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In article ,
(GAUBSTER2) wrote:

An argument that Wellness or
Innova is harming animals' health because of a label claim to support
growth, I take issue with.

I'm not saying they are "harming animals' health". I'm questioning their
nutritional efficacy and attention to research. I maintain that those
companies market their foods to consumers based on emotion and NOT on feline
nutrition. They may do palatability studies, but that's as far as they go
when
it comes to "research".

Sorry, but I'm gonna need some evidence of this.

If a consumer wants to feed the wrong lifestage diet
to their pet, that doesn't mean it's the company's fault. You're stricting
talking AAFCO feeding tests. I'm talking nutrient profiles (which I wish I
had
the AAFCO mins and maxs in front of me to help me or you make the point).
Why would you feed a food that is formulated (with or without feeding trials
having been conducted) for kittens (who have higher nutrient requirements) to
adult and/or senior cats? Probably 98% or more of consumers don't have a
clue
anyway.

I'm disappointed that this is your response to my carefully-written
post. I thought I made my point quite clearly: it seems obvious from the
evidence that there are two INDEPENDENT ways to claim a product is
complete and balanced for a particular life stage. Either the product is
formulated according to AAFCO standards, OR the product is tested
according to AAFCO feed protocols. "Formulated...for kittens (with or
without feeding trials...)" shows you haven't been listening to a word
I've written.

And an argument that this ingredient or that
one must be bad because it's found in POOP? Well that just might
infuriate me.

The point I'm trying to make w/ that argument is clearly an emotional one.
The
same type of emotional argument that the "all natural" crowd tries to make
against synthetic antioxidants. I'm providing an example of something
"natural" being included in certain foods that can be thought of as "gross"
and
is completely unneccessary for healthy cats to begin with. If you are a
Hill's
basher because of their ingredients or (former) preservatives, you should be
infuriated since you've just been caught if you try to defend foods that have
enteroccous faecium!

Yes, I recognize this. This is precisely what I tried to set out for
Megan at the beginning of the thread, that you are attempting to hand
out tit for tat. Problem is, your TIT has been thoroughly and completely
disproven into the ground. So why is it always next verse, same as the
first? Are you THAT enamored of the argument? Is it the only one you've
got up your sleeve?

"I'm providing an example of something "natural" being included in
certain foods that can be thought of as "gross" and is completely
unneccessary for healthy cats to begin with."

Hey Chris, is it completely unnecessary for healthy women to keep up
their acidophilous intake--yannow, eat yogurt and what not as we've been
told to do--in order to stave off vaginal yeast infections? Inquiring
minds want to know.

-Alison in OH

Alison Perera wrote:

In article ,
(Karen M.) wrote:


Alison,
Your post was kind of confusing, but in the following post G2 says he
worked for PetSmart for years, that's why he "knows" so much. I didn't
realize PetSmart *had* nutritional specialists...


*My* post was kind of confusing? Sorry, but I definitely think that
Lauren's post,

Sorry, I simply meant I couldn't figure out who said what. My response
came before the error in attributing came out, so my post ended up
looking just as screwy as others...

"It sure is like talking to a brick wall, isn't it? I have a very strong
suspicion that Chris aka is another Hill's rep posting
here. Check this out:"

confused the issue more than anything. And when you responded,

"That's quite interesting Lauren! Makes one wonder, does it not?? "

AFTER Chris refuted authorship of the post that Lauren quoted, it
definitely seemed time to set the record straight.

Yes, that came after I posted, as stated previously.


Maybe it's because I've been lurking in rpdh for quite some time, but it
seems obvious to me that Chris is no Hill's rep, but simply a Hill's
enthusiast on the warpath. Whether he was set on that warpath from
experience at PetsMart or simple pet-ownership experience makes no
difference to any discussion here, and I saw no claim in the post you
linked as to his having been employed as a "nutritional specialist" at
PetsMart.

I was not saying he was employed as an *actual* Nutritional Specialist,
but he stated he learned a lot about nutrition from working there, which
I find rather odd since he's only talking to market reps and not
veterinarians, so sorry again for the confusion. But I do find find that
fact somewhat relevant to the discussion, as I've been wanting to know
where he's gotten his "facts" from and it sounds like he's gotten at
least some of it from his days at PetSmart, a place that, in my
experience, is not well known for providing a lot of factual information
.. Just my .02 cents.

K


-Alison in OH

Alison Perera wrote:

In article ,
(Karen M.) wrote:


Alison,
Your post was kind of confusing, but in the following post G2 says he
worked for PetSmart for years, that's why he "knows" so much. I didn't
realize PetSmart *had* nutritional specialists...


*My* post was kind of confusing? Sorry, but I definitely think that
Lauren's post,

Sorry, I simply meant I couldn't figure out who said what. My response
came before the error in attributing came out, so my post ended up
looking just as screwy as others...

