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Mine are far from made up. you only need do research and you can
find them posted in many places of well established science. Unlesss you are too lazy to care to educate yourself. Go ask your local vet as well.they will know. On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 08:59:21 +0200, "M.C. Mullen" wrote: "victoria" schrieb im Newsbeitrag .. . | | It has been proven, and any decent vet will back this up, that a | strictly outdoor cat has the aversage lifespan of 10 years while an | outrdoor/indoor 15 years and an indoor cat 20 years. this is due to | the fact they are not having to stress themselves out over teritory or | scrap in fights with each other for territory,food or mating rights. | All my cats have been rescued strays and love being indooors,to th | point of not even wanting outdoors at all-garage a different | story.LOL! | I have heard and read that *outdoor* cats live longer...unless they're involved in an accident of course. So it seems these studies (yours and mine!) are all made up. Carola CARE TAKE!!! Victoria Catlash Productions: http://catlashproductions.bravepages.com/index.html http://www.redcross.org http://www.GothsAgainstHate.com http://www.WallofTolerance.com "...I don't know any of you." posted by Ivan the Idiotic on Monday,24 March 2003 after many long,past diatribes of challenges presuming to know exactly who I and many others of ok.general are yet never having balls enough to prove it. ~~Want exclusive living yet close to city and schools? http://www.stonewallestates.com |
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Mine are far from made up. you only need do research and you can
find them posted in many places of well established science. Unlesss you are too lazy to care to educate yourself. Go ask your local vet as well.they will know. On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 08:59:21 +0200, "M.C. Mullen" wrote: "victoria" schrieb im Newsbeitrag .. . | | It has been proven, and any decent vet will back this up, that a | strictly outdoor cat has the aversage lifespan of 10 years while an | outrdoor/indoor 15 years and an indoor cat 20 years. this is due to | the fact they are not having to stress themselves out over teritory or | scrap in fights with each other for territory,food or mating rights. | All my cats have been rescued strays and love being indooors,to th | point of not even wanting outdoors at all-garage a different | story.LOL! | I have heard and read that *outdoor* cats live longer...unless they're involved in an accident of course. So it seems these studies (yours and mine!) are all made up. Carola CARE TAKE!!! Victoria Catlash Productions: http://catlashproductions.bravepages.com/index.html http://www.redcross.org http://www.GothsAgainstHate.com http://www.WallofTolerance.com "...I don't know any of you." posted by Ivan the Idiotic on Monday,24 March 2003 after many long,past diatribes of challenges presuming to know exactly who I and many others of ok.general are yet never having balls enough to prove it. ~~Want exclusive living yet close to city and schools? http://www.stonewallestates.com |
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"M.C. Mullen" wrote in message
... "victoria" schrieb im Newsbeitrag ... following up to 2 replies in one fell swoop... | It has been proven, and any decent vet will back this up, that a | strictly outdoor cat has the aversage lifespan of 10 years while an | outrdoor/indoor 15 years and an indoor cat 20 years. While an indoor (or any cat, though indoor'd be more likely) cat may certainly live to be 20 - 21 years old, I have a difficult time believing that 20 is an *average*. That would mean that a whole slew of indoor cats are living to be older than 20. An average age of 16 - 17, I'd believe. | this is due to the fact they are not having to stress themselves out over teritory or | scrap in fights with each other for territory,food or mating rights. | All my cats have been rescued strays and love being indooors,to th | point of not even wanting outdoors at all-garage a different | story.LOL! | I have heard and read that *outdoor* cats live longer... This one's a new one on me. I doubt it; big time doubt it. unless they're involved in an accident of course. Well, considering that so many outdoor cats do succumb to some type or other of accident, that pretty much negates the live longer bit (in general, since any one single cat may not conform to the norm). Cathy -- "Staccato signals of constant information..." ("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon So it seems these studies (yours and mine!) are all made up. Carola |
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"M.C. Mullen" wrote in message
... "victoria" schrieb im Newsbeitrag ... following up to 2 replies in one fell swoop... | It has been proven, and any decent vet will back this up, that a | strictly outdoor cat has the aversage lifespan of 10 years while an | outrdoor/indoor 15 years and an indoor cat 20 years. While an indoor (or any cat, though indoor'd be more likely) cat may certainly live to be 20 - 21 years old, I have a difficult time believing that 20 is an *average*. That would mean that a whole slew of indoor cats are living to be older than 20. An average age of 16 - 17, I'd believe. | this is due to the fact they are not having to stress themselves out over teritory or | scrap in fights with each other for territory,food or mating rights. | All my cats have been rescued strays and love being indooors,to th | point of not even wanting outdoors at all-garage a different | story.LOL! | I have heard and read that *outdoor* cats live longer... This one's a new one on me. I doubt it; big time doubt it. unless they're involved in an accident of course. Well, considering that so many outdoor cats do succumb to some type or other of accident, that pretty much negates the live longer bit (in general, since any one single cat may not conform to the norm). Cathy -- "Staccato signals of constant information..." ("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon So it seems these studies (yours and mine!) are all made up. Carola |
