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The "holiday season"
Marina wrote:
And I celebrate Yule (jul in Swedish and joulu in Finnish). Yule has been celebrated here in the north since the dawn of time (heh, it's a solstice feast), eons before Christianity reached us. I'll bet it has! Probably a collective festival of *relief*. It's very true that cultures all over the world have some sort of festival involving lights during their winter. -- I want freedom, the right to self expression, everyone's right to beautiful radiant things. -- Emma Goldman |
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The "holiday season"
Marina wrote:
Victor Martinez wrote: Christina Websell wrote: It really annoys me. You're missing the point. You can send x-mas cards if you want. Someone else can send winter solstice cards if they want. Another one can send holiday cards if they want. We use the expression "holiday cards" to be inclusive of those of us who do not send x-mas cards for whatever reason we may have. And I celebrate Yule (jul in Swedish and joulu in Finnish). Yule has been celebrated here in the north since the dawn of time (heh, it's a solstice feast), eons before Christianity reached us. A feast that was hijacked by the Christians, along with others, centuries ago. I really don't mind what people celebrate, or why, but I hate to be *told* what I should be celebrating. -- Adrian (Owned by Snoopy, Bagheera & Shadow) Cats leave pawprints on your heart http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk |
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The "holiday season"
Adrian wrote:
ago. I really don't mind what people celebrate, or why, but I hate to be *told* what I should be celebrating. Amen! -- Victor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam he Email me he |
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Holiday Cards (Felinitations)
Adrian wrote:
Christina Websell wrote: ictor Martinez wrote: Christina Websell wrote: Not "holiday cards" what's that supposed to mean? It means that not everybody in the group is a christian or celebrates x-mas. Yes, I realised that already. But the fact remains that if you send out cards in December they are Christmas cards, whether or not you celebrate Christmas, that's what they are. Absolute nonsense, if you don't believe in the existance of Christ how can they be Christmas cards? So why send cards out at that time ? Ignore it then. Also, please do not say that my views are "absolute nonsense." You can disagree with me, that's fine, I have no problem with that but to say what I think is "absolute nonsense" I find quite insulting. I have been trained in political correctness ad nauseum through my job. I refuse to give up Christmas or referring to it like it was a bad word. Tweed |
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Holiday Cards (Felinitations)
Christina Websell wrote:
Adrian wrote: Christina Websell wrote: ictor Martinez wrote: Christina Websell wrote: Not "holiday cards" what's that supposed to mean? It means that not everybody in the group is a christian or celebrates x-mas. Yes, I realised that already. But the fact remains that if you send out cards in December they are Christmas cards, whether or not you celebrate Christmas, that's what they are. Absolute nonsense, if you don't believe in the existance of Christ how can they be Christmas cards? So why send cards out at that time ? Ignore it then. Also, please do not say that my views are "absolute nonsense." You can disagree with me, that's fine, I have no problem with that but to say what I think is "absolute nonsense" I find quite insulting. I have been trained in political correctness ad nauseum through my job. I refuse to give up Christmas or referring to it like it was a bad word. Tweed I found your post insulting, and I'm sure I'm not the only one, if you don't want your beliefs chalanged then don't post them online. People have the right to send cards for whatever reason they like. -- Adrian (Owned by Snoopy, Bagheera & Shadow) Cats leave pawprints on your heart http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk |
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Holiday Cards (Felinitations)
Christina Websell wrote:
I have been trained in political correctness ad nauseum through my job. I refuse to give up Christmas or referring to it like it was a bad word. And this is one case where political correctness actually backfires and has the opposite effect from what was intended. Instead of helping non-Christians to feel included, it just subsumes everyone into this thing that looks and acts like Christmas, we're just not calling it that. Joyce -- If an animal does something, they call it instinct. If we do exactly the same thing for the same reason, they call it intelligence. -- Will Cuppy |
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The "holiday season"
"Adrian" wrote in message om... Marina wrote: Victor Martinez wrote: Christina Websell wrote: It really annoys me. You're missing the point. You can send x-mas cards if you want. Someone else can send winter solstice cards if they want. Another one can send holiday cards if they want. We use the expression "holiday cards" to be inclusive of those of us who do not send x-mas cards for whatever reason we may have. And I celebrate Yule (jul in Swedish and joulu in Finnish). Yule has been celebrated here in the north since the dawn of time (heh, it's a solstice feast), eons before Christianity reached us. A feast that was hijacked by the Christians, along with others, centuries ago. I really don't mind what people celebrate, or why, but I hate to be *told* what I should be celebrating. -- Adrian (Owned by Snoopy, Bagheera & Shadow) Thank you. Like Marina, I celebrate Yule. It is a way of going back to my German/Scandinavian roots. Pam S. |
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Holiday Cards (Felinitations)
if you don't believe in the existance of Christ
how can they be Christmas cards? So why send cards out at that time ? Because it's a good idea to have some sort of festivity at the darkest and gloomiest time of year, and Christmas is handily designed to do the job. I spent two successive Christmases in Istanbul. There wasn't a lot of Christian imagery around, but there were quite a few Santas. (Since St Nicholas was from a place that is now part of Turkey, they could have tried to reclaim him as a national emblem, but I didn't actually see any Santas with star and crescent logos on their red outfits). And LOTS of roast chestnuts, which I can't see anybody of any religion having a problem with. One very odd thing about Christmas in Istanbul is that it's pretty hard for the local Christians to squeeze in to midnight mass. The churches are packed with Muslim (or secularized Muslim) rubberneckers curious to see what a Christian church service is like. ==== j a c k at c a m p i n . m e . u k === http://www.campin.me.uk ==== Jack Campin, 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland == mob 07800 739 557 CD-ROMs and free stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, and Mac logic fonts ****** I killfile Google posts - email me if you want to be whitelisted ****** |
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Holiday Cards (Felinitations)
Jack Campin - bogus address wrote:
Because it's a good idea to have some sort of festivity at the darkest and gloomiest time of year As a Scotsman you are well qualified to make that statement! It's true that many cultures (especially those closest to the poles) have a light-and-warmth festival of some sort during the dark part of the year. and Christmas is handily designed to do the job. It's a popular one, can't argue with that. But as someone from a non- Christian background, I find Christmas a bit obliterating. (Though I wouldn't mind it so much if it weren't so *garish*. Some non-Christians may complain about the religious symbols, but I'd rather hear about Jesus than about iPhones.) I spent two successive Christmases in Istanbul. There wasn't a lot of Christian imagery around, but there were quite a few Santas. (Since St Nicholas was from a place that is now part of Turkey, they could have tried to reclaim him as a national emblem, but I didn't actually see any Santas with star and crescent logos on their red outfits). I didn't know that about Santa. This is probably akin to hating kittens and puppies in some people's minds, but actually, I detest Santa. The I've said it. The American Santa is probably a far cry from the Turkish St. Nick, though. And LOTS of roast chestnuts, which I can't see anybody of any religion having a problem with. As long as they don't SING about it! Joyce -- Promise me you'll never wear pants that bind or tug or hurt, pants that have an opinion about how much you've just eaten. -- Anne Lamott |
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Holiday Cards (Felinitations)
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