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I tentatively add to this thread, just my opinion, hopefully I won't get
flamed! There is no right or wrong answer to this issue. In the UK where I live cats have no natural predators so cats are not going to be killed by other animals. In the UK it is the norm to allow cats out. My cat has a cat flap and he comes and goes as he pleases, we are nowhere near road traffic, in fact we have a large lake and about 25 swans that he has made friends with. My last cat lived for 17 years and came to no harm, this one is 5 and vey healthy. However I know it is very different in the US as there are many predators there, so you tend to have the opposite with most cats staying in. Like I said it is preference and each way brings it's own difficulties, but as long as a cat is well looked after and stimulated there is no problem either way in my opinion. However to say Bob is an abusive pet owner is not strickly fair. He may certainly be abusive, but he is not an abusive pet owner by allowing his cat outside, about 30 million other Brits do exactly the same, in fact I don't know a cat owner that doesn't. I watch one of your programmes - Aminal Cops I think it is called (the ones based in New York and Michigan) - now thos that appear on there well they most certainly are abusive pet owners!! AK |
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I tentatively add to this thread, just my opinion, hopefully I won't get
flamed! There is no right or wrong answer to this issue. In the UK where I live cats have no natural predators so cats are not going to be killed by other animals. In the UK it is the norm to allow cats out. My cat has a cat flap and he comes and goes as he pleases, we are nowhere near road traffic, in fact we have a large lake and about 25 swans that he has made friends with. My last cat lived for 17 years and came to no harm, this one is 5 and vey healthy. However I know it is very different in the US as there are many predators there, so you tend to have the opposite with most cats staying in. Like I said it is preference and each way brings it's own difficulties, but as long as a cat is well looked after and stimulated there is no problem either way in my opinion. However to say Bob is an abusive pet owner is not strickly fair. He may certainly be abusive, but he is not an abusive pet owner by allowing his cat outside, about 30 million other Brits do exactly the same, in fact I don't know a cat owner that doesn't. I watch one of your programmes - Aminal Cops I think it is called (the ones based in New York and Michigan) - now thos that appear on there well they most certainly are abusive pet owners!! AK |
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On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 18:44:15 -0000, "AK" wrote:
I tentatively add to this thread, just my opinion, hopefully I won't get flamed! There is no right or wrong answer to this issue. In the UK where I live cats have no natural predators so cats are not going to be killed by other animals. Foxes, dogs? I had a cat attacked by 2 pitbulls. I had another cat who got attacked by a whippet - but fortutately she got the upper hand and ripped the hell out of it :-p That was luck more than anything, because that particular dog had killed at least 2 cats prior (I knew the owner and he confimed this). In the UK it is the norm to allow cats out. It is the norm now but it's certainly changing. Ten years ago I never knew *anyone* who kept a cat indoors (me included). Now I can think of quite a number of people I've come into contact with socially and through rescue organisations who do so, after years of losing cats to human intervention. The area I live in certainly used to be 'safe'. But in recent years we've had a fair spate of poisonings and cats (and dogs) mysteriously going missing, local speculation being they're taken for underground dog fights. I also had a neighbour who took umbrage at my cats walking along his fence and thought it was acceptable to shoot them with an air rifle. There's also been a lot of building work around here, houses springing up everywhere bringing with them more roads and people and traffic.I suppose you could say, well, these things happen, got to let animals take risks, but I don't believe that. It's my responsibility to look after my animals and I do so to the best of my ability. It would suit me to have them out most of the day, then I wouldn't have to worry about keeping them entertained! Like I said it is preference and each way brings it's own difficulties, but as long as a cat is well looked after and stimulated there is no problem either way in my opinion. Ideally a cat should be free to roam, there's no question. But changing environments mean adapting to the safest means. If I had lots of fields and no road or railway or animal-haters near me, my cats could wander in and out as they please. As it happens, I can't afford to give up my home of over 20 years because the landscape around me has changed. Maybe one day when I'm rich... |
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On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 18:44:15 -0000, "AK" wrote:
I tentatively add to this thread, just my opinion, hopefully I won't get flamed! There is no right or wrong answer to this issue. In the UK where I live cats have no natural predators so cats are not going to be killed by other animals. Foxes, dogs? I had a cat attacked by 2 pitbulls. I had another cat who got attacked by a whippet - but fortutately she got the upper hand and ripped the hell out of it :-p That was luck more than anything, because that particular dog had killed at least 2 cats prior (I knew the owner and he confimed this). In the UK it is the norm to allow cats out. It is the norm now but it's certainly changing. Ten years ago I never knew *anyone* who kept a cat indoors (me included). Now I can think of quite a number of people I've come into contact with socially and through rescue organisations who do so, after years of losing cats to human intervention. The area I live in certainly used to be 'safe'. But in recent years we've had a fair spate of poisonings and cats (and dogs) mysteriously going missing, local speculation being they're taken for underground dog fights. I also had a neighbour who took umbrage at my cats walking along his fence and thought it was acceptable to shoot them with an air rifle. There's also been a lot of building work around here, houses springing up everywhere bringing with them more roads and people and traffic.I suppose you could say, well, these things happen, got to let animals take risks, but I don't believe that. It's my responsibility to look after my animals and I do so to the best of my ability. It would suit me to have them out most of the day, then I wouldn't have to worry about keeping them entertained! Like I said it is preference and each way brings it's own difficulties, but as long as a cat is well looked after and stimulated there is no problem either way in my opinion. Ideally a cat should be free to roam, there's no question. But changing environments mean adapting to the safest means. If I had lots of fields and no road or railway or animal-haters near me, my cats could wander in and out as they please. As it happens, I can't afford to give up my home of over 20 years because the landscape around me has changed. Maybe one day when I'm rich... |