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My final post on this. DO NOT ARGUE WITH ME LIKE CHILDREN.GO ASK YOUR OWN VETRS,DO SOME READING. People that would rather argue than learn never get much respect out of me. I only provided you with info hoping it would spark some of you to want to take an ACTIVE part in your cat's care. I see know one knows what vets are so I bid you children adeu. I grew out of arguing when I got to 4th grade. On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 22:14:43 -0700, "Ash Smith" wrote: If you live in an area where, for whatever reason, you feel unable to allow a healthy cat its freedom to roam for at least some time each day (and only you can judge your area) then don't have a cat. To have a healthy cat, knowing you will keep it in 24/7 marks you are being cruel, selfish, or both. -- Bob. What a jackass, I have 2 cute as hell kittens and while I do let them outside from time to time, they are basically indoor cats - and you know what, they love it, and have it made. Your argument is worthless, as though it is somehow cruel to keep them inside. It's a better argument to say that it might be cruel if you never let them inside and make them stay out all the time. If cruelty to my cats is forcing them to stay inside my 3br 2 bth house all day, where I clean up after them and buy them toys and all and all they have to do is enjoy themselves, then I guess I'm guilty. CARE TAKE!!! Victoria Catlash Productions: http://catlashproductions.bravepages.com/index.html http://www.redcross.org http://www.GothsAgainstHate.com http://www.WallofTolerance.com "...I don't know any of you." posted by Ivan the Idiotic on Monday,24 March 2003 after many long,past diatribes of challenges presuming to know exactly who I and many others of ok.general are yet never having balls enough to prove it. ~~Want exclusive living yet close to city and schools? http://www.stonewallestates.com |
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My final post on this. DO NOT ARGUE WITH ME LIKE CHILDREN.GO ASK YOUR OWN VETRS,DO SOME READING. People that would rather argue than learn never get much respect out of me. I only provided you with info hoping it would spark some of you to want to take an ACTIVE part in your cat's care. I see know one knows what vets are so I bid you children adeu. I grew out of arguing when I got to 4th grade. On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 22:14:43 -0700, "Ash Smith" wrote: If you live in an area where, for whatever reason, you feel unable to allow a healthy cat its freedom to roam for at least some time each day (and only you can judge your area) then don't have a cat. To have a healthy cat, knowing you will keep it in 24/7 marks you are being cruel, selfish, or both. -- Bob. What a jackass, I have 2 cute as hell kittens and while I do let them outside from time to time, they are basically indoor cats - and you know what, they love it, and have it made. Your argument is worthless, as though it is somehow cruel to keep them inside. It's a better argument to say that it might be cruel if you never let them inside and make them stay out all the time. If cruelty to my cats is forcing them to stay inside my 3br 2 bth house all day, where I clean up after them and buy them toys and all and all they have to do is enjoy themselves, then I guess I'm guilty. CARE TAKE!!! Victoria Catlash Productions: http://catlashproductions.bravepages.com/index.html http://www.redcross.org http://www.GothsAgainstHate.com http://www.WallofTolerance.com "...I don't know any of you." posted by Ivan the Idiotic on Monday,24 March 2003 after many long,past diatribes of challenges presuming to know exactly who I and many others of ok.general are yet never having balls enough to prove it. ~~Want exclusive living yet close to city and schools? http://www.stonewallestates.com |
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"victoria" wrote in message
... My final post on this. DO NOT ARGUE WITH ME LIKE CHILDREN.GO ASK YOUR OWN VETRS,DO SOME READING. People that would rather argue than learn never get much respect out of me. I only provided you with info hoping it would spark some of you to want to take an ACTIVE part in your cat's care. I see know one knows what vets are so I bid you children adeu. I grew out of arguing when I got to 4th grade. I needed a laff tonight. Thank you. lmao |
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"victoria" wrote in message
... My final post on this. DO NOT ARGUE WITH ME LIKE CHILDREN.GO ASK YOUR OWN VETRS,DO SOME READING. People that would rather argue than learn never get much respect out of me. I only provided you with info hoping it would spark some of you to want to take an ACTIVE part in your cat's care. I see know one knows what vets are so I bid you children adeu. I grew out of arguing when I got to 4th grade. I needed a laff tonight. Thank you. lmao |
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"victoria" wrote in message
