were bothering to
respond to both myself & Bookie. What does that have to do with you?

rule #1 when we feel "guilty" we seek to justify

Is this so?

As I don't feel guilty at all, I will have to take your word for that
one.
I have no reason to feel guilty @ all. You caused this fuss, not me. I
would have happily kept this out of group, but you chose to justify
flaming me by only offering half the facts, & pointing out your own
perspective of a conclusion.
What are you looking for,..people to join in?
I certainly wouldn't if it had nothing to do with me.

see your email above for example of justification
you go as far to put a negative twist on how you and bookie feel
when you know damn well, it's a lie

I spoke no lie at all. However, I can see that Bookie is old enough to
handle her own problems & does on a regular basis if she feels she has
the right or passionately about something.

you know it is,
No, I don't know it.

I don't care! Im having champagne

I know that you don't care. You have made it abundantly clear that the
only thing that is important to you, is you & what you want ..

you just can't write me no more.

You need not fear on that one. I would rather avoid you completely if
I could, for ever!!

If I wanted the group to read what I wrote you, I would have posted it
on here.

Well, I hate to be the one to tell you this, but that is exactly what
&you have just done* to me!!!!!!.
I never considered the idea, which is perfectly clearly stated in the
"private email*
I sent...to you & you decide to do in part only!!

You should... own up to what you did, be mature, just say, you're
right, I wouldn't like nobody posting things I told them in confidence

Yet, you are the very person that did exactly that??????
When?
If I had something to apologies for, I would. In this instance, I
don't!

Im going right now to fetch your second to last email to me, I bet
my...
that it is you being freindly and nice to me.
this will prove what I just said, that you are trying to justify what
you did.

be right back

--yep she was nice as usual. no sign of problems.
====

sheelagh woollard to me
show details Jun 9

Hi Mate,
it doesn't matter which post I go to, there you are ripping Nicks
pants over his head LOLS & MORE LOLS)
If you don't stop, I will feel, the need to allow my fingers to walk
where they just shouldn't be..
try watching the concert by pod cast, there have been some really good
Bands on today. I'm holding out for Linkin Park personally. I am
gutted that I couldn't go with them this year..It's a really good
event. Everyone chills, plenty of weed, new friends & a nice bottle
under your pillow just in case a smack addict tries robbing you whilst
your asleep.....
It's the weekend & it's a wonderful day
S)

===
I believe we were talking about my sons first trip to Download that
weekend, & I was being sarcastic about what they might find when they
got there.

Yes, I was being "sheelagh". Sheelagh doesn't look for fights.

Sheelagh had been emailing you for nearly 2 months, & each time I
did, you either ignored them, or sent the entire message back to me
again. This of course is the act of a friend, is it?
What you say, & what you do are two separate things.

Have a wonderful day.
Somehow, your words do not ring true
:

I'm not angry, but no more emails. you can't be trusted with money or

You have no worries on that score. You will never be on any of my
contact lists anymore. As for being trusted with money or friends, I
think that you will find that all you have done in this post, is
confirm that you wanted lots of attention, took over 3 separate posts
& then proceeded to show everyone how terrible I was for printing your
private emails....
Right?!!!

I don't see any printed email content here other than my own.
I did not do that to you @ all.
In fact it is quite the reverse, you have done it to me, & then you
have the Gaul to ask me to say sorry?
forget it!

I'm not sorry for anything. *You made me look a fool* by printing
selective parts of the email you quote here. Had you printed off the
whole email so that everyone could judge this on it's merits, I might
have some pity for you. However, you thought you would just snip what
you wanted everyone to read, & missed out the parts that prove that I
can site, quote & revert back to should the need arise..

As for trusting me with money. Well, that really is the laugh of the
decade.
You have asked me for money,( by your own admission by telling the
group- I had no intention of telling them you had), but then again, no
one would have known that bit, had you not decided to relate that
*bit* of the story, would they?
---------------------
The bottom line is that you chose to post this in part only. If
everyone had the chance to read the whole email, they would be able to
decide for themselves..But you didn't, you only quoted half the email,
leaving out the dates, instances subjects too.
How can anyone form an opinion with only half the facts?
They can't!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now leave me in peace please, because that is what I hope you will do,
same as I will you.

On Jul 3, 3:11 pm, sheelagh wrote:
On 3 Jul, 00:24, Got the gun wrote:





uh, WE WAS TALKING ABOUT NICK AND ASSHOLES IN GENERAL and you know
it (proof is at the bottom)

don't do that **** no more, Im not replying to you no more

HOW DO YOU THINK I FEEL

I don't care what you posted, that's bull****

I jsut dont' like feeling betrayed

I've shown mercy to 1,000's, one more won't kill me

Im done with this

----- Original Message -----
From: sheelagh woollard
To: barry parish
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 5:42 PM
Subject: Barry Replying post

Barry, the words that you are trying to make to make me post on group were said by you, to me. At the time you were indicating that you get to know people, allow them to think that you are their friend, then when they least expect it, BANG, you hit them in the middle of their forehead with it.(31-3-07)
You even explained how easy it is to get people to talk about themselves, how you stored that information for a later date & how shocked they feel when you deliver the final blow....
As one of those victims, I now understand just how true those words really were.
You accuse me on group of quoting your email on group????
Is this so different to telling the group that Bookie is a sad skint teacher?
The way you have treated both Bookie & I with utter contempt is hardly kind, nice or considerate. You have played us like fools, & each time you do it, you think you can just say, "just kidding", & it will all be forgotten.
Have either of us ever told you that you are a dead beat loser? No, we have never done that, so why would you do it to either of us, I ask you?
The difference between us is that I brought my problem to you privately, & you chose to ignore it in your contempt.
I would never have dreamed of telling the group anything that you have told me in private, & I never will. Yet, you are asking me to post you about all of this on group? What kind of creep do you think I am?
However, that doesn't give you carte Blanche to abuse our friendship time & time again Some friend you are?!!! I trusted you, I liked you & most of all, I"respected you"....
You can't buy respect, you have to earn it.
If I have any problems with Nancy, I will go to her with them, not you.
This email regards you, not her.
I was there when you needed a friend, But I see life is different for you.
Read what you had to say, & imagine how you would feel if you were me, or Emily. I know exactly where I went wrong, I allowed you to manipulate me., but you can be sure that will not happen again. You are Barry now. That's it..
I can't trust you not to do it again to me. You have had your fun with us. Now go find someone else to cover your arse & stand up for you. I'm too angry to even think about it right now.YOU HURT US BOTH.
After calling me a sad no one @ Xmas, pulling Bookie to bits twice by saying she is a frustrated broke teacher, & me even more often, & failing to point out that you were there too, I think I could live without friends like that. I don't notice you telling everyone that you asked us for money?
Why would that be? Would it make you look bad?
Because people would see you for what you are really like?
Barry, you hurt us both & neither of us did anything to deserve this, coming from you especially. Like I said, put yourself in our position- it won't take too long for you to understand how badly you treated us. It's well out of order...
However, it is in the past & I for one would rather let it go. I hope you choose to do the same too. It is counter productiver & my own fault for allowing you too.

