Bad Neighbors & Morganna Update

in article , MaryL at
AKE-OUT-THE-LITTER wrote on 9/26/04 9:13 PM:


"Christina Websell" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...
Myself, I think Ginger-lyn did her best.

I don't agree with you. If you feel so strongly about it, take steps to
adopt this kitten yourself.


Tweed.
Don't get me cross now.



I have seen that remark ("adopt the cat yourself") made by others in the
past, and it is nonsensical. We can all try to help with our messages, but
none of us can simply set off across the country and adopt every cat that is
mentioned on the newsgroup. Megan has been in the cat rescue field for a
number of years, and she has adopted far more than most on these newsgroups;
but if we expect everyone to adopt a cat if they make suggestions or
comments -- even strong ones -- then the newsgroups would simply fold up or
become a source only for "feel good" (but not very helpful) messages.

MaryL


Mary, you know I admire Megan and I know she has also been helpful to you as
to many others but she seems to be unfairly targeting Ginger-lyn here when
Ginger-Lyn is trying her best. We are none of us perfect in our resources or
abilities. We are none of us perfect in our choices, but why does Megan lurk
here, never posting a supportive remark or condolence but descending on
Ginger-Lyn every time she posts? I cannot understand her single minded hunt
of Ginger-lyn when she is doing her best.

in article , MaryL at
AKE-OUT-THE-LITTER wrote on 9/26/04 9:13 PM:


"Christina Websell" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...
Myself, I think Ginger-lyn did her best.

I don't agree with you. If you feel so strongly about it, take steps to
adopt this kitten yourself.


Tweed.
Don't get me cross now.



I have seen that remark ("adopt the cat yourself") made by others in the
past, and it is nonsensical. We can all try to help with our messages, but
none of us can simply set off across the country and adopt every cat that is
mentioned on the newsgroup. Megan has been in the cat rescue field for a
number of years, and she has adopted far more than most on these newsgroups;
but if we expect everyone to adopt a cat if they make suggestions or
comments -- even strong ones -- then the newsgroups would simply fold up or
become a source only for "feel good" (but not very helpful) messages.

MaryL


Mary, you know I admire Megan and I know she has also been helpful to you as
to many others but she seems to be unfairly targeting Ginger-lyn here when
Ginger-Lyn is trying her best. We are none of us perfect in our resources or
abilities. We are none of us perfect in our choices, but why does Megan lurk
here, never posting a supportive remark or condolence but descending on
Ginger-Lyn every time she posts? I cannot understand her single minded hunt
of Ginger-lyn when she is doing her best.

in article , MaryL at
AKE-OUT-THE-LITTER wrote on 9/26/04 9:13 PM:


"Christina Websell" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...
Myself, I think Ginger-lyn did her best.

I don't agree with you. If you feel so strongly about it, take steps to
adopt this kitten yourself.


Tweed.
Don't get me cross now.



I have seen that remark ("adopt the cat yourself") made by others in the
past, and it is nonsensical. We can all try to help with our messages, but
none of us can simply set off across the country and adopt every cat that is
mentioned on the newsgroup. Megan has been in the cat rescue field for a
number of years, and she has adopted far more than most on these newsgroups;
but if we expect everyone to adopt a cat if they make suggestions or
comments -- even strong ones -- then the newsgroups would simply fold up or
become a source only for "feel good" (but not very helpful) messages.

MaryL


Mary, you know I admire Megan and I know she has also been helpful to you as
to many others but she seems to be unfairly targeting Ginger-lyn here when
Ginger-Lyn is trying her best. We are none of us perfect in our resources or
abilities. We are none of us perfect in our choices, but why does Megan lurk
here, never posting a supportive remark or condolence but descending on
Ginger-Lyn every time she posts? I cannot understand her single minded hunt
of Ginger-lyn when she is doing her best.

Karen wrote:

You know I like you Megan and admire
your knowledge and your work with cats,
but you cannot possibly know how others
lives are. I do not. You do not.

Ginger-lyn has gone to great pains to give us the details of her life
and since she's posting in a public forum she damn well knows she's
going get responses that she may not like. You know this too. You may
"like" me, but it doesn't stop you from criticizing me when I get angry
about laziness, complacency and harm coming to a kitten. Yet you "like"
Ginger-lyn, but you won't criticize her handing a kitten over to an
animal abuser. What's wrong with this picture?

