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declaw or not to declaw?
Annie wrote:
i appreciate the link but i dont appreciate the name-calling and the personal attacks from you and from other people my vet said declawing should be the last resort and i have tried everything else so it is the last resort What have you tried? (Seriously, I want to know. There may be some things you haven't tried yet.) Joyce -- To send email to this address, remove the triple-X from my user name. |
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DON'T FALL FOR IT
"Granby" wrote in message ... I am so glad someone called this one for what it is. This is a subject that will never be solved and I would bet most anything that someone looked up the history and decided to start all the anger and sparring all over again. Thank you Matthew for stopping it before it blew up again. I believe it *can* be solved if all Americans on here when they went to TED asked them if they declaw. If they say "yes" ask them why. Tell them that America is the only place in the world where furniture is more important than cats, give them a guilt trip and threaten to take your business away from them if they admit to it. And keep doing it as you change vets. Flood the internet about how cruel declawing is and give your vet a hard time if s/he will do it. My vet certainly wouldn't unless my cat had a nail bed infection that could not be resolved any other way. We do not remove the claws from our cats here. We are intelligent enough to realise that they come with them installed and if you don't like it, don't have a cat. |
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declaw or not to declaw?
Annie wrote:
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declaw or not to declaw?
hopitus wrote in
news:a5c23bb9-add2-47f2-b06c-cc82034a2b29 @y24g2000hsd.googlegroups.com: On Mar 29, 1:33 pm, "Matthew" Iamacatsl... @proudtoserve.com wrote: "Annie" wrote in message ... i need to declaw my little mitzi because she is tearing up the furniture but my sister says thats cruel the vet says its fine and i believe him over my sister because she is one of those peta nuts who puts the welfare of animals over that of people annie Try Google and learn something Hopefully this group won't fall for some nobody starting this debate gain specially one from a known troll ISP HelLO I thought this was one of the NOT topics in rpca FACs. what does that mean? |
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declaw or not to declaw?
Annie wrote:
"Is Declawing really that cruel?" http://network.bestfriends.org/Blogs...il.aspx?bp=325 "Declawing cats is a very hot topic for debate. For many years now, animal rights people have lied and deceived the public into believing that declawing cats is the most inhumane and horrible procedure on the planet. The truth is, is a common surgical procedure done under anesthesia and if done correctly, there will not be any lasting effects..." Then why is it illegal in almost all of Europe? PETA doesn't have *that* much reach... I'm not crazy about animal-rights fanatics myself, but that doesn't mean that everything they say is wrong. Joyce |
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declaw or not to declaw?
"Annie" wrote in message ... wrote in news:47eeab6f$0$36393 : Annie wrote: i appreciate the link but i dont appreciate the name- calling and the personal attacks from you and from other people my vet said declawing should be the last resort and i have tried everything else so it is the last resort What have you tried? (Seriously, I want to know. There may be some things you haven't tried yet.) Joyce ive covered up the furniture and put out a scratching post and a flat board with carpet on it i tried catching mitzi scratching the furniture and moving her to the cat post or the board and encouraging her to use it when that didnt work i tried yelling no and then moving her when that didnt work i tried a squirt gun when that didnt work i tried clipping her nails short i understand she has to scratch but i cant seem to train her to scratch in a safe place ive really tried hard to avoid declawing her but it seems that mitzi is very stubborn So what will be your 'last resort' solution if having Mitzi's toes amputated doesn't solve your problem? That is a fair question and not meant to be hostile. Quite some years ago when declawing cats was still somewhat acceptable for the mainstream, my sister had a very pretty Persian cat. It was tearing up the furniture so they had it declawed. It came home from the vet and proceeded to take a dump in the middle of the new comforter on their bed. Next stop was the shelter, where hopefully it found a new home since it was a beautiful cat. new home that now has to deal with nastier problems than scratching the furniture. Cats scratch. If you can't deal with that you do not love the cat as much as you think you do. And now I will shut up since the subject does stir up things here and draw trolls, even if you aren't one. Just once in a while it doesn't hurt to set the record straight. BTW, I thought we all agreed that spay and neuter is good and declaw is bad and didn't need discussed. That neither was still up for debate. Anyone opposed on those matters wasn't really welcome. Loophole for ethical breeders like Lois who has such beautiful kittens. Indoor/outdoor couldn't be agreed on nicely so we agreed to disagree silently. Jo |
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declaw or not to declaw?