--
my first post snipped the text, who the heck knows why...
but there is the email from sheelagh just now.
--

Sheelagh, I was not aware that you had a problem with me.
I won't speak about bookie, to my knowledge, she is still playful as
ever and has a good appetite.

rule #1 when we feel "guilty" we seek to justify

see your email above for example of justification
you go as far to put a negative twist on how you and bookie feel
when you know damn well, it's a lie

you know it is, I don't care! Im having champagne

you just can't write me no more.

If I wanted the group to read what I wrote you, I would have posted it
on here.

You should... own up to what you did, be mature, just say, you're
right, I wouldn't like nobody posting things I told them in confidence

Im going right now to fetch your second to last email to me, I bet
my...
that it is you being freindly and nice to me.
this will prove what I just said, that you are trying to justify what
you did.

be right back

--yep she was nice as usual. no sign of problems.
====

sheelagh woollard to me
show details Jun 9

Hi Mate,
it doesn't matter which post I go to, there you are ripping Nicks
pants over his head LOLS & MORE LOLS)
If you don't stop, I will feel, the need to allow my fingers to walk
where they just shouldn't be..
try watching the concert by pod cast, there have been some really good
Bands on today. I'm holding out for Linkin Park personally. I am
gutted that I couldn't go with them this year..It's a really good
event. Everyone chills, plenty of weed, new friends & a nice bottle
under your pillow just in case a smack addict tries robbing you whilst
your asleep.....
It's the weekend & it's a wonderful day
S)

===

Have a wonderful day.

:

Im not angry, but no more emails. you can't be trusted with money or
emails.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

On 3 Jul, 00:24, Got the gun wrote: uh, WE WAS TALKING ABOUT NICK AND ASSHOLES IN GENERAL and you know
it (proof is at the bottom)

That is debatable. I don't agree!

don't do that **** no more, I'm not replying to you no more

HOW DO YOU THINK I FEEL

Very embarrassed I would imagine?

I wouldn't know really, because you are the one that is making all the
fuss & jumping up and down.

How does it feel to bring a private email & share only half the
content to the group, & amazingly & coincidentally, you you ask me how
you feel??

How do you think I feel?
Oh, I forgot, that isn't the issue here is it

I don't care what you posted, that's bull****

Actually, Barry, you might not have noticed this bit, but I didn't
post anything about this regarding you- you are the one that brought
it to group!!

So I notice. It would seem a case of double standards here. It is ok
for you to bearing half an email written in your favour, then cry
wolf.

I jsut dont' like feeling betrayed

Really?
Tell, me what does it feel like, or would you like me to explain it to
you?

I didn't dish the dirt here, you did!!

You brought some bits of my email, quoted the tiny snippet that you
wanted them to hear, then snipped the rest of it because it is true &
you know it is...

I've shown mercy to 1,000's, one more won't kill me

I don't want your forgiveness.
Why would you forgive me for telling you the truth?

Im done with this

I very much hope so, however, knowing you, you are bound to make a
some song and dance about it all.
Remember, you brought this here, not me!
There is a third party here. That is why you chose to snip my email.
you are relying on the fact that I am far too nice to stoop that low.



----- Original Message -----
From: sheelagh woollard
To: barry parish
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 5:42 PM
Subject: Barry Replying post

Barry, the words that you are trying to make to make me post on group were said by you, to me. At the time you were indicating that you get to know people, allow them to think that you are their friend, then when they least expect it, BANG, you hit them in the middle of their forehead with it.(31-3-07)
You even explained how easy it is to get people to talk about themselves, how you stored that information for a later date & how shocked they feel when you deliver the final blow..
As one of those victims, I now understand just how true those words really were.
You accuse me on group of quoting your email on group????

This is true, as I found to my detriment.

I have been there for you when you needed to talk about some issues, &
I have never told anyone what you have said, ever! I never intend to
either- However, this doesn't give you reason to think that you can
tread all over me simply because I have integrity.
In fact, all you have done is shown me that you are worse than I gave
you credit for. This is really low!!

Is this so different to telling the group that Bookie is a sad skint teacher?
The way you have treated both Bookie & I with utter contempt is hardly kind, nice or considerate. You have played us like fools, & each time you do it, you think you can just say, "just kidding", & it will all be forgotten.

As you have done many times in the past. If you wish me to site them,
I will.

Have either of us ever told you that you are a dead beat loser? No, we have never done that, so why would you do it to either of us, I ask you?
The difference between us is that I brought my problem to you privately, & you chose to ignore it in your contempt.

I never said anything about you here, I never posted anything, & I
would rather not do this in group @ all. What does this have to do
with everyone else Barry?
If you refer to all of what I said in the first place, you know in
your heart that what I say is true. I also have the email to back it
up, so think carefully on this one. Would the 3rd party really thank
you for bringing this subject here?

I think not..!!!

Again, you chose to post this here, not me. It is clear for everyone
on Usenet to see that you are the one that brought this here.. not
me.. You have only to look @Matthews thread, & 2 of your own making,
that you are simply accusing me of what you say I did, when you are
doing the same thing yourself. Read your own words again.

I would never have dreamed of telling the group anything that you have told me in private, & I never will. Yet, you are asking me to post you about all of this on group? What kind of creep do you think I am?
However, that doesn't give you carte Blanche to abuse our friendship time & time again Some friend you are?!!! I trusted you, I liked you & most of all, I"respected you"....
You can't buy respect, you have to earn it.
If I have any problems with Nancy, I will go to her with them, not you.
This email regards you, not her.

This is also true, if Nancy cares to acknowledge it.

I was there when you needed a friend, But I see life is different for you.
Read what you had to say, & imagine how you would feel if you were me, or Emily.

I can quote and site these ones too.

I know exactly where I went wrong, I allowed you to manipulate me., but you can be sure that will not happen again. You are Barry now. That's it..
I can't trust you not to do it again to me. You have had your fun with us. Now go find someone else to cover your arse & stand up for you. I'm too angry to even think about it right now.YOU HURT US BOTH.

Or so I thought.

You have also just confirmed how prophetic my words were, By reading
your own post right here. How is this for accusing someone of
something that you are doing yourself?

I can only speak for myself. If Bookie wishes to mingle with you, it
is her decision to make, not mine. she is perfectly capable of
handling you herself.

After calling me a sad no one @ Xmas, pulling Bookie to bits twice by saying she is a frustrated broke teacher, & me even more often, & failing to point out that you were there too, I think I could live without friends like that. I don't notice you telling everyone that you asked us for money?

Everyone would see that though, had you not chosen to snip my email to
conveniently make you look good.
You did ask me for money on more than one occasion, (by us, I mean
myself and my family)& I can prove that too if you wish me to?
Oh, yes, there is no need really, is there?
You have the *Whole* email already, don't you?

Why would that be? Would it make you look bad?
Because people would see you for what you are really like?
Barry, you hurt us both & neither of us did anything to deserve this, coming from you especially. Like I said, put yourself in our position- it won't take too long for you to understand how badly you treated us. It's well out of order...

I stand by my statement, because it is true. you spent most of may &
all of June completely ignoring me, other than to make derogatory
comments about us.

However, it is in the past & I for one would rather let it go. I hope you choose to do the same too. It is counterproductive & my own fault for allowing you too.