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Didn't see the start of this thread...but...you find it in every ng...top
posting was the norm 10+ years ago...some ng's frown on it...some ng's love it...I still do it coz I was doing it 10+ years ago...I'm not a moron...I'm not inconsiderate...a plonker maybe...BUT...you know what the post is about...and now you don't have to trawl through tons of sh*t to read my reply... -- Chaney Chaney's World www.chaney.i12.com "John Smith" wrote in message ... On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 10:10:53 +0000, in article , Bob Brenchley. wrote: Rubbish. Top posting is never justified and just shows the ignorance of the person doing it. As does not trimming the original post to only the relevant parts. This also shows the ignorance of the person doing it, particularly when they are trying to reprimand others for breaching netiquette guidelines. It is about time you learnt how to format a proper usenet post/reply. http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/http/quote.html will give you a good start. Failure to learn will label you either a moron or a selfish, inconsiderate, illiterate plonker - it is all down to you. Pot, kettle, black eh Bob? It is about time you learnt how to format a proper usenet post/reply. http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/http/quote.html will give you a good start. Failure to learn will label you either a moron or a selfish, inconsiderate, illiterate plonker - it is all down to you. |
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Didn't see the start of this thread...but...you find it in every ng...top
posting was the norm 10+ years ago...some ng's frown on it...some ng's love it...I still do it coz I was doing it 10+ years ago...I'm not a moron...I'm not inconsiderate...a plonker maybe...BUT...you know what the post is about...and now you don't have to trawl through tons of sh*t to read my reply... -- Chaney Chaney's World www.chaney.i12.com "John Smith" wrote in message ... On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 10:10:53 +0000, in article , Bob Brenchley. wrote: Rubbish. Top posting is never justified and just shows the ignorance of the person doing it. As does not trimming the original post to only the relevant parts. This also shows the ignorance of the person doing it, particularly when they are trying to reprimand others for breaching netiquette guidelines. It is about time you learnt how to format a proper usenet post/reply. http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/http/quote.html will give you a good start. Failure to learn will label you either a moron or a selfish, inconsiderate, illiterate plonker - it is all down to you. Pot, kettle, black eh Bob? It is about time you learnt how to format a proper usenet post/reply. http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/http/quote.html will give you a good start. Failure to learn will label you either a moron or a selfish, inconsiderate, illiterate plonker - it is all down to you. |
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On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 21:02:22 -0000, "Chaney" wrote:
Didn't see the start of this thread...but...you find it in every ng...top posting was the norm 10+ years ago...some ng's frown on it...some ng's love it...I still do it coz I was doing it 10+ years ago...I'm not a moron...I'm not inconsiderate...a plonker maybe...BUT...you know what the post is about...and now you don't have to trawl through tons of sh*t to read my reply... Bottom quoting, to call it what it really is, is a Microsoft invention - pushed on users *because it is the opposite of common practice and common sense*. T.E.D. - e-mail must contain "T.E.D." or my .sig in the body) |
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On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 21:02:22 -0000, "Chaney" wrote:
Didn't see the start of this thread...but...you find it in every ng...top posting was the norm 10+ years ago...some ng's frown on it...some ng's love it...I still do it coz I was doing it 10+ years ago...I'm not a moron...I'm not inconsiderate...a plonker maybe...BUT...you know what the post is about...and now you don't have to trawl through tons of sh*t to read my reply... Bottom quoting, to call it what it really is, is a Microsoft invention - pushed on users *because it is the opposite of common practice and common sense*. T.E.D. - e-mail must contain "T.E.D." or my .sig in the body) |
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In article , Chaney
wrote: Didn't see the start of this thread...but...you find it in every ng...top posting was the norm 10+ years ago...some ng's frown on it...some ng's love it...I still do it coz I was doing it 10+ years ago...I'm not a moron...I'm not inconsiderate...a plonker maybe...BUT...you know what the post is about...and now you don't have to trawl through tons of sh*t to read my reply... I was posting in 1988 and definitely didn't see _either_ top- or bottom-posting as the norm. What I saw amongst the clueful was judicious editing and a habit of starting a reply on the first screenful of quoted text. For long quoted posts, this usually means "middle-posting." For this post here, where I only quoted a paragraph, posting after the quote makes sense. Top-posting is sometimes OK, but is usually inferior to at least providing _some_ context. Mostly I wish people would learn to use their editos instead of quoting a long article and adding some short comment at the top (or the bottom). --Tim May |
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