Annie wrote in
: "Matthew" wrote in : "Annie" wrote in message ... i need to declaw my little mitzi because she is tearing up the furniture but my sister says thats cruel the vet says its fine and i believe him over my sister because she is one of those peta nuts who puts the welfare of animals over that of people annie Try Google and learn something "Is Declawing really that cruel?" http://network.bestfriends.org/Blogs...il.aspx?bp=325 whoops wrong link http://www.geocities.com/declawing/ "Declawing cats is a very hot topic for debate. For many years now, animal rights people have lied and deceived the public into believing that declawing cats is the most inhumane and horrible procedure on the planet. The truth is, is a common surgical procedure done under anesthesia and if done correctly, there will not be any lasting effects..." this is a very good article that rebuts many of the assertions made by people who are against declawing here's more "Another misconception is that most cats surrendered to shelters are declawed. The oposite is true, declawed cats are more likely to keep their homes. From Veterinary Partner: In a study of 276 cat owners, declawing successfully met or surpassed the owner?s expectations in all cases. There was 96% owner satisfaction at the time of the study (up from 81% prior to surgery) and over 70% of cat owners indicated that there was an improvement in the cat-owner relationship. In a study of veterinarians in Ontario, it was estimated that over 50% of owners of declawed cats would not have owned or kept their cats, had they not been declawed. Declawing cats may save their lives! If you are still in doubt, here is an experiment you can do yourself. Petfinder.com is a website where shelters through US can advertise the animals they have for adoption. If you go to their quick animal search, select cat and type a zip code, you will notice that there are very few declawed cats that were surrendered to the shelters. Declawed cats will have the picture of a paw in the "features" field and is very easy to compare how many declawed vs non-declawed cats are homeless." |
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declaw or not to declaw?
Annie wrote:
ive covered up the furniture and put out a scratching post and a flat board with carpet on it i tried catching mitzi scratching the furniture and moving her to the cat post or the board and encouraging her to use it when that didnt work i tried yelling no and then moving her when that didnt work i tried a squirt gun when that didnt work i tried clipping her nails short Have you tried SoftPaws, or something like it? These are coverings that the vet would put onto her claws. Check this out: http://www.softpaws.com/ Also, there are sprays you can squirt onto furniture that smell bad to a cat and would discourage them from visiting that area, but wouldn't smell bad to a human. You might ask at a pet store or ask your vet about that. I hear that cats don't like the smell of citrus, so maybe a citrus spray would help? Another thing that some people have tried is to put aluminum foil onto places where they don't want their cat going, touching, scratching, etc. Apparently, cats can't stand the feeling of it. I've mostly heard this used to stop a cat from peeing on places they shouldn't, and I'm sure it's much easier to put aluminum foil on a flat surface than on the arms of a couch or chair, but you might give it a try. At the same time, rub some catnip on her scratching post, and see if she gets used to using that. You wouldn't have to keep the foil on your furniture forever, just until she's "retrained" into using the scratching post. Also, get her a couple more scratching posts, and put them right next to the places on the furniture where she scratches. I have a scratching post next to one arm of my couch where the cats used to scratch, and they switched to the scratching post when I got them that. But they still continued to scratch the *other* arm of the couch, when they were on that end... too lazy to go over to their scratching post! So I got a second scratching post and put it next to the other arm - voila, no more scratching the couch. Maybe your cat needs one or two more scratching posts to divert her attention? Joyce -- To send email to this address, remove the triple-X from my user name. |
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