This is still how I would prefer to leave it. If you choose to
continue, you will only dig yourself even deeper & find yourself
talking to, yourself. I will not lower myself to your standards "all
done in the best possible taste by you, of course"

I was stupid to allow you to use me as a sounding post, lending an ear
& letting you away with the rotten things that you did say. I have
learnt my lesson the hard way with you. I was stupid enough to stand
up for you, when really I should have left you to it alone.

NO ONE on this group is interested in who said what to who. This
shouldn't be here @ all...

--
my first post snipped the text, who the heck knows why...
but there is the email from sheelagh just now.
--

Sheelagh, I was not aware that you had a problem with me.
I won't speak about bookie, to my knowledge, she is still playful as
ever and has a good appetite.

I didn't, until you decided to ask why other people were bothering to
respond to both myself & Bookie. What does that have to do with you?

rule #1 when we feel "guilty" we seek to justify

Is this so?

As I don't feel guilty at all, I will have to take your word for that
one.
I have no reason to feel guilty @ all. You caused this fuss, not me. I
would have happily kept this out of group, but you chose to justify
flaming me by only offering half the facts, & pointing out your own
perspective of a conclusion.
What are you looking for,..people to join in?
I certainly wouldn't if it had nothing to do with me.

see your email above for example of justification
you go as far to put a negative twist on how you and bookie feel
when you know damn well, it's a lie

I spoke no lie at all. However, I can see that Bookie is old enough to
handle her own problems & does on a regular basis if she feels she has
the right or passionately about something.

you know it is,

No, I don't know it.

I don't care! Im having champagne

I know that you don't care. You have made it abundantly clear that the
only thing that is important to you, is you & what you want ..

you just can't write me no more.

You need not fear on that one. I would rather avoid you completely if
I could, for ever!!

If I wanted the group to read what I wrote you, I would have posted it
on here.

Well, I hate to be the one to tell you this, but that is exactly what
&you have just done* to me!!!!!!.
I never considered the idea, which is perfectly clearly stated in the
"private email*
I sent...to you & you decide to do in part only!!

You should... own up to what you did, be mature, just say, you're
right, I wouldn't like nobody posting things I told them in confidence

Yet, you are the very person that did exactly that??????
When?
If I had something to apologies for, I would. In this instance, I
don't!





Im going right now to fetch your second to last email to me, I bet
my...
that it is you being freindly and nice to me.
this will prove what I just said, that you are trying to justify what
you did.

be right back

--yep she was nice as usual. no sign of problems.
====

sheelagh woollard to me
show details Jun 9

Hi Mate,
it doesn't matter which post I go to, there you are ripping Nicks
pants over his head LOLS & MORE LOLS)
If you don't stop, I will feel, the need to allow my fingers to walk
where they just shouldn't be..
try watching the concert by pod cast, there have been some really good
Bands on today. I'm holding out for Linkin Park personally. I am
gutted that I couldn't go with them this year..It's a really good
event. Everyone chills, plenty of weed, new friends & a nice bottle
under your pillow just in case a smack addict tries robbing you whilst
your asleep.....
It's the weekend & it's a wonderful day
S)

===

I believe we were talking about my sons first trip to Download that
weekend, & I was being sarcastic about what they might find when they
got there.

Yes, I was being "sheelagh". Sheelagh doesn't look for fights.

Sheelagh had been emailing you for nearly 2 months, & each time I
did, you either ignored them, or sent the entire message back to me
again. This of course is the act of a friend, is it?
What you say, & what you do are two separate things.

Have a wonderful day.

Somehow, your words do not ring true

:

I'm not angry, but no more emails. you can't be trusted with money or

You have no worries on that score. You will never be on any of my
contact lists anymore. As for being trusted with money or friends, I
think that you will find that all you have done in this post, is
confirm that you wanted lots of attention, took over 3 separate posts
& then proceeded to show everyone how terrible I was for printing your
private emails....
Right?!!!

I don't see any printed email content here other than my own.
I did not do that to you @ all.
In fact it is quite the reverse, you have done it to me, & then you
have the Gaul to ask me to say sorry?
forget it!

I'm not sorry for anything. *You made me look a fool* by printing
selective parts of the email you quote here. Had you printed off the
whole email so that everyone could judge this on it's merits, I might
have some pity for you. However, you thought you would just snip what
you wanted everyone to read, & missed out the parts that prove that I
can site, quote & revert back to should the need arise..

As for trusting me with money. Well, that really is the laugh of the
decade.
You have asked me for money,( by your own admission by telling the
group- I had no intention of telling them you had), but then again, no
one would have known that bit, had you not decided to relate that
*bit* of the story, would they?
---------------------
The bottom line is that you chose to post this in part only. If
everyone had the chance to read the whole email, they would be able to
decide for themselves..But you didn't, you only quoted half the email,
leaving out the dates, instances subjects too.
How can anyone form an opinion with only half the facts?
They can't!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now leave me in peace please, because that is what I hope you will do,
same as I will you.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I warned you about this manipulative retard Barry, didn't I?
You can hate the messenger, but you can't ignore the message. Avoid
that lying scumbag redneck at all costs. Ask Nancy.

Here endeth the lesson.

On Jul 3, 4:37 pm, 'I feel a swelling love in my bowels'?! ROTFLMAO
wrote:

Here endeth the lesson.


uh, she posted my personal email to her.

Ive been betrayed asshole! stfu mind your own business

that swelling in your bowels is the 3 Egg McMuffins you wolfed down
this morning.
braaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaap!!

On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 12:11:45 -0700, sheelagh wrote:

[snip]

Good grief. I've witnessed some boneheaded melodramas in rpchb, but this
one takes the cake.

Just out of curiosity, who went first with posting material from emails?
My impression is that Barry started this thread as a means of retaliation
because you quoted something he wrote you in an email, i.e.:

"I be friendly to people, then I get all I need to know out of them,
then Wham, I hit them with it when they least expect it, & they don't
know what hits them"

(Message-ID: . com)

Is this taken from a email that Barry sent you, Sheelagh?

Charlie

P.S. If you are sending money to people you meet on Usenet, I want my
share.

