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vaccine reaction with vomiting and bloody diarrhea
Please anyone who has experience with this, I need help, or at least
reassurance. I took Sweety - 2.5 year old ragdoll - to the vet today for her yearly vaccination. She got something called Nobivac Tricat (for feline herpesvirus, feline calicivirus and feline panleucopenia). 3 hours later she started having diarrhea and vomiting. I rushed her back to the vet. He gave her a shot for infection and to stop the vomiting, then told me to take her home and keep her cool (we're in Spain and it's *hot* here right now). He said her color (gums) was good. She was panting, but she always pants when she's scared or excited, so we think that was not a problem. He gave her Primperan for the vomiting, and I'm not sure what the name of the drug against infection was. He gave me a syringe with another dose of the same medicine to inject her with in 8 hours. I took her home, and about an hour later she tried throwing up again. There wasn't anything in her tummy so all that came out was a bit of foamy liquid. But at the same time her read end started leaking bloody diarrhea. It was just mucus and blood - there was nothing left in her intestines by this point. I called the vet again, and told him this. He told me to give her Flagyl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metronidazole) and Sucralfate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sucralfate). I am familiar with both of these - I've given the Flagyl to her when she had bloody diarrhea as a kitten, but then it was just a few drops of blood, not a whole puddle of blood like now. He said to call him in a few hours again to tell him how she's doing. What else should I be doing? She's not drinking, and with the vomiting and diarrhea she must be dehydrated (although she wasn't when I took her to the vet - he checked her skin). I tried offering her water, ice cubes in the water, freshly made chicken broth (cooled)... she won't even sniff at anything. Should I syringe water into her? What else do vets normally do in these cases? Should I take her to another vet? Just treating the symptoms of vomiting and diarrhea doesn't seem enough... but maybe that's what is normally done and I am just too crazy with worry... Nadia, Kotyo and a very sick Sweety -- Little Monster pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/nnakova/Kotyo Sweety pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/nnakova/Sweety Kotyo and Sweety together: http://picasaweb.google.com/nnakova/KotyoAndSweety |
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vaccine reaction with vomiting and bloody diarrhea
On Mon, 09 Aug 2010 18:14:24 +0200, Nadia N. wrote:
Please anyone who has experience with this, I need help, or at least reassurance. I took Sweety - 2.5 year old ragdoll - to the vet today for her yearly vaccination. She got something called Nobivac Tricat (for feline herpesvirus, feline calicivirus and feline panleucopenia). 3 hours later she started having diarrhea and vomiting. I rushed her back to the vet. Assuming she's not dead from inaction, get her to a pet emergency care clinic, or another vet if you haven't one. |
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vaccine reaction with vomiting and bloody diarrhea
AZ Nomad wrote:
On Mon, 09 Aug 2010 18:14:24 +0200, Nadia N. wrote: Please anyone who has experience with this, I need help, or at least reassurance. I took Sweety - 2.5 year old ragdoll - to the vet today for her yearly vaccination. She got something called Nobivac Tricat (for feline herpesvirus, feline calicivirus and feline panleucopenia). 3 hours later she started having diarrhea and vomiting. I rushed her back to the vet. Assuming she's not dead from inaction, get her to a pet emergency care clinic, or another vet if you haven't one. She is not dead. She hasn't vomited since the last time I posted. She had one more incident of trying to poo where she just passed mucous which was dark pink in color. It wasn't as bloody as the last time. What exactly else is a vet supposed to do other than what my vet did? He checked her heart and the color of her gums, and gave medicines to try to stop the vomiting and diarrhea. She has no trouble breathing, so he didn't give her an anti-histamine as I've read is done sometimes for adverse reactions to vaccines. If you know what else is supposed to be done, maybe you can post it instead of saying "if she's not dead from inaction". I am trying my best to get her the best care I can. -- Little Monster pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/nnakova/Kotyo Sweety pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/nnakova/Sweety Kotyo and Sweety together: http://picasaweb.google.com/nnakova/KotyoAndSweety |
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vaccine reaction with vomiting and bloody diarrhea
On Mon, 09 Aug 2010 19:38:03 +0200, Nadia N. wrote:
