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Normal for a cat to vomit a tapeworm vs the worm coming out in thestool?
We recently gave one of our cats a deworming pill (milbemax) and later
found a worm (sorta looked like a tan-colored rubber band) in a pile of vomit. I thought that tape worms reside or attach to the intestinal wall (and not the stomach wall) and therefore when the worm leaves the cat it's by way of the stool. So is it normal, or unusual, for the worm to be vomited out? |
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Normal for a cat to vomit a tapeworm vs the worm coming out in thestool?
AMUN wrote:
I thought that tape worms reside or attach to the intestinal wall (and not the stomach wall) and therefore when the worm leaves the cat it's by way of the stool. So is it normal, or unusual, for the worm to be vomited out? Not 100% normal. but I've heard of that happening even without deworming. Usually the infestation is pretty bad by the time it gets to the point it vomits them up though Although are you sure it wasn't a rubber band ? Cats can try to eat some pretty strange things The (male) cat in question was caught in a trap around mid-January on our front porch and soon after was taken to a vet for neutering, vaccination and Revolution treatment. I'm pretty sure he was given a drontal pill during recovery by the vet. He is kept in a spare room with a minimal amount of furnature. Unlike other cats we've caught, fixed, and adopted out, this guy has remained very wild and resists all attempts to socialize with us, even after 11 weeks. I can barely reach out and touch his head without him opening his eyes and his mouth wide and hissing as he backs into a corner. He has been quite content to simply sleep in a corner under a table most of the time. Not a sound from him - unlike the other cats we've caught (they usually cry at night, I think as they look out the window). About a month ago we noticed that there were reddish streaks on the canvas drop-cover we have on the floor of his room. A new streak seemed to be appearing each day for about a week or two. I'm thinking they were bum-scoots. A few days ago he threw up a lot of food, and that's when I noticed dried tape-worm segments on the blanket where he sleeps. So I placed a milbemax pill (un-crushed) in with his food and within 12 hours he vomitted up some food and the worm. It was definately a worm and not a rubber band. And the very next night (last night) he started crying. Hopefully his quiteness and wildness was being caused by GI discomfort that has now passed and perhaps he might just start being more friendly. We were/are considering letting him go in a week or two because we considered him unadoptable. I'm wondering if I should give him another milbemax in a week just to make sure we've gotten rid of all the worms. Comments? Questions? |
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Normal for a cat to vomit a tapeworm vs the worm coming out in the stool?
Cat Guy formulated on Saturday :
We recently gave one of our cats a deworming pill (milbemax) and later found a worm (sorta looked like a tan-colored rubber band) in a pile of vomit. I thought that tape worms reside or attach to the intestinal wall (and not the stomach wall) and therefore when the worm leaves the cat it's by way of the stool. So is it normal, or unusual, for the worm to be vomited out? I had a feral cat given me by mistake a few years ago. He did exactly the same thing. This cat had an appetite like a horse and would eat anything put in front of him. I had to stop a neighbor from feeding him as he was eating curry, chicken supreme and all manner of things humans eat. He made a hell of a noise when he wanted food in the morning. -- Count Baldoni |
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Normal for a cat to vomit a tapeworm vs the worm coming out inthe stool?
Cat Guy wrote:
So I placed a milbemax pill (un-crushed) in with his food and within 12 hours he vomitted up some food and the worm. It was definately a worm and not a rubber band. And the very next night (last night) he started crying. Hopefully his quiteness and wildness was being caused by GI discomfort that has now passed and perhaps he might just start being more friendly. We were/are considering letting him go in a week or two because we considered him unadoptable. I'm wondering if I should give him another milbemax in a week just to make sure we've gotten rid of all the worms. Comments? Questions? If the worm was longish and thin, it sounds like a roundworm. From what I've read on websites, a roundworm infestation can get so bad that the worms are also in the stomach. We trapped some kittens with roundworms and wormed them -- theirs did come out the other end. They looked like spaghetti that was a few inches long. As far as deciding when to reworm or your cat's symptoms, I would really urge you to talk to a vet. Since your cat is also in some distress, I would want a professional medical opinion as soon as possible. Good luck, and I hope he gets to stay inside so he doesn't end up in this state again! Take care, Rhonda |
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Normal for a cat to vomit a tapeworm vs the worm coming out in thestool?
Is there a reason why you're removing some of the groups I'm
cross-posting to? AMUN wrote: It's also very possible the cat never ate the pill, but spit it out somewhere else. I was watching him eat via a closed-circuit web-cam that I set up in his room, and when he was done I had a closer look and found no remnants of the pill on the dish or anywhere nearby. As usually the pills simply dissolve the worms so you won't ever even see part of them in the stools. I thought that the pills kill the worm or impair it's ability to continue to clamp onto the GI tract, and hence free it up and allow it to either exit with the stool, or in this case to be vomited up. Only sure way is to grab the cat and shove the pill in it's mouth, then hold it's mouth closed until it swallows it Like I said, I was watching it eat, it did not spit anything out while eating, and there was no pill remnants to be found. As you say the beast got dewormed when you first got it, it's strange the worms re-appeared when the cat was kept indoors. As tapeworms are almost exclusively caused by eating infected fleas. Yes. I told the vet to give him a worm pill while he was recovering from being neutered, and Drontil is listed on his health card, and so is a Revolution treatment. Again it may have really been badly infested, but even the worst I ever heard of got knocked out after a second dose of tapeworm pills. Clean up, as it sounds like you may have inherited at least a small flea infestation with the cat, and they may be re-infecting it. After he vomited the worm, we cleaned the room (laundered the canvas floor covering, wiped down all surfaces, etc) and put him back in the room. I'll have to give it a few days to see if he's approchable enough to give him another Revolution treatment (assuming the vet did infact give him an initial treatment 11 weeks ago). |
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Normal for a cat to vomit a tapeworm vs the worm coming out inthestool?