On Jul 3, 4:37 pm, 'I feel a swelling love in my bowels'?! ROTFLMAO
wrote:
On Jul 3, 3:11 pm, sheelagh wrote:

On 3 Jul, 00:24, Got the gun wrote:

uh, WE WAS TALKING ABOUT NICK AND ASSHOLES IN GENERAL and you know
it (proof is at the bottom)

don't do that **** no more, Im not replying to you no more

HOW DO YOU THINK I FEEL

I don't care what you posted, that's bull****

I jsut dont' like feeling betrayed

I've shown mercy to 1,000's, one more won't kill me

Im done with this

----- Original Message -----
From: sheelagh woollard
To: barry parish
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 5:42 PM
Subject: Barry Replying post

Barry, the words that you are trying to make to make me post on group were said by you, to me. At the time you were indicating that you get to know people, allow them to think that you are their friend, then when they least expect it, BANG, you hit them in the middle of their forehead with it.(31-3-07)
You even explained how easy it is to get people to talk about themselves, how you stored that information for a later date & how shocked they feel when you deliver the final blow....
As one of those victims, I now understand just how true those words really were.
You accuse me on group of quoting your email on group????
Is this so different to telling the group that Bookie is a sad skint teacher?
The way you have treated both Bookie & I with utter contempt is hardly kind, nice or considerate. You have played us like fools, & each time you do it, you think you can just say, "just kidding", & it will all be forgotten.
Have either of us ever told you that you are a dead beat loser? No, we have never done that, so why would you do it to either of us, I ask you?
The difference between us is that I brought my problem to you privately, & you chose to ignore it in your contempt.
I would never have dreamed of telling the group anything that you have told me in private, & I never will. Yet, you are asking me to post you about all of this on group? What kind of creep do you think I am?
However, that doesn't give you carte Blanche to abuse our friendship time & time again Some friend you are?!!! I trusted you, I liked you & most of all, I"respected you"....
You can't buy respect, you have to earn it.
If I have any problems with Nancy, I will go to her with them, not you.
This email regards you, not her.
I was there when you needed a friend, But I see life is different for you.
Read what you had to say, & imagine how you would feel if you were me, or Emily. I know exactly where I went wrong, I allowed you to manipulate me., but you can be sure that will not happen again. You are Barry now. That's it..
I can't trust you not to do it again to me. You have had your fun with us. Now go find someone else to cover your arse & stand up for you. I'm too angry to even think about it right now.YOU HURT US BOTH.
After calling me a sad no one @ Xmas, pulling Bookie to bits twice by saying she is a frustrated broke teacher, & me even more often, & failing to point out that you were there too, I think I could live without friends like that. I don't notice you telling everyone that you asked us for money?
Why would that be? Would it make you look bad?
Because people would see you for what you are really like?
Barry, you hurt us both & neither of us did anything to deserve this, coming from you especially. Like I said, put yourself in our position- it won't take too long for you to understand how badly you treated us. It's well out of order...
However, it is in the past & I for one would rather let it go. I hope you choose to do the same too. It is counter productiver & my own fault for allowing you too.

--
my first post snipped the text, who the heck knows why...
but there is the email from sheelagh just now.
--

Sheelagh, I was not aware that you had a problem with me.
I won't speak about bookie, to my knowledge, she is still playful as
ever and has a good appetite.

rule #1 when we feel "guilty" we seek to justify

see your email above for example of justification
you go as far to put a negative twist on how you and bookie feel
when you know damn well, it's a lie

you know it is, I don't care! Im having champagne

you just can't write me no more.

If I wanted the group to read what I wrote you, I would have posted it
on here.

You should... own up to what you did, be mature, just say, you're
right, I wouldn't like nobody posting things I told them in confidence

Im going right now to fetch your second to last email to me, I bet
my...
that it is you being freindly and nice to me.
this will prove what I just said, that you are trying to justify what
you did.

be right back

--yep she was nice as usual. no sign of problems.
====

sheelagh woollard to me
show details Jun 9

Hi Mate,
it doesn't matter which post I go to, there you are ripping Nicks
pants over his head LOLS & MORE LOLS)
If you don't stop, I will feel, the need to allow my fingers to walk
where they just shouldn't be..
try watching the concert by pod cast, there have been some really good
Bands on today. I'm holding out for Linkin Park personally. I am
gutted that I couldn't go with them this year..It's a really good
event. Everyone chills, plenty of weed, new friends & a nice bottle
under your pillow just in case a smack addict tries robbing you whilst
your asleep.....
It's the weekend & it's a wonderful day
S)

===

Have a wonderful day.

:

Im not angry, but no more emails. you can't be trusted with money or
emails.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

On 3 Jul, 00:24, Got the gun wrote: uh, WE WAS TALKING ABOUT NICK AND ASSHOLES IN GENERAL and you know
it (proof is at the bottom)

That is debatable. I don't agree!

don't do that **** no more, I'm not replying to you no more

HOW DO YOU THINK I FEEL

Very embarrassed I would imagine?

I wouldn't know really, because you are the one that is making all the
fuss & jumping up and down.

How does it feel to bring a private email & share only half the
content to the group, & amazingly & coincidentally, you you ask me how
you feel??

How do you think I feel?
Oh, I forgot, that isn't the issue here is it

I don't care what you posted, that's bull****

Actually, Barry, you might not have noticed this bit, but I didn't
post anything about this regarding you- you are the one that brought
it to group!!

So I notice. It would seem a case of double standards here. It is ok
for you to bearing half an email written in your favour, then cry
wolf.

I jsut dont' like feeling betrayed

Really?
Tell, me what does it feel like, or would you like me to explain it to
you?

I didn't dish the dirt here, you did!!

You brought some bits of my email, quoted the tiny snippet that you
wanted them to hear, then snipped the rest of it because it is true &
you know it is...

I've shown mercy to 1,000's, one more won't kill me

I don't want your forgiveness.
Why would you forgive me for telling you the truth?

Im done with this

I very much hope so, however, knowing you, you are bound to make a
some song and dance about it all.
Remember, you brought this here, not me!
There is a third party here. That is why you chose to snip my email.
you are relying on the fact that I am far too nice to stoop that low.

----- Original Message -----
From: sheelagh woollard
To: barry parish
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 5:42 PM
Subject: Barry Replying post

Barry, the words that you are trying to make to make me post on group were said by you, to me. At the time you were indicating that you get to know people, allow them to think that you are their friend, then when they least expect it, BANG, you hit them in the middle of their forehead with it.(31-3-07)
You even explained how easy it is to get people to talk about themselves, how you stored that information for a later date & how shocked they feel when you deliver the final blow..
As one of those victims, I now understand just how true those words really were.
You accuse me on group of quoting your email on group????

This is true, as I found to my detriment.

I have been there for you when you needed to talk about some issues, &
I have never told anyone what you have said, ever! I never intend to
either- However, this doesn't give you reason to think that you can
tread all over me simply because I have integrity.
In fact, all you have done is shown me that you are worse than I gave
you credit for. This is really low!!

Is this so different to telling the group that Bookie is a sad skint teacher?
The way you have treated both Bookie & I with utter contempt is hardly kind, nice or considerate. You have played us like fools, & each time you do it, you think you can just say, "just kidding", & it will all be forgotten.

As you have done many times in the past. If you wish me to site them,
I will.

Have either of us ever told you that you are a dead beat loser? No, we have never done that, so why would you do it to either of us, I ask you?
The difference between us is that I brought my problem to you privately, & you chose to ignore it in your contempt.

I never said anything about you here, I never posted anything, & I
would rather not do this in group @ all. What does this have to do
with everyone else Barry?
If you refer to all of what I said in the first place, you know in
your heart that what I say is true. I also have the email to back it
up, so think carefully on this one. Would the 3rd party really thank
you for bringing this subject here?

I think not..!!!

Again, you chose to post this here, not me. It is clear for everyone
on Usenet to see that you are the one that brought this here.. not
me.. You have only to look @Matthews thread, & 2 of your own making,
that you are simply accusing me of what you say I did, when you are
doing the same thing yourself. Read your own words again.