AZ Nomad wrote: On Mon, 09 Aug 2010 18:14:24 +0200, Nadia N. wrote: Please anyone who has experience with this, I need help, or at least reassurance. I took Sweety - 2.5 year old ragdoll - to the vet today for her yearly vaccination. She got something called Nobivac Tricat (for feline herpesvirus, feline calicivirus and feline panleucopenia). 3 hours later she started having diarrhea and vomiting. I rushed her back to the vet. Assuming she's not dead from inaction, get her to a pet emergency care clinic, or another vet if you haven't one. She is not dead. She hasn't vomited since the last time I posted. She had one more incident of trying to poo where she just passed mucous which was dark pink in color. It wasn't as bloody as the last time. What exactly else is a vet supposed to do other than what my vet did? He checked her heart and the color of her gums, and gave medicines to try I don't know. I'm not a vet nor do I play one on usenet. Vomiting is serious business and I wouldn't spend the evening asking strangers on usenet. Kitty'd be in the care of professionals instead. |
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vaccine reaction with vomiting and bloody diarrhea
AZ Nomad wrote:
On Mon, 09 Aug 2010 19:38:03 +0200, Nadia N. wrote: What exactly else is a vet supposed to do other than what my vet did? He checked her heart and the color of her gums, and gave medicines to try I don't know. I'm not a vet nor do I play one on usenet. Vomiting is serious business and I wouldn't spend the evening asking strangers on usenet. Kitty'd be in the care of professionals instead. I did take her to a professional. I took her to her vet - the same one who gave her the vaccination. He gave her Primperan to stop the vomiting and she has indeed stopped vomiting. I have the vet's emergency phone number and he said to call at any time if I notice any change for the worse. At the moment she is sleeping. Earlier she was even washing herself, which to me is a sign that she is feeling better. The reason I posted was because I was hoping to hear from other people who have been in a similar situation with their cat, so I could have some idea of what to expect, and to reassure myself that this happens and cats get over it with the proper care. That was *AFTER* I had taken my cat to the vet for the 2nd time, and after I had talked to him on the phone. I was not looking for vet advice online. I said as much in my original post, right at the top. Maybe you missed reading that part? Again, does anyone have any advice how I can get Sweety to drink? She still refuses any water or broth. She hasn't eaten or drunk since this morning (about 12 hours ago), and she threw up the food she'd eaten then. I am not concerned about her not eating, but I think she needs to drink. I tried to give her water with a syringe and most of it ended up on her fur. For a sick kitty she sure has a lot of fight in her. I don't want to stress her too much by forcing water on her. It's bad enough that I'll have to force bad-tasting medicine down her throat again. I asked the vet about her not drinking and he thinks that she is still feeling too nauseous to want to drink, and that she'll start drinking when she feels better. He said that if she doesn't drink anything until tomorrow morning it won't hurt her, and if she really hasn't started drinking by then I should bring her back in. He repeated again that she was not dehydrated when he looked at her the 2nd time (about 4 hours ago). -- Little Monster pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/nnakova/Kotyo Sweety pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/nnakova/Sweety Kotyo and Sweety together: http://picasaweb.google.com/nnakova/KotyoAndSweety |
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vaccine reaction with vomiting and bloody diarrhea
"Nadia N." wrote
Again, does anyone have any advice how I can get Sweety to drink? She still refuses any water or broth. She hasn't eaten or drunk since this morning (about 12 hours ago), and she threw up the food she'd eaten Drinking is critical. Too dehydrated they will have to put her on an IV. Try broth again, but water it down a bit and make sure it isnt to salty. then. I am not concerned about her not eating, but I think she needs to drink. I tried to give her water with a syringe and most of it ended up on her fur. For a sick kitty she sure has a lot of fight in her. I don't Keep trying. If 'most ended on her fur' that means some got in? Thats important. Do not use milk (unless special cat milk) as older cats are almost always lactose intolerant so it would cause more loss than gain. They make a sort of margarine for lactose intolerant people and it's mostly water. If she likes butter, she may accept licking some of that. want to stress her too much by forcing water on her. It's bad enough that I'll have to force bad-tasting medicine down her throat again. I asked the vet about her not drinking and he thinks that she is still feeling too nauseous to want to drink, and that she'll start drinking when she feels better. He said that if she doesn't drink anything until tomorrow morning it won't hurt her, and if she really hasn't started drinking by then I should bring her back in. He repeated again that she was not dehydrated when he looked at her the 2nd time (about 4 hours ago). I agree she probably isnt too much so if she's normally well aquated. 