"It sure is like talking to a brick wall, isn't it? I have a very strong
suspicion that Chris aka is another Hill's rep posting
here. Check this out:"

confused the issue more than anything. And when you responded,

"That's quite interesting Lauren! Makes one wonder, does it not?? "

AFTER Chris refuted authorship of the post that Lauren quoted, it
definitely seemed time to set the record straight.

Yes, that came after I posted, as stated previously.


Maybe it's because I've been lurking in rpdh for quite some time, but it
seems obvious to me that Chris is no Hill's rep, but simply a Hill's
enthusiast on the warpath. Whether he was set on that warpath from
experience at PetsMart or simple pet-ownership experience makes no
difference to any discussion here, and I saw no claim in the post you
linked as to his having been employed as a "nutritional specialist" at
PetsMart.

I was not saying he was employed as an *actual* Nutritional Specialist,
but he stated he learned a lot about nutrition from working there, which
I find rather odd since he's only talking to market reps and not
veterinarians, so sorry again for the confusion. But I do find find that
fact somewhat relevant to the discussion, as I've been wanting to know
where he's gotten his "facts" from and it sounds like he's gotten at
least some of it from his days at PetSmart, a place that, in my
experience, is not well known for providing a lot of factual information
.. Just my .02 cents.

K


-Alison in OH

Alison Perera wrote:

In article ,
(Karen M.) wrote:


Alison,
Your post was kind of confusing, but in the following post G2 says he
worked for PetSmart for years, that's why he "knows" so much. I didn't
realize PetSmart *had* nutritional specialists...


*My* post was kind of confusing? Sorry, but I definitely think that
Lauren's post,

Sorry, I simply meant I couldn't figure out who said what. My response
came before the error in attributing came out, so my post ended up
looking just as screwy as others...

"It sure is like talking to a brick wall, isn't it? I have a very strong
suspicion that Chris aka is another Hill's rep posting
here. Check this out:"

confused the issue more than anything. And when you responded,

"That's quite interesting Lauren! Makes one wonder, does it not?? "

AFTER Chris refuted authorship of the post that Lauren quoted, it
definitely seemed time to set the record straight.

Yes, that came after I posted, as stated previously.


Maybe it's because I've been lurking in rpdh for quite some time, but it
seems obvious to me that Chris is no Hill's rep, but simply a Hill's
enthusiast on the warpath. Whether he was set on that warpath from
experience at PetsMart or simple pet-ownership experience makes no
difference to any discussion here, and I saw no claim in the post you
linked as to his having been employed as a "nutritional specialist" at
PetsMart.

I was not saying he was employed as an *actual* Nutritional Specialist,
but he stated he learned a lot about nutrition from working there, which
I find rather odd since he's only talking to market reps and not
veterinarians, so sorry again for the confusion. But I do find find that
fact somewhat relevant to the discussion, as I've been wanting to know
where he's gotten his "facts" from and it sounds like he's gotten at
least some of it from his days at PetSmart, a place that, in my
experience, is not well known for providing a lot of factual information
.. Just my .02 cents.

K


-Alison in OH

In article ,
(GAUBSTER2) wrote:

The only reps who could ever
provide anything legitimate at all was Hill's. I tried their products and
noticed an amazing turnaround in my cats. (I also have a dog that I feed
Science Diet to.)

What did you feed before Science Diet, if you don't mind my asking?

-Alison in OH

In article ,
(GAUBSTER2) wrote:

The only reps who could ever
provide anything legitimate at all was Hill's. I tried their products and
noticed an amazing turnaround in my cats. (I also have a dog that I feed
Science Diet to.)

What did you feed before Science Diet, if you don't mind my asking?

-Alison in OH

In article ,
(GAUBSTER2) wrote:

The only reps who could ever
provide anything legitimate at all was Hill's. I tried their products and
noticed an amazing turnaround in my cats. (I also have a dog that I feed
Science Diet to.)

What did you feed before Science Diet, if you don't mind my asking?

-Alison in OH

GAUBSTER2 wrote:

Alison,
Your post was kind of confusing, but in the following post G2 says he
worked for PetSmart for years, that's why he "knows" so much. I didn't
realize PetSmart *had* nutritional specialists...


Karen, I'm not a Nutritional Specialist, whatever that is.

See my previous post to Allison. I was not claiming that was your title,
hence the non capitalization. It was tongue-in-cheek, so I apologize if
that was not clear.