It's
not a matter of being cowardly, but of
doing the best in your power. I do not
believe you have always been able to
help every cat you ever knew about in
distress. It is simply impossible.

In this instance and the previous ones it has been all about being a
coward, and if you don't see that it's because you refuse to. You have a
habit of reading posts yet often not seeing the full implications of
what is in them.

Your
haranguing is NOT an effective means of
helping animals either. You have many,
many, many admirable ideas and you are
very helpful at times, but this habit
you have of badgering people is not
helpful and generally harmful and yes,
maybe even harmful to the cats as well
since you can manage to set some people
up to never even try again through your
condemnation of any effort.

This is complete and utter bull****. If people don't act on something,
it's because they make the choice not to and nothing I do or say is
going to control a complete stranger posting on usenet. And I am not
condemning Ginger-lyn's "efforts." What I am condemning is her LACK OF
effort which was clearly illustrated in her post where she goes on about
what "might" be, but doesn't lift a finger to see what her options are.
Apparently you haven't noticed that she is happy to complain, but there
is NOT ONE SINGLE ****ING REQUEST for ideas on how to get the kitten
back. Just whining. No wonder she's in the situation she's in.

I'm sorry if
this angers you toward me because you
have given me exceptional help, but I
cannot sit by and watch you do this over
and over.

Yet you can sit by and watch Ginger-lyn hand a kitten to an animal
abuser over and over.

You are not even consistent in
your "wrath" since I am certain you see
many things of which you do not approve
or where you think people could "do
better".

I am completely consistent in my principles. I have a life, Karen. I
can't spend 24 hours a day on the internet on every little subject. I
have 24 cats to support which requires MONEY and I have to get it by
WORKING. When I do get on a tear, it's generally directed towards
soneone who should know better, or, as in Ginger-lyn's case,
CONTINUOUSLY "rescues" cats then turns right around and puts them in
jeopardy and is consistently stupid/complacent/lazy in the choices she
makes.

Why do you insist on harping on
Ginger-Lyn? What is your prejudice?

See above.

Almost 100 percent of your posts are
condemning and belittling. Why do you
never ever post in support of something?

I do, and for you to claim I don't is a lie. You know damn well that the
welfare of cats is where I place priority and I don't give a **** who it
is, if they are doing something to endanger/neglect/harm a cat I'm going
to say something and if "feelings" get hurt that's their problem.

I'm certain I've done or said things you
don't approve of either. It seems like
you are completely "after" Ginger-Lyn
and I do not understand your venom on
one person here.

Because the wellbeing of a kitten is at stake and this ho-hum, weak,
boo-hoo it's out of my hands attitude disgusts me.

Megan



"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing."

-Edmund Burke

Learn The TRUTH About Declawing
http://www.stopdeclaw.com

Zuzu's Cats Photo Album:
http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22

"Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one
elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and
splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then
providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision,
raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and
material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his
way."

- W.H. Murray

Karen wrote:

You know I like you Megan and admire
your knowledge and your work with cats,
but you cannot possibly know how others
lives are. I do not. You do not.

Ginger-lyn has gone to great pains to give us the details of her life
and since she's posting in a public forum she damn well knows she's
going get responses that she may not like. You know this too. You may
"like" me, but it doesn't stop you from criticizing me when I get angry
about laziness, complacency and harm coming to a kitten. Yet you "like"
Ginger-lyn, but you won't criticize her handing a kitten over to an
animal abuser. What's wrong with this picture?

It's
not a matter of being cowardly, but of
doing the best in your power. I do not
believe you have always been able to
help every cat you ever knew about in
distress. It is simply impossible.

In this instance and the previous ones it has been all about being a
coward, and if you don't see that it's because you refuse to. You have a
habit of reading posts yet often not seeing the full implications of
what is in them.

Your
haranguing is NOT an effective means of
helping animals either. You have many,
many, many admirable ideas and you are
very helpful at times, but this habit
you have of badgering people is not
helpful and generally harmful and yes,
maybe even harmful to the cats as well
since you can manage to set some people
up to never even try again through your
condemnation of any effort.

This is complete and utter bull****. If people don't act on something,
it's because they make the choice not to and nothing I do or say is
going to control a complete stranger posting on usenet. And I am not
condemning Ginger-lyn's "efforts." What I am condemning is her LACK OF
effort which was clearly illustrated in her post where she goes on about
what "might" be, but doesn't lift a finger to see what her options are.
Apparently you haven't noticed that she is happy to complain, but there
is NOT ONE SINGLE ****ING REQUEST for ideas on how to get the kitten
back. Just whining. No wonder she's in the situation she's in.