12 hours is acceptable (not preferred obviously) I've only had experience with one cat that had a bad reaction to a shot, but it was a bit like this. He was allergic to something in that shot. If it helps, he did indeed start drinking a bit in the night and by morning was happy to be waited on hand and foot with little tempting treats in tiny amounts every hour or so. The first thing he accepted with a little bit of my roomate's 'special margarine for the lactose intolerant' (her idea and a good one as it worked). He was my roomate's cat and they moved on so I don't know if Chauncy had any later issues. Just that he didn't have any while she was staying with me. |
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vaccine reaction with vomiting and bloody diarrhea
Sardine juice or tuna juice from a can with their own oil
"Nadia N." wrote in message ... AZ Nomad wrote: On Mon, 09 Aug 2010 19:38:03 +0200, Nadia N. wrote: What exactly else is a vet supposed to do other than what my vet did? He checked her heart and the color of her gums, and gave medicines to try I don't know. I'm not a vet nor do I play one on usenet. Vomiting is serious business and I wouldn't spend the evening asking strangers on usenet. Kitty'd be in the care of professionals instead. I did take her to a professional. I took her to her vet - the same one who gave her the vaccination. He gave her Primperan to stop the vomiting and she has indeed stopped vomiting. I have the vet's emergency phone number and he said to call at any time if I notice any change for the worse. At the moment she is sleeping. Earlier she was even washing herself, which to me is a sign that she is feeling better. The reason I posted was because I was hoping to hear from other people who have been in a similar situation with their cat, so I could have some idea of what to expect, and to reassure myself that this happens and cats get over it with the proper care. That was *AFTER* I had taken my cat to the vet for the 2nd time, and after I had talked to him on the phone. I was not looking for vet advice online. I said as much in my original post, right at the top. Maybe you missed reading that part? Again, does anyone have any advice how I can get Sweety to drink? She still refuses any water or broth. She hasn't eaten or drunk since this morning (about 12 hours ago), and she threw up the food she'd eaten then. I am not concerned about her not eating, but I think she needs to drink. I tried to give her water with a syringe and most of it ended up on her fur. For a sick kitty she sure has a lot of fight in her. I don't want to stress her too much by forcing water on her. It's bad enough that I'll have to force bad-tasting medicine down her throat again. I asked the vet about her not drinking and he thinks that she is still feeling too nauseous to want to drink, and that she'll start drinking when she feels better. He said that if she doesn't drink anything until tomorrow morning it won't hurt her, and if she really hasn't started drinking by then I should bring her back in. He repeated again that she was not dehydrated when he looked at her the 2nd time (about 4 hours ago). -- Little Monster pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/nnakova/Kotyo Sweety pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/nnakova/Sweety Kotyo and Sweety together: http://picasaweb.google.com/nnakova/KotyoAndSweety |
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vaccine reaction with vomiting and bloody diarrhea
cshenk wrote:
"Nadia N." wrote Again, does anyone have any advice how I can get Sweety to drink? She still refuses any water or broth. She hasn't eaten or drunk since this morning (about 12 hours ago), and she threw up the food she'd eaten Drinking is critical. Too dehydrated they will have to put her on an IV. Try broth again, but water it down a bit and make sure it isnt to salty. I managed to get her to drink a bit of chicken broth. It wasn't the broth we cooked especially for her, though - she wouldn't touch that one. But she eats these cans of pure white chicken meat in broth, and after I had exhausted all other choices I gave her some of the broth from the can, diluted with water. At first I didn't want to give her that because it does have some salt in it, but I was out of other things to try, and I did add a lot of water to it. So far I've given it to her 3 times. She slurps up some, then starts licking her chops and stops. I think that maybe she starts feeling nauseous again and that's why she stops. Still, she drank up about 3/4 of a bowl that way (it's her wet food bowl, not as big as a water bowl, but still not small). She has perked up quite a bit. She washed for a while, walked