Rhonda wrote:
If the worm was longish and thin, it sounds like a roundworm. The worm looked like this: http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/images14...rmImg_1395.jpg but I didn't think it was as white in color as in that picture. It was mostly flat, and segmented, and tapered at one end. Roundworms (if I'm not mistaken) are round (not flat) and smooth. I've read on websites, a roundworm infestation can get so bad that the worms are also in the stomach. Well, I think this was a tapeworm. Do roundworms shed rice-grain-sized segments out the annus? Remember, I did see 4 or 5 such dried segments in his bedding. |
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Normal for a cat to vomit a tapeworm vs the worm coming out in the stool?
"Cat Guy" wrote in message ... Is there a reason why you're removing some of the groups I'm cross-posting to? Yes, it's considered bad to crosspost like that. Normally a spammer action. Granted you were looking for a 'wider audience' but many spam filters will delete your messages unseen if there is more than one group in there. |
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Normal for a cat to vomit a tapeworm vs the worm coming out inthe stool?
cshenk wrote:
"Cat Guy" wrote: Is there a reason why you're removing some of the groups I'm cross-posting to? Yes, it's considered bad to crosspost like that. Wrong. I've been posting to usenet since 1988. I know what usenet is, and how it should be used. It IS NOT "bad" to crosspost when the groups being posted to have something in common with the subject matter being discussed. It's even more correct to crosspost when the groups in question discuss essentially THE SAME subject matter. There is no difference in the content, charter or subject material of these groups: alt.pets.cats alt.cats rec.pets.cats.health+behav But the fact that some people may read rec.pets.cats.health+behav but not alt.pets.cats means that if I want my post to reach a wide audience, I have no choice but to cross-post the those groups BECAUSE THEY EXIST. There are other cat-related usenet groups, but I did not cross-post to those because they have relatively low traffic. Cross-posting is bad only when the content of a post does not pertain to what is normally discussed in the group being cross-posted to. For example, you could correctly criticize me if I cross-posted my original message to: rec.pets.cats.health+behav alt.home.repair comp.sys.intel But that is not what I did. Usenet today has thousands of newsgroups. It was anticipated that some discussions could span the interests of several groups simultaneously, hence the cross-posting mechanism was an early and itegral part of the usenet messaging system. And cross-posting is efficient. It allows a thread to grow and allows everyone who reads it to participate so long as the cross-posting is maintained. The issue in this case is not that I cross-posted a message regarding cat health and behavior to 3 different cat-centric newsgroups. The issue is - why are there 3 different (and active) cat-centric newsgroups? Granted you were looking for a 'wider audience' but many spam filters will delete your messages unseen if there is more than one group in there. Only those that are ignorant in how usenet works would deploy such a rule in their news-reading agent - especially if they set the limit to 1. A rejection based on a cross-post to more than 5 groups is more realistic and understandible. But not 1. A more efficient way to deal with off-topic or junk posts (which tend to be crazily cross-posted) is to simply kill-file the posters who exhibit that behavior. |
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Normal for a cat to vomit a tapeworm vs the worm coming out inthestool?
Cat Guy wrote:
Rhonda wrote: If the worm was longish and thin, it sounds like a roundworm. The worm looked like this: http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/images14...rmImg_1395.jpg but I didn't think it was as white in color as in that picture. It was mostly flat, and segmented, and tapered at one end. Roundworms (if I'm not mistaken) are round (not flat) and smooth. The roundworms our kittens had were sort of a brownish, and long and skinny. I really didn't get close enough to look for segments! Looking at your picture though, it didn't look bumpy like that. I've read on websites, a roundworm infestation can get so bad that the worms are also in the stomach. Well, I think this was a tapeworm. Do roundworms shed rice-grain-sized segments out the annus? Remember, I did see 4 or 5 such dried segments in his bedding. Here's something I just found on a website: -------- What are the clinical signs? Tapeworms are not particularly harmful to the cat and few clinical signs are attributed to their presence. Usually, the cat is presented because of the guardian’s reaction to the presence of the crawling proglottids. Rarely, tapeworms may cause debilitation or weight loss if they are present in large numbers. Also, a cat will occasionally scoot or drag his anus across the ground or carpet due to the anal irritation caused by the proglottids. This behavior is much more common in dogs than cats. Occasionally, a tapeworm will release its attachment in the intestines and migrate to the stomach. When this happens, the cat may vomit an adult tapeworm several inches in length. Full site: http://www.sniksnak.com/cathealth/tapeworms.html ------- If it is a tapeworm, and it does sound more like that, there's a reminder in the site to treat the environment for fleas since that's how the whole cycle starts. I really hope you'll talk this all over with a vet and get a professional opinion. I'm concerned since your cat was in discomfort. Rhonda |
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Normal for a cat to vomit a tapeworm vs the worm coming out inthe stool?
"Cat Guy" wrote in message ... Rhonda wrote: If the worm was longish and thin, it sounds like a roundworm. The worm looked like this: http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/images14...rmImg_1395.jpg but I didn't think it was as white in color as in that picture. It was mostly flat, and segmented, and tapered at one end. Roundworms (if I'm not mistaken) are round (not flat) and smooth. I've read on websites, a roundworm infestation can get so bad that the worms are also in the stomach. Well, I think this was a tapeworm. Do roundworms shed rice-grain-sized segments out the annus? Remember, I did see 4 or 5 such dried segments in his bedding. Many years ago a cat of mine barfed up a tapeworm. Only happened once and she needed to be treated for them after that so I guess it's not a common occurrence but not unheard of. IIRC a follow up dose of drontal should be given I think a month after the first but I'm not sure on the timing. W |
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