I would never have dreamed of telling the group anything that you have told me in private, & I never will. Yet, you are asking me to post you about all of this on group? What kind of creep do you think I am?
However, that doesn't give you carte Blanche to abuse our friendship time & time again Some friend you are?!!! I trusted you, I liked you & most of all, I"respected you"....
You can't buy respect, you have to earn it.
If I have any problems with Nancy, I will go to her with them, not you.
This email regards you, not her.

This is also true, if Nancy cares to acknowledge it.

I was there when you needed a friend, But I see life is different for you.
Read what you had to say, & imagine how you would feel if you were me, or Emily.

I can quote and site these ones too.

I know exactly where I went wrong, I allowed you to manipulate me., but you can be sure that will not happen again. You are Barry now. That's it..
I can't trust you not to do it again to me. You have had your fun with us. Now go find someone else to cover your arse & stand up for you. I'm too angry to even think about it right now.YOU HURT US BOTH.

Or so I thought.

You have also just confirmed how prophetic my words were, By reading
your own post right here. How is this for accusing someone of
something that you are doing yourself?

I can only speak for myself. If Bookie wishes to mingle with you, it
is her decision to make, not mine. she is perfectly capable of
handling you herself.

After calling me a sad no one @ Xmas, pulling Bookie to bits twice by saying she is a frustrated broke teacher, & me even more often, & failing to point out that you were there too, I think I could live without friends like that. I don't notice you telling everyone that you asked us for money?

Everyone would see that though, had you not chosen to snip my email to
conveniently make you look good.
You did ask me for money on more than one occasion, (by us, I mean
myself and my family)& I can prove that too if you wish me to?
Oh, yes, there is no need really, is there?
You have the *Whole* email already, don't you?

Why would that be? Would it make you look bad?
Because people would see you for what you are really like?
Barry, you hurt us both & neither of us did anything to deserve this, coming from you especially. Like I said, put yourself in our position- it won't take too long for you to understand how badly you treated us. It's well out of order...

I stand by my statement, because it is true. you spent most of may &
all of June completely ignoring me, other than to make derogatory
comments about us.

However, it is in the past & I for one would rather let it go. I hope you choose to do the same too. It is counterproductive & my own fault for allowing you too.

This is still how I would prefer to leave it. If you choose to
continue, you will only dig yourself even deeper & find yourself
talking to, yourself. I will not lower myself to your standards "all
done in the best possible taste by you, of course"

I was stupid to allow you to use me as a sounding post, lending an ear
& letting you away with the rotten things that you did say. I have
learnt my lesson the hard way with you. I was stupid enough to stand
up for you, when really I should have left you to it alone.

NO ONE on this group is interested in who said what to who. This
shouldn't be here @ all...

--
my first post snipped the text, who the heck knows why...
but there is the email from sheelagh just now.
--

Sheelagh, I was not aware that you had a problem with me.
I won't speak about bookie, to my knowledge, she is still playful as
ever and has a good appetite.

I didn't, until you decided to ask why other people were bothering to
respond to both myself & Bookie. What does that have to do with you?

rule #1 when we feel "guilty" we seek to justify

Is this so?

As I don't feel guilty at all, I will have to take your word for that
one.
I have no reason to feel guilty @ all. You caused this fuss, not me. I
would have happily kept this out of group, but you chose to justify
flaming me by only offering half the facts, & pointing out your own
perspective of a conclusion.
What are you looking for,..people to join in?
I certainly wouldn't if it had nothing to do with me.

see your email above for example of justification
you go as far to put a negative twist on how you and bookie feel
when you know damn well, it's a lie

I spoke no lie at all. However, I can see that Bookie is old enough to
handle her own problems & does on a regular basis if she feels she has
the right or passionately about something.

you know it is,

No, I don't know it.

I don't care! Im having champagne

I know that you don't care. You have made it abundantly clear that the
only thing that is important to you, is you & what you want ..

you just can't write me no more.

You need not fear on that one. I would rather avoid you completely if
I could, for ever!!

If I wanted the group to read what I wrote you, I would have posted it
on here.

Well, I hate to be the one to tell you this, but that is exactly what
&you have just done* to me!!!!!!.
I never considered the idea, which is perfectly clearly stated in the
"private email*
I sent...to you & you decide to do in part only!!

You should... own up to what you did, be mature, just say, you're
right, I wouldn't like nobody posting things I told them in confidence

Yet, you are the very person that did exactly that??????
When?
If I had something to apologies for, I would. In this instance, I
don't!

Im going right now to fetch your second to last email to me, I bet
my...
that it is you being freindly and nice to me.
this will prove what I just said, that you are trying to justify what
you did.

be right back

--yep she was nice as usual. no sign of problems.
====

sheelagh woollard to me
show details Jun 9

Hi Mate,
it doesn't matter which post I go to, there you are ripping Nicks
pants over his head LOLS & MORE LOLS)
If you don't stop, I will feel, the need to allow my fingers to walk
where they just shouldn't be..
try watching the concert by pod cast, there have been some really good
Bands on today. I'm holding out for Linkin Park personally. I am
gutted that I couldn't go with them this year..It's a really good
event. Everyone chills, plenty of weed, new friends & a nice bottle
under your pillow just in case a smack addict tries robbing you whilst
your asleep.....
It's the weekend & it's a wonderful day
S)

===

I believe we were talking about my sons first trip to Download that
weekend, & I was being sarcastic about what they might find when they
got there.

Yes, I was being "sheelagh". Sheelagh doesn't look for fights.

Sheelagh had been emailing you for nearly 2 months, & each time I
did, you either ignored them, or sent the entire message back to me
again. This of course is the act of a friend, is it?
What you say, & what you do are two separate things.

Have a wonderful day.

Somehow, your words do not ring true

:

I'm not angry, but no more emails. you can't be trusted with money or

You have no worries on that score. You will never be on any of my
contact lists anymore. As for being trusted with money or friends, I
think that you will find that all you have done in this post, is
confirm that you wanted lots of attention, took over 3 separate posts
& then proceeded to show everyone how terrible I was for printing your
private emails....
Right?!!!

I don't see any printed email content here other than my own.
I did not do that to you @ all.
In fact it is quite the reverse, you have done it to me, & then you
have the Gaul to ask me to say sorry?
forget it!

I'm not sorry for anything. *You made me look a fool* by printing
selective parts of the email you quote here. Had you printed off the
whole email so that everyone could judge this on it's merits, I might
have some pity for you. However, you thought you would just snip what
you wanted everyone to read, & missed out the parts that prove that I
can site, quote & revert back to should the need arise..

As for trusting me with money. Well, that really is the laugh of the
decade.
You have asked me for money,( by your own admission by telling the
group- I had no intention of telling them you had), but then again, no
one would have known that bit, had you not decided to relate that
*bit* of the story, would they?
---------------------
The bottom line is that you chose to post this in part only. If
everyone had the chance to read the whole email, they would be able to
decide for themselves..But you didn't, you only quoted half the email,
leaving out the dates, instances subjects too.
How can anyone form an opinion with only half the facts?
They can't!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now leave me in peace please, because that is what I hope you will do,
same as I will you.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I warned you about this manipulative retard Barry, didn't I?
You can hate the messenger, but you can't ignore the message. Avoid
that lying scumbag redneck at all costs. Ask Nancy.