around, even lead me to the fridge asking for food. I'm not supposed to give her food till tomorrow morning though, so she just got more broth. I had to give her a shot - a second dose of the same anti-inflammatory and anti-nausea medicine that the vet gave her at the office. I'd never given a kitty a shot before. I hope I did it right. Poor little girl, having to be stuck with needles by an amateur. I've only had experience with one cat that had a bad reaction to a shot, but it was a bit like this. He was allergic to something in that shot. If it helps, he did indeed start drinking a bit in the night and by morning was happy to be waited on hand and foot with little tempting treats in tiny amounts every hour or so. The first thing he accepted with a little bit of my roomate's 'special margarine for the lactose intolerant' (her idea and a good one as it worked). Thanks for telling me about your roommate's cat. It's good to know this has happened to other kitties before, and they recovered. I have been googling adverse reactions to vaccines, but pretty much all of them describe symptoms that she doesn't have, like swelling up and difficulty breathing, falling over, seizures. I wonder if maybe her symptoms being just vomiting and diarrhea and none of the others mean that this is not so much an allergic reaction to the vaccine, but that the vaccination just weakened her system and let an existing problem get worse. She has always had a sensitive tummy, soft stools, and when I first got her as a kitten she had diarrhea with blood in it for over a week. In any case, she seems better tonight. We'll see how she does with solid food tomorrow... Oh, and to the person who said that she might "die from inattention" and that my vet was unprofessional, my vet called tonight at 11:30 pm to ask how she was doing, and if she had started drinking. Very inattentive of him, yeah. -- Little Monster pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/nnakova/Kotyo Sweety pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/nnakova/Sweety Kotyo and Sweety together: http://picasaweb.google.com/nnakova/KotyoAndSweety |
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vaccine reaction with vomiting and bloody diarrhea
Matthew wrote:
Sardine juice or tuna juice from a can with their own oil Thanks, Matthew. I don't think I can give her anything fish-based. With her upset tummy any kind of fish juice would only make it worse. She doesn't actually get any fish-based food, because the one and only time I tried giving her some she started throwing up, violently. She's always had a sensitive tummy. I managed to get her to drink some chicken broth, as I said in my other post, so things are looking up. Next hurdle - a bit of solid food for breakfast, and the morning dose of anti-diarrhea medicine. It's Flagyl, which seems to taste absolutely awful. When I gave it to her this afternoon she started foaming at the mouth. Poor baby :-( -- Little Monster pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/nnakova/Kotyo Sweety pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/nnakova/Sweety Kotyo and Sweety together: http://picasaweb.google.com/nnakova/KotyoAndSweety |
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vaccine reaction with vomiting and bloody diarrhea
sounds like a really bad reaction to the vaccine. Do you know how to check
to see if they are dehydrated by pulling on their skin Google it. If it is positive and no matter what I would call the vet to see if they need to start IV fluids. I know this is emotional WRITE down all the symptoms and reactions all of them how long apart etc it is easier to tell a vet when stuff like this happens trust me it works. When rumble has is first seizure 7 years ago I was a babbling mess and hysterical my vet who is my friend also thought my mom died. Since than I have learned the above http://www.ehow.com/how_2161409_trea...rated-cat.html http://www.cat-world.com.au/dehydration-in-cats "Nadia N." wrote in message ... Matthew wrote: Sardine juice or tuna juice from a can with their own oil Thanks, Matthew. I don't think I can give her anything fish-based. With her upset tummy any kind of fish juice would only make it worse. She doesn't actually get any fish-based food, because the one and only time I tried giving her some she started throwing up, violently. She's always had a sensitive tummy. I managed to get her to drink some chicken broth, as I said in my other post, so things are looking up. Next hurdle - a bit of solid food for breakfast, and the morning dose of anti-diarrhea medicine. It's Flagyl, which seems to taste absolutely awful. When I gave it to her this afternoon she started foaming at the mouth. Poor baby :-( -- Little Monster pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/nnakova/Kotyo Sweety pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/nnakova/Sweety Kotyo and Sweety together: http://picasaweb.google.com/nnakova/KotyoAndSweety |
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