... And having had every cat but the one that died of cancer that I have owned live to at least 20 and having friends andd family also having cats that live to 20 or older I wonder how you treat your cats that they live so short a life. First, could you please quote the post to which you're responding, w/ proper attribution? It's extremely difficult to tell to whom & to what you're replying - since your posts appear in complete isolation. (I can do it, but it involves expanding the thread all over again. I have my newsreader set to view only the unread posts.) Secondly, IMO, my cats who've died did not have short lives. The first one was 17¾ years old when she died of CRF, & the second cat was 16¼. The second cat had developed acute -- chronic liver disease at age 11, & hyperthyroidism when she was 12, & was treated for those probs via an internist working w/ my regular vet. Almost 5 years after her liver disease had shown up, her liver bw was finally normal. (The thyroid problem had been stabilized long ago.) But then she developed CRF, was again aggressively treated - sub-Q fluids, diet, K supplement, Procrit, potassium binder, etc. - as they became needed, but she succumbed to the CRF 8 months post diagnosis. I personally know of only one person (IRL) whose cat has lived to 20. Cathy -- "Staccato signals of constant information..." ("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:21:10 -0400, "Cathy Friedmann" wrote: "M.C. Mullen" wrote in message . .. "victoria" schrieb im Newsbeitrag ... following up to 2 replies in one fell swoop... | It has been proven, and any decent vet will back this up, that a | strictly outdoor cat has the aversage lifespan of 10 years while an | outrdoor/indoor 15 years and an indoor cat 20 years. While an indoor (or any cat, though indoor'd be more likely) cat may certainly live to be 20 - 21 years old, I have a difficult time believing that 20 is an *average*. That would mean that a whole slew of indoor cats are living to be older than 20. An average age of 16 - 17, I'd believe. | this is due to the fact they are not having to stress themselves out over teritory or | scrap in fights with each other for territory,food or mating rights. | All my cats have been rescued strays and love being indooors,to th | point of not even wanting outdoors at all-garage a different | story.LOL! | I have heard and read that *outdoor* cats live longer... This one's a new one on me. I doubt it; big time doubt it. unless they're involved in an accident of course. Well, considering that so many outdoor cats do succumb to some type or other of accident, that pretty much negates the live longer bit (in general, since any one single cat may not conform to the norm). Cathy CARE TAKE!!! Victoria Catlash Productions: http://catlashproductions.bravepages.com/index.html http://www.redcross.org http://www.GothsAgainstHate.com http://www.WallofTolerance.com "...I don't know any of you." posted by Ivan the Idiotic on Monday,24 March 2003 after many long,past diatribes of challenges presuming to know exactly who I and many others of ok.general are yet never having balls enough to prove it. ~~Want exclusive living yet close to city and schools? http://www.stonewallestates.com |
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"victoria" wrote in message
... And having had every cat but the one that died of cancer that I have owned live to at least 20 and having friends andd family also having cats that live to 20 or older I wonder how you treat your cats that they live so short a life. First, could you please quote the post to which you're responding, w/ proper attribution? It's extremely difficult to tell to whom & to what you're replying - since your posts appear in complete isolation. (I can do it, but it involves expanding the thread all over again. I have my newsreader set to view only the unread posts.) Secondly, IMO, my cats who've died did not have short lives. The first one was 17¾ years old when she died of CRF, & the second cat was 16¼. The second cat had developed acute -- chronic liver disease at age 11, & hyperthyroidism when she was 12, & was treated for those probs via an internist working w/ my regular vet. Almost 5 years after her liver disease had shown up, her liver bw was finally normal. (The thyroid problem had been stabilized long ago.) But then she developed CRF, was again aggressively treated - sub-Q fluids, diet, K supplement, Procrit, potassium binder, etc. - as they became needed, but she succumbed to the CRF 8 months post diagnosis. I personally know of only one person (IRL) whose cat has lived to 20. Cathy -- "Staccato signals of constant information..." ("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:21:10 -0400, "Cathy Friedmann" wrote: "M.C. Mullen" wrote in message . .. "victoria" schrieb im Newsbeitrag ... following up to 2 replies in one fell swoop... | It has been proven, and any decent vet will back this up, that a | strictly outdoor cat has the aversage lifespan of 10 years while an | outrdoor/indoor 15 years and an indoor cat 20 years. While an indoor (or any cat, though indoor'd be more likely) cat may certainly live to be 20 - 21 years old, I have a difficult time believing that 20 is an *average*. That would mean that a whole slew of indoor cats are living to be older than 20. An average age of 16 - 17, I'd believe. | this is due to the fact they are not having to stress themselves out over teritory or | scrap in fights with each other for territory,food or mating rights. | All my cats have been rescued strays and love being indooors,to th | point of not even wanting outdoors at all-garage a different | story.LOL! | I have heard and read that *outdoor* cats live longer... This one's a new one on me. I doubt it; big time doubt it. unless they're involved in an accident of course. Well, considering that so many outdoor cats do succumb to some type or other of accident, that pretty much negates the live longer bit (in general, since any one single cat may not conform to the norm). Cathy CARE TAKE!!! Victoria Catlash Productions: http://catlashproductions.bravepages.com/index.html http://www.redcross.org http://www.GothsAgainstHate.com http://www.WallofTolerance.com "...I don't know any of you." posted by Ivan the Idiotic on Monday,24 March 2003 after many long,past diatribes of challenges presuming to know exactly who I and many others of ok.general are yet never having balls enough to prove it. ~~Want exclusive living yet close to city and schools? http://www.stonewallestates.com |
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