Here endeth the lesson.

is goin cost you tubby, in slices of fat from your back

and ankles

I can't figure how these movie producers think they are scaring the
public with this boo stuff

keep it up and I might turn a few of my doctor friends onto your
garbage, see what they think
an intervention may be possible yet, I think they have a gown to fit
you

On Jul 3, 7:25 pm, Got the gun wrote:
is goin cost you tubby, in slices of fat from your back

and ankles

Hmmm...."Got the gun", do you? And now threatening violence? Comcast
should be interested in this.

OOPS! Too late to delete the post, Franklin -- already got the full
headers.
Buh bye, dickhead.

On Jul 3, 7:25 pm, Got the gun wrote:
On Jul 3, 4:37 pm, 'I feel a swelling love in my bowels'?! ROTFLMAO

wrote:
On Jul 3, 3:11 pm, sheelagh wrote:

On 3 Jul, 00:24, Got the gun wrote:

uh, WE WAS TALKING ABOUT NICK AND ASSHOLES IN GENERAL and you know
it (proof is at the bottom)

don't do that **** no more, Im not replying to you no more

HOW DO YOU THINK I FEEL

I don't care what you posted, that's bull****

I jsut dont' like feeling betrayed

I've shown mercy to 1,000's, one more won't kill me

Im done with this

----- Original Message -----
From: sheelagh woollard
To: barry parish
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 5:42 PM
Subject: Barry Replying post

Barry, the words that you are trying to make to make me post on group were said by you, to me. At the time you were indicating that you get to know people, allow them to think that you are their friend, then when they least expect it, BANG, you hit them in the middle of their forehead with it.(31-3-07)
You even explained how easy it is to get people to talk about themselves, how you stored that information for a later date & how shocked they feel when you deliver the final blow....
As one of those victims, I now understand just how true those words really were.
You accuse me on group of quoting your email on group????
Is this so different to telling the group that Bookie is a sad skint teacher?
The way you have treated both Bookie & I with utter contempt is hardly kind, nice or considerate. You have played us like fools, & each time you do it, you think you can just say, "just kidding", & it will all be forgotten.
Have either of us ever told you that you are a dead beat loser? No, we have never done that, so why would you do it to either of us, I ask you?
The difference between us is that I brought my problem to you privately, & you chose to ignore it in your contempt.
I would never have dreamed of telling the group anything that you have told me in private, & I never will. Yet, you are asking me to post you about all of this on group? What kind of creep do you think I am?
However, that doesn't give you carte Blanche to abuse our friendship time & time again Some friend you are?!!! I trusted you, I liked you & most of all, I"respected you"....
You can't buy respect, you have to earn it.
If I have any problems with Nancy, I will go to her with them, not you.
This email regards you, not her.
I was there when you needed a friend, But I see life is different for you.
Read what you had to say, & imagine how you would feel if you were me, or Emily. I know exactly where I went wrong, I allowed you to manipulate me., but you can be sure that will not happen again. You are Barry now. That's it..
I can't trust you not to do it again to me. You have had your fun with us. Now go find someone else to cover your arse & stand up for you. I'm too angry to even think about it right now.YOU HURT US BOTH.
After calling me a sad no one @ Xmas, pulling Bookie to bits twice by saying she is a frustrated broke teacher, & me even more often, & failing to point out that you were there too, I think I could live without friends like that. I don't notice you telling everyone that you asked us for money?
Why would that be? Would it make you look bad?
Because people would see you for what you are really like?
Barry, you hurt us both & neither of us did anything to deserve this, coming from you especially. Like I said, put yourself in our position- it won't take too long for you to understand how badly you treated us. It's well out of order...
However, it is in the past & I for one would rather let it go. I hope you choose to do the same too. It is counter productiver & my own fault for allowing you too.

--
my first post snipped the text, who the heck knows why...
but there is the email from sheelagh just now.
--

Sheelagh, I was not aware that you had a problem with me.
I won't speak about bookie, to my knowledge, she is still playful as
ever and has a good appetite.

rule #1 when we feel "guilty" we seek to justify

see your email above for example of justification
you go as far to put a negative twist on how you and bookie feel
when you know damn well, it's a lie

you know it is, I don't care! Im having champagne

you just can't write me no more.

If I wanted the group to read what I wrote you, I would have posted it
on here.

You should... own up to what you did, be mature, just say, you're
right, I wouldn't like nobody posting things I told them in confidence

Im going right now to fetch your second to last email to me, I bet
my...
that it is you being freindly and nice to me.
this will prove what I just said, that you are trying to justify what
you did.

be right back

--yep she was nice as usual. no sign of problems.
====

sheelagh woollard to me
show details Jun 9

Hi Mate,
it doesn't matter which post I go to, there you are ripping Nicks
pants over his head LOLS & MORE LOLS)
If you don't stop, I will feel, the need to allow my fingers to walk
where they just shouldn't be..
try watching the concert by pod cast, there have been some really good
Bands on today. I'm holding out for Linkin Park personally. I am
gutted that I couldn't go with them this year..It's a really good
event. Everyone chills, plenty of weed, new friends & a nice bottle
under your pillow just in case a smack addict tries robbing you whilst
your asleep.....
It's the weekend & it's a wonderful day
S)

===

Have a wonderful day.

:

Im not angry, but no more emails. you can't be trusted with money or
emails.- Hide quoted text -

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On 3 Jul, 00:24, Got the gun wrote: uh, WE WAS TALKING ABOUT NICK AND ASSHOLES IN GENERAL and you know
it (proof is at the bottom)

That is debatable. I don't agree!

don't do that **** no more, I'm not replying to you no more

HOW DO YOU THINK I FEEL

Very embarrassed I would imagine?

I wouldn't know really, because you are the one that is making all the
fuss & jumping up and down.

How does it feel to bring a private email & share only half the
content to the group, & amazingly & coincidentally, you you ask me how
you feel??

How do you think I feel?
Oh, I forgot, that isn't the issue here is it

I don't care what you posted, that's bull****

Actually, Barry, you might not have noticed this bit, but I didn't
post anything about this regarding you- you are the one that brought
it to group!!

So I notice. It would seem a case of double standards here. It is ok
for you to bearing half an email written in your favour, then cry
wolf.

I jsut dont' like feeling betrayed

Really?
Tell, me what does it feel like, or would you like me to explain it to
you?

I didn't dish the dirt here, you did!!

You brought some bits of my email, quoted the tiny snippet that you
wanted them to hear, then snipped the rest of it because it is true &
you know it is...

I've shown mercy to 1,000's, one more won't kill me

I don't want your forgiveness.
Why would you forgive me for telling you the truth?

Im done with this

I very much hope so, however, knowing you, you are bound to make a
some song and dance about it all.
Remember, you brought this here, not me!
There is a third party here. That is why you chose to snip my email.
you are relying on the fact that I am far too nice to stoop that low.