I'm sorry if
this angers you toward me because you
have given me exceptional help, but I
cannot sit by and watch you do this over
and over.

Yet you can sit by and watch Ginger-lyn hand a kitten to an animal
abuser over and over.

You are not even consistent in
your "wrath" since I am certain you see
many things of which you do not approve
or where you think people could "do
better".

I am completely consistent in my principles. I have a life, Karen. I
can't spend 24 hours a day on the internet on every little subject. I
have 24 cats to support which requires MONEY and I have to get it by
WORKING. When I do get on a tear, it's generally directed towards
soneone who should know better, or, as in Ginger-lyn's case,
CONTINUOUSLY "rescues" cats then turns right around and puts them in
jeopardy and is consistently stupid/complacent/lazy in the choices she
makes.

Why do you insist on harping on
Ginger-Lyn? What is your prejudice?

See above.

Almost 100 percent of your posts are
condemning and belittling. Why do you
never ever post in support of something?

I do, and for you to claim I don't is a lie. You know damn well that the
welfare of cats is where I place priority and I don't give a **** who it
is, if they are doing something to endanger/neglect/harm a cat I'm going
to say something and if "feelings" get hurt that's their problem.

I'm certain I've done or said things you
don't approve of either. It seems like
you are completely "after" Ginger-Lyn
and I do not understand your venom on
one person here.

Because the wellbeing of a kitten is at stake and this ho-hum, weak,
boo-hoo it's out of my hands attitude disgusts me.

Megan



"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing."

-Edmund Burke

Learn The TRUTH About Declawing
http://www.stopdeclaw.com

Zuzu's Cats Photo Album:
http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22

"Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one
elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and
splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then
providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision,
raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and
material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his
way."

- W.H. Murray

Karen wrote:

You know I like you Megan and admire
your knowledge and your work with cats,
but you cannot possibly know how others
lives are. I do not. You do not.

Ginger-lyn has gone to great pains to give us the details of her life
and since she's posting in a public forum she damn well knows she's
going get responses that she may not like. You know this too. You may
"like" me, but it doesn't stop you from criticizing me when I get angry
about laziness, complacency and harm coming to a kitten. Yet you "like"
Ginger-lyn, but you won't criticize her handing a kitten over to an
animal abuser. What's wrong with this picture?

It's
not a matter of being cowardly, but of
doing the best in your power. I do not
believe you have always been able to
help every cat you ever knew about in
distress. It is simply impossible.

In this instance and the previous ones it has been all about being a
coward, and if you don't see that it's because you refuse to. You have a
habit of reading posts yet often not seeing the full implications of
what is in them.

Your
haranguing is NOT an effective means of
helping animals either. You have many,
many, many admirable ideas and you are
very helpful at times, but this habit
you have of badgering people is not
helpful and generally harmful and yes,
maybe even harmful to the cats as well
since you can manage to set some people
up to never even try again through your
condemnation of any effort.

This is complete and utter bull****. If people don't act on something,
it's because they make the choice not to and nothing I do or say is
going to control a complete stranger posting on usenet. And I am not
condemning Ginger-lyn's "efforts." What I am condemning is her LACK OF
effort which was clearly illustrated in her post where she goes on about
what "might" be, but doesn't lift a finger to see what her options are.
Apparently you haven't noticed that she is happy to complain, but there
is NOT ONE SINGLE ****ING REQUEST for ideas on how to get the kitten
back. Just whining. No wonder she's in the situation she's in.

I'm sorry if
this angers you toward me because you
have given me exceptional help, but I
cannot sit by and watch you do this over
and over.

Yet you can sit by and watch Ginger-lyn hand a kitten to an animal
abuser over and over.

You are not even consistent in
your "wrath" since I am certain you see
many things of which you do not approve
or where you think people could "do
better".

I am completely consistent in my principles. I have a life, Karen. I
can't spend 24 hours a day on the internet on every little subject. I
have 24 cats to support which requires MONEY and I have to get it by
WORKING. When I do get on a tear, it's generally directed towards
soneone who should know better, or, as in Ginger-lyn's case,
CONTINUOUSLY "rescues" cats then turns right around and puts them in
jeopardy and is consistently stupid/complacent/lazy in the choices she
makes.