I used to believe
the same crap that is commonly repeated by people who parrot what others say
w/o doing any checking on it at all. I did do my research on topics and asked
for a lot of information by various company reps. The only reps who could ever
provide anything legitimate at all was Hill's. I tried their products and
noticed an amazing turnaround in my cats. (I also have a dog that I feed
Science Diet to.) The label games that are played, the ingredient list games
that are played....99+% of people have absolutely no idea (and I don't blame
them) how to read pet food labels. You get some people (some w/ websites) that
TELL you HOW to read pet food labels and most of them are completely
wrong--furthering the misinformation out there. I even had some reps
begrudgingly back up what the Hill's reps would say--further proving that
Hill's knows what they are talking about when it comes to nutrition and not
just marketing emotion like most companies--especially the "holistic" ones. If
you want to fall for emotionalism and worry about actual nutrition, I don't
care. I just think that most people would like to hear some facts and cut
through the knee-jerk reactionism that is so prevalent when discussing pet
foods.

Give us some of your "peer reviewed" facts then and be done with it. All
you do is talk about Hill's and what the reps have apparently told you.
And yes, thank you - I do "worry about actual nutrition". I feed my cats
and dog what works well for them, I read, and I am justified when my vet
tells me that all my cats are doing great and thriving. The dog, well..
he's had allergies, hip dysplasia, and a sensitive tummy even before I
rescued him over 2 years ago but he's doing better now. He's got a
little ways to go...

GAUBSTER2 wrote:

Alison,
Your post was kind of confusing, but in the following post G2 says he
worked for PetSmart for years, that's why he "knows" so much. I didn't
realize PetSmart *had* nutritional specialists...


Karen, I'm not a Nutritional Specialist, whatever that is.

See my previous post to Allison. I was not claiming that was your title,
hence the non capitalization. It was tongue-in-cheek, so I apologize if
that was not clear.

I used to believe
the same crap that is commonly repeated by people who parrot what others say
w/o doing any checking on it at all. I did do my research on topics and asked
for a lot of information by various company reps. The only reps who could ever
provide anything legitimate at all was Hill's. I tried their products and
noticed an amazing turnaround in my cats. (I also have a dog that I feed
Science Diet to.) The label games that are played, the ingredient list games
that are played....99+% of people have absolutely no idea (and I don't blame
them) how to read pet food labels. You get some people (some w/ websites) that
TELL you HOW to read pet food labels and most of them are completely
wrong--furthering the misinformation out there. I even had some reps
begrudgingly back up what the Hill's reps would say--further proving that
Hill's knows what they are talking about when it comes to nutrition and not
just marketing emotion like most companies--especially the "holistic" ones. If
you want to fall for emotionalism and worry about actual nutrition, I don't
care. I just think that most people would like to hear some facts and cut
through the knee-jerk reactionism that is so prevalent when discussing pet
foods.

Give us some of your "peer reviewed" facts then and be done with it. All
you do is talk about Hill's and what the reps have apparently told you.
And yes, thank you - I do "worry about actual nutrition". I feed my cats
and dog what works well for them, I read, and I am justified when my vet
tells me that all my cats are doing great and thriving. The dog, well..
he's had allergies, hip dysplasia, and a sensitive tummy even before I
rescued him over 2 years ago but he's doing better now. He's got a
little ways to go...

GAUBSTER2 wrote:

Alison,
Your post was kind of confusing, but in the following post G2 says he
worked for PetSmart for years, that's why he "knows" so much. I didn't
realize PetSmart *had* nutritional specialists...


Karen, I'm not a Nutritional Specialist, whatever that is.

See my previous post to Allison. I was not claiming that was your title,
hence the non capitalization. It was tongue-in-cheek, so I apologize if
that was not clear.

I used to believe
the same crap that is commonly repeated by people who parrot what others say
w/o doing any checking on it at all. I did do my research on topics and asked
for a lot of information by various company reps. The only reps who could ever
provide anything legitimate at all was Hill's. I tried their products and
noticed an amazing turnaround in my cats. (I also have a dog that I feed
Science Diet to.) The label games that are played, the ingredient list games
that are played....99+% of people have absolutely no idea (and I don't blame
them) how to read pet food labels. You get some people (some w/ websites) that
TELL you HOW to read pet food labels and most of them are completely
wrong--furthering the misinformation out there. I even had some reps
begrudgingly back up what the Hill's reps would say--further proving that
Hill's knows what they are talking about when it comes to nutrition and not
just marketing emotion like most companies--especially the "holistic" ones. If
you want to fall for emotionalism and worry about actual nutrition, I don't
care. I just think that most people would like to hear some facts and cut
through the knee-jerk reactionism that is so prevalent when discussing pet
foods.

Give us some of your "peer reviewed" facts then and be done with it. All
you do is talk about Hill's and what the reps have apparently told you.
And yes, thank you - I do "worry about actual nutrition". I feed my cats
and dog what works well for them, I read, and I am justified when my vet
tells me that all my cats are doing great and thriving. The dog, well..
he's had allergies, hip dysplasia, and a sensitive tummy even before I
rescued him over 2 years ago but he's doing better now. He's got a
little ways to go...