----- Original Message -----
From: sheelagh woollard
To: barry parish
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 5:42 PM
Subject: Barry Replying post

Barry, the words that you are trying to make to make me post on group were said by you, to me. At the time you were indicating that you get to know people, allow them to think that you are their friend, then when they least expect it, BANG, you hit them in the middle of their forehead with it.(31-3-07)
You even explained how easy it is to get people to talk about themselves, how you stored that information for a later date & how shocked they feel when you deliver the final blow..
As one of those victims, I now understand just how true those words really were.
You accuse me on group of quoting your email on group????

This is true, as I found to my detriment.

I have been there for you when you needed to talk about some issues, &
I have never told anyone what you have said, ever! I never intend to
either- However, this doesn't give you reason to think that you can
tread all over me simply because I have integrity.
In fact, all you have done is shown me that you are worse than I gave
you credit for. This is really low!!

Is this so different to telling the group that Bookie is a sad skint teacher?
The way you have treated both Bookie & I with utter contempt is hardly kind, nice or considerate. You have played us like fools, & each time you do it, you think you can just say, "just kidding", & it will all be forgotten.

As you have done many times in the past. If you wish me to site them,
I will.

Have either of us ever told you that you are a dead beat loser? No, we have never done that, so why would you do it to either of us, I ask you?
The difference between us is that I brought my problem to you privately, & you chose to ignore it in your contempt.

I never said anything about you here, I never posted anything, & I
would rather not do this in group @ all. What does this have to do
with everyone else Barry?
If you refer to all of what I said in the first place, you know in
your heart that what I say is true. I also have the email to back it
up, so think carefully on this one. Would the 3rd party really thank
you for bringing this subject here?

I think not..!!!

Again, you chose to post this here, not me. It is clear for everyone
on Usenet to see that you are the one that brought this here.. not
me.. You have only to look @Matthews thread, & 2 of your own making,
that you are simply accusing me of what you say I did, when you are
doing the same thing yourself. Read your own words again.

I would never have dreamed of telling the group anything that you have told me in private, & I never will. Yet, you are asking me to post you about all of this on group? What kind of creep do you think I am?
However, that doesn't give you carte Blanche to abuse our friendship time & time again Some friend you are?!!! I trusted you, I liked you & most of all, I"respected you"....
You can't buy respect, you have to earn it.
If I have any problems with Nancy, I will go to her with them, not you.
This email regards you, not her.

This is also true, if Nancy cares to acknowledge it.

I was there when you needed a friend, But I see life is different for you.
Read what you had to say, & imagine how you would feel if you were me, or Emily.

I can quote and site these ones too.

I know exactly where I went wrong, I allowed you to manipulate me., but you can be sure that will not happen again. You are Barry now. That's it..
I can't trust you not to do it again to me. You have had your fun with us. Now go find someone else to cover your arse & stand up for you. I'm too angry to even think about it right now.YOU HURT US BOTH.

Or so I thought.

You have also just confirmed how prophetic my words were, By reading
your own post right here. How is this for accusing someone of
something that you are doing yourself?

I can only speak for myself. If Bookie wishes to mingle with you, it
is her decision to make, not mine. she is perfectly capable of
handling you herself.

After calling me a sad no one @ Xmas, pulling Bookie to bits twice by saying she is a frustrated broke teacher, & me even more often, & failing to point out that you were there too, I think I could live without friends like that. I don't notice you telling everyone that you asked us for money?

Everyone would see that though, had you not chosen to snip my email to
conveniently make you look good.
You did ask me for money on more than one occasion, (by us, I mean
myself and my family)& I can prove that too if you wish me to?
Oh, yes, there is no need really, is there?
You have the *Whole* email already, don't you?

Why would that be? Would it make you look bad?
Because people would see you for what you are really like?
Barry, you hurt us both & neither of us did anything to deserve this, coming from you especially. Like I said, put yourself in our position- it won't take too long for you to understand how badly you treated us. It's well out of order...

I stand by my statement, because it is true. you spent most of may &
all of June completely ignoring me, other than to make derogatory
comments about us.

However, it is in the past & I for one would rather let it go. I hope you choose to do the same too. It is counterproductive & my own fault for allowing you too.

This is still how I would prefer to leave it. If you choose to
continue, you will only dig yourself even deeper & find yourself
talking to, yourself. I will not lower myself to your standards "all
done in the best possible taste by you, of course"

I was stupid to allow you to use me as a sounding post, lending an ear
& letting you away with the rotten things that you did say. I have
learnt my lesson the hard way with you. I was stupid enough to stand
up for you, when really I should have left you to it alone.

NO ONE on this group is interested in who said what to who. This
shouldn't be here @ all...

--
my first post snipped the text, who the heck knows why...
but there is the email from sheelagh just now.
--

Sheelagh, I was not aware that you had a problem with me.
I won't speak about bookie, to my knowledge, she is still playful as
ever and has a good appetite.

I didn't, until you decided to ask why other people were bothering to
respond to both myself & Bookie. What does that have to do with you?

rule #1 when we feel "guilty" we seek to justify

Is this so?

As I don't feel guilty at all, I will have to take your word for that
one.
I have no reason to feel guilty @ all. You caused this fuss, not me. I
would have happily kept this out of group, but you chose to justify
flaming me by only offering half the facts, & pointing out your own
perspective of a conclusion.
What are you looking for,..people to join in?
I certainly wouldn't if it had nothing to do with me.

see your email above for example of justification
you go as far to put a negative twist on how you and bookie feel
when you know damn well, it's a lie

I spoke no lie at all. However, I can see that Bookie is old enough to
handle her own problems & does on a regular basis if she feels she has
the right or passionately about something.

you know it is,

No, I don't know it.

I don't care! Im having champagne

I know that you don't care. You have made it abundantly clear that the
only thing that is important to you, is you & what you want ..

you just can't write me no more.

You need not fear on that one. I would rather avoid you completely if
I could, for ever!!

If I wanted the group to read what I wrote you, I would have posted it
on here.

Well, I hate to be the one to tell you this, but that is exactly what
&you have just done* to me!!!!!!.
I never considered the idea, which is perfectly clearly stated in the
"private email*
I sent...to you & you decide to do in part only!!

You should... own up to what you did, be mature, just say, you're
right, I wouldn't like nobody posting things I told them in confidence

Yet, you are the very person that did exactly that??????
When?
If I had something to apologies for, I would. In this instance, I
don't!

Im going right now to fetch your second to last email to me, I bet
my...
that it is you being freindly and nice to me.
this will prove what I just said, that you are trying to justify what
you did.

be right back

--yep she was nice as usual. no sign of problems.
====

sheelagh woollard to me
show details Jun 9

Hi Mate,
it doesn't matter which post I go to, there you are ripping Nicks
pants over his head LOLS & MORE LOLS)
If you don't stop, I will feel, the need to allow my fingers to walk
where they just shouldn't be..
try watching the concert by pod cast, there have been some really good
Bands on today. I'm holding out for Linkin Park personally. I am
gutted that I couldn't go with them this year..It's a really good
event. Everyone chills, plenty of weed, new friends & a nice bottle
under your pillow just in case a smack addict tries robbing you whilst
your asleep.....
It's the weekend & it's a wonderful day
S)

===

I believe we were talking about my sons first trip to Download that
weekend, & I was being sarcastic about what they might find when they
got there.