Why do you insist on harping on
Ginger-Lyn? What is your prejudice?

See above.

Almost 100 percent of your posts are
condemning and belittling. Why do you
never ever post in support of something?

I do, and for you to claim I don't is a lie. You know damn well that the
welfare of cats is where I place priority and I don't give a **** who it
is, if they are doing something to endanger/neglect/harm a cat I'm going
to say something and if "feelings" get hurt that's their problem.

I'm certain I've done or said things you
don't approve of either. It seems like
you are completely "after" Ginger-Lyn
and I do not understand your venom on
one person here.

Because the wellbeing of a kitten is at stake and this ho-hum, weak,
boo-hoo it's out of my hands attitude disgusts me.

Megan



"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing."

-Edmund Burke

Learn The TRUTH About Declawing
http://www.stopdeclaw.com

Zuzu's Cats Photo Album:
http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22

"Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one
elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and
splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then
providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision,
raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and
material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his
way."

- W.H. Murray

Myself, I think Ginger-lyn did her best.

No, she didn't. This is not over yet.

Yes, she did. It's easy for you to say,
you weren't there.

And you were? She specifically stated that she still has to "send" an
adoption contract so no, its not over yet. If she had a lick of sense
she'd go to this woman's house and make the rules clear.

If it went wrong, it went wrong.

Oh, so in your book if something goes
wrong you should just throw your hands
up and walk away instead of trying to
make things right? That's cowardly.

That isn't what I said.

In a few words, that's EXACTLY what you said. "If it went wrong, it went
wrong" is what you said and since this isn't done deal yet, you make it
clear that you are indeed throwing your hands up and writing this kitten
off. I don't see anything in that statement that offers advice for
making things right. Just a proclamation that it "went wrong."

snip

It's amazingly sad and unfathomable that
you, and unfortunately many others here,
who profess to be such cat lovers, are
so ready to just accept that this
innocent kitten will get declawed
instead of holding Ginger-lyn
accountable for ensuring that the
welfare of this animal comes first.

Ginger-lyn isn't accountable if this
kitten get declawed. The only person who
is to blame for that is her new owner.

Bull****. This kitten is Ginger-lyn's property and as of right now she's
not making any effort to recover her property. If she sits on her ass
and allows the woman that has the kitten to declaw her, when she could
refuse the adoption and take steps to retrieve the kitten, then she damn
well *is* responsible.

She has spent her posting time in this
thread making excuses and assumptions
without lifting a finger to actually do
anything. If she spent as much time
actually trying to get this kitten back
as she does boo-hooing on this newsgroup
she might have accomplished something by
now. But it seems she's more than happy
to allow this kitten to suffer abuse
*again* (she already did it to her
once.)

I don't agree with you. If you feel so
strongly about it, take steps to adopt
this kitten yourself.

You can't make a single point on why you don't agree so you resort to
telling me I should adopt the kitten? It's not my responsibility to
clean up Ginger-lyn's mess. It is hers and hers alone, but apparently
she's not interested.

Megan



"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing."

-Edmund Burke

Learn The TRUTH About Declawing
http://www.stopdeclaw.com

Zuzu's Cats Photo Album:
http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22

"Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one
elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and
splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then
providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision,
raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and
material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his
way."

- W.H. Murray

Myself, I think Ginger-lyn did her best.

No, she didn't. This is not over yet.

Yes, she did. It's easy for you to say,
you weren't there.

And you were? She specifically stated that she still has to "send" an
adoption contract so no, its not over yet. If she had a lick of sense
she'd go to this woman's house and make the rules clear.

If it went wrong, it went wrong.

Oh, so in your book if something goes
wrong you should just throw your hands
up and walk away instead of trying to
make things right? That's cowardly.

That isn't what I said.

In a few words, that's EXACTLY what you said. "If it went wrong, it went
wrong" is what you said and since this isn't done deal yet, you make it
clear that you are indeed throwing your hands up and writing this kitten
off. I don't see anything in that statement that offers advice for
making things right. Just a proclamation that it "went wrong."

snip

It's amazingly sad and unfathomable that
you, and unfortunately many others here,
who profess to be such cat lovers, are
so ready to just accept that this
innocent kitten will get declawed
instead of holding Ginger-lyn
accountable for ensuring that the
welfare of this animal comes first.

Ginger-lyn isn't accountable if this
kitten get declawed. The only person who
is to blame for that is her new owner.

Bull****. This kitten is Ginger-lyn's property and as of right now she's
not making any effort to recover her property. If she sits on her ass
and allows the woman that has the kitten to declaw her, when she could
refuse the adoption and take steps to retrieve the kitten, then she damn
well *is* responsible.

She has spent her posting time in this
thread making excuses and assumptions
without lifting a finger to actually do
anything. If she spent as much time
actually trying to get this kitten back
as she does boo-hooing on this newsgroup
she might have accomplished something by
now. But it seems she's more than happy
to allow this kitten to suffer abuse
*again* (she already did it to her
once.)

I don't agree with you. If you feel so
strongly about it, take steps to adopt
this kitten yourself.

You can't make a single point on why you don't agree so you resort to
telling me I should adopt the kitten? It's not my responsibility to
clean up Ginger-lyn's mess. It is hers and hers alone, but apparently
she's not interested.

Megan



"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing."

-Edmund Burke

Learn The TRUTH About Declawing
http://www.stopdeclaw.com

Zuzu's Cats Photo Album:
http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22

"Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one
elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and
splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then
providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision,
raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and
material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his
way."

- W.H. Murray

Myself, I think Ginger-lyn did her best.

No, she didn't. This is not over yet.

Yes, she did. It's easy for you to say,
you weren't there.

And you were? She specifically stated that she still has to "send" an
adoption contract so no, its not over yet. If she had a lick of sense
she'd go to this woman's house and make the rules clear.

If it went wrong, it went wrong.

Oh, so in your book if something goes
wrong you should just throw your hands
up and walk away instead of trying to
make things right? That's cowardly.

That isn't what I said.

In a few words, that's EXACTLY what you said. "If it went wrong, it went
wrong" is what you said and since this isn't done deal yet, you make it
clear that you are indeed throwing your hands up and writing this kitten
off. I don't see anything in that statement that offers advice for
making things right. Just a proclamation that it "went wrong."

snip

It's amazingly sad and unfathomable that
you, and unfortunately many others here,
who profess to be such cat lovers, are
so ready to just accept that this
innocent kitten will get declawed
instead of holding Ginger-lyn
accountable for ensuring that the
welfare of this animal comes first.

Ginger-lyn isn't accountable if this
kitten get declawed. The only person who
is to blame for that is her new owner.

Bull****. This kitten is Ginger-lyn's property and as of right now she's
not making any effort to recover her property. If she sits on her ass
and allows the woman that has the kitten to declaw her, when she could
refuse the adoption and take steps to retrieve the kitten, then she damn
well *is* responsible.

She has spent her posting time in this
thread making excuses and assumptions
without lifting a finger to actually do
anything. If she spent as much time
actually trying to get this kitten back
as she does boo-hooing on this newsgroup
she might have accomplished something by
now. But it seems she's more than happy
to allow this kitten to suffer abuse
*again* (she already did it to her
once.)

I don't agree with you. If you feel so
strongly about it, take steps to adopt
this kitten yourself.

You can't make a single point on why you don't agree so you resort to
telling me I should adopt the kitten? It's not my responsibility to
clean up Ginger-lyn's mess. It is hers and hers alone, but apparently
she's not interested.

Megan



"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing."

-Edmund Burke

Learn The TRUTH About Declawing
http://www.stopdeclaw.com

Zuzu's Cats Photo Album:
http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22

"Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one
elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and
splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then
providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision,
raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and
material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his
way."

- W.H. Murray

MaryL -out-the-litter wrote:

I have seen that remark ("adopt the cat yourself") made by others in
the past, and it is nonsensical. We can all try to help with our
messages, but none of us can simply set off across the country and
adopt every cat that is mentioned on the newsgroup.

No, but they can sit on their ass, holed up in front of their computers,
making judgements and pronouncements about what other people should have
done. That's the really *tough job* that we should all admire, right?

In all the time I've been a member of this newsgroup (over 5 years), I
have never, ever heard Megan say a single positive word about or toward
anyone here. She does nothing but dump her self-righteous sh*t all over
everyone. Whoa. What a hero!

I'm sorry, Mary, but I agree with Tweed. If Megan's so sure she would
have done it better than Ginger-Lyn, then why doesn't she put her money
where her mouth is? If you want a job done your way, do it yourself.
Otherwise, *shut up* and stay out of the way of the people who ARE
doing it.

Joyce