Yes, I was being "sheelagh". Sheelagh doesn't look for fights.

Sheelagh had been emailing you for nearly 2 months, & each time I
did, you either ignored them, or sent the entire message back to me
again. This of course is the act of a friend, is it?
What you say, & what you do are two separate things.

Have a wonderful day.

Somehow, your words do not ring true

:

I'm not angry, but no more emails. you can't be trusted with money or

You have no worries on that score. You will never be on any of my
contact lists anymore. As for being trusted with money or friends, I
think that you will find that all you have done in this post, is
confirm that you wanted lots of attention, took over 3 separate posts
& then proceeded to show everyone how terrible I was for printing your
private emails....
Right?!!!

I don't see any printed email content here other than my own.
I did not do that to you @ all.
In fact it is quite the reverse, you have done it to me, & then you
have the Gaul to ask me to say sorry?
forget it!

I'm not sorry for anything. *You made me look a fool* by printing
selective parts of the email you quote here. Had you printed off the
whole email so that everyone could judge this on it's merits, I might
have some pity for you. However, you thought you would just snip what
you wanted everyone to read, & missed out the parts that prove that I
can site, quote & revert back to should the need arise..

As for trusting me with money. Well, that really is the laugh of the
decade.
You have asked me for money,( by your own admission by telling the
group- I had no intention of telling them you had), but then again, no
one would have known that bit, had you not decided to relate that
*bit* of the story, would they?
---------------------
The bottom line is that you chose to post this in part only. If
everyone had the chance to read the whole email, they would be able to
decide for themselves..But you didn't, you only quoted half the email,
leaving out the dates, instances subjects too.
How can anyone form an opinion with only half the facts?
They can't!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now leave me in peace please, because that is what I hope you will do,
same as I will you.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

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I warned you about this manipulative retard Barry, didn't I?
You can hate the messenger, but you can't ignore the message. Avoid
that lying scumbag redneck at all costs. Ask Nancy.

Here endeth the lesson.

is goin cost you tubby, in slices of fat from your back

and ankles

I can't figure how these movie producers think they are scaring the
public with this boo stuff

keep it up and I might turn a few of my doctor friends onto your
garbage, see what they think
an intervention may be possible yet, I think they have a gown to fit
you

nooo silly, in it's context, the hospitol is where you will lose
weight. from your back and ankles.
cause you can't sit and eat a 12 pack of moon pies, a 6 pack of cokes,
and bacon....in the hospitol.
wtf are you talking about threat?

btw, did you get the song I sent you last night?

On Jul 3, 7:51 pm, 'I feel a swelling love in my bowels'?! ROTFLMAO
wrote:
On Jul 3, 7:25 pm, Got the gun wrote:

is goin cost you tubby, in slices of fat from your back

and ankles

Hmmm...."Got the gun", do you? And now threatening violence? Comcast
should be interested in this.

OOPS! Too late to delete the post, Franklin -- already got the full
headers.
Buh bye, dickhead.

repost!

nooo silly, in it's context, the hospitol is where you will lose
weight. from your back and ankles.
cause you can't sit and eat a 12 pack of moon pies, a 6 pack of
cokes,
and bacon....in the hospitol.
wtf are you talking about threat?

btw, did you get the song I sent you last night?

On 3 Jul, 22:09, Charlie Wilkes
wrote:
On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 12:11:45 -0700, sheelagh wrote:

[snip]

Good grief. I've witnessed some boneheaded melodramas in rpchb, but this
one takes the cake.

Just out of curiosity, who went first with posting material from emails?
My impression is that Barry started this thread as a means of retaliation
because you quoted something he wrote you in an email, i.e.:

"I be friendly to people, then I get all I need to know out of them,
then Wham, I hit them with it when they least expect it, & they don't
know what hits them"

(Message-ID: . com)

Is this taken from a email that Barry sent you, Sheelagh?

Charlie

P.S. If you are sending money to people you meet on Usenet, I want my
share.

for what it's worth I couldn't care less who knows I am a skint
teacher, i used to tell the kids I taught how skint I was, regularly
made a joke about it, hoping to put them off even thinking about
becoming teachers and instead direct them to much more satisfying
careers such as road sweeper, bin man, abbatoir worker, etc. teachers
in this country are not paid what they are worth and often not even
enough to live on which is one of the reasons I am getting out of it,
no shame in saying that is there?

also 'sad' hmmm...well i suppose that is one alternative term for
clinical depression, but that is not what this group os about is it,
hence I don't talk about that as is it just not interesting or
relevant to this group. I am certainly not ashamed of it though, far
from it, it is a great excuse to be a miserable whinging old cow
anytime i like.

honestly i couldn't care less what people say about me, if it true
then i have probably told everyoneabout it and if it is not then i do
not worry about it. if someone nthe other side of the planet, someone
i will never meet, chooses to judge me based solely on what some
cretin (who i will also never meet) says about me then i could not
give a **** about their opinion anyway.

simple really, anyway i must get some sleep , it is the first day of
henley tomorrow and i am very excited about it. lot sof fit men
wandering about it tight lycra. no cats unfortunately.
bookie

On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 18:58:15 -0700, bookie wrote:

On 3 Jul, 22:09, Charlie Wilkes
wrote:
On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 12:11:45 -0700, sheelagh wrote:

[snip]

Good grief. I've witnessed some boneheaded melodramas in rpchb, but
this one takes the cake.

Just out of curiosity, who went first with posting material from
emails? My impression is that Barry started this thread as a means of
retaliation because you quoted something he wrote you in an email,
i.e.:

"I be friendly to people, then I get all I need to know out of them,
then Wham, I hit them with it when they least expect it, & they don't
know what hits them"

(Message-ID: . com)

Is this taken from a email that Barry sent you, Sheelagh?

Charlie

P.S. If you are sending money to people you meet on Usenet, I want my
share.

for what it's worth I couldn't care less who knows I am a skint teacher,
i used to tell the kids I taught how skint I was, regularly made a joke
about it, hoping to put them off even thinking about becoming teachers
and instead direct them to much more satisfying careers such as road
sweeper, bin man, abbatoir worker, etc. teachers in this country are not
paid what they are worth and often not even enough to live on which is
one of the reasons I am getting out of it, no shame in saying that is
there?

No, but why are you offering these observations in response to my post
asking whether Barry or Sheelagh was the first to post material from
private emails?

also 'sad' hmmm...well i suppose that is one alternative term for
clinical depression, but that is not what this group os about is it,
hence I don't talk about that as is it just not interesting or relevant
to this group. I am certainly not ashamed of it though, far from it, it
is a great excuse to be a miserable whinging old cow anytime i like.

honestly i couldn't care less what people say about me, if it true then
i have probably told everyoneabout it and if it is not then i do not
worry about it. if someone nthe other side of the planet, someone i will
never meet, chooses to judge me based solely on what some cretin (who i
will also never meet) says about me then i could not give a **** about
their opinion anyway.

simple really, anyway i must get some sleep , it is the first day of
henley tomorrow and i am very excited about it. lot sof fit men
wandering about it tight lycra. no cats unfortunately. bookie

I looked at the web page. Are you going to participate?

Charlie