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  #11  
Old March 29th 08, 09:49 PM posted to rec.pets.cats.anecdotes
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Default declaw or not to declaw?

Annie wrote:

i appreciate the link but i dont appreciate the name-calling
and the personal attacks from you and from other people


my vet said declawing should be the last resort and i have
tried everything else so it is the last resort


What have you tried? (Seriously, I want to know. There may be some
things you haven't tried yet.)

Joyce

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  #12  
Old March 29th 08, 09:53 PM posted to rec.pets.cats.anecdotes
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"Granby" wrote in message
...
I am so glad someone called this one for what it is. This is a subject
that will never be solved and I would bet most anything that someone looked
up the history and decided to start all the anger and sparring all over
again. Thank you Matthew for stopping it before it blew up again.

I believe it *can* be solved if all Americans on here when they went to TED
asked them if they declaw. If they say "yes" ask them why. Tell them that
America is the only place in the world where furniture is more important
than cats, give them a guilt trip and threaten to take your business away
from them if they admit to it.
And keep doing it as you change vets. Flood the internet about how cruel
declawing is and give your vet a hard time if s/he will do it.
My vet certainly wouldn't unless my cat had a nail bed infection that could
not be resolved any other way.
We do not remove the claws from our cats here. We are intelligent enough to
realise that they come with them installed and if you don't like it, don't
have a cat.










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Old March 29th 08, 09:58 PM posted to rec.pets.cats.anecdotes
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Old March 29th 08, 10:01 PM posted to rec.pets.cats.anecdotes
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hopitus wrote in
news:a5c23bb9-add2-47f2-b06c-cc82034a2b29
@y24g2000hsd.googlegroups.com:

On Mar 29, 1:33 pm, "Matthew" Iamacatsl...

@proudtoserve.com wrote:
"Annie" wrote in message

...

i need to declaw my little mitzi because she is tearing

up
the furniture but my sister says thats cruel


the vet says its fine and i believe him over my sister
because she is one of those peta nuts who puts the

welfare of
animals over that of people


annie


Try Google and learn something

Hopefully this group won't fall for some nobody starting

this debate
gain specially one from a known troll ISP


HelLO I thought this was one of the NOT topics in rpca

FACs.


what does that mean?
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Old March 29th 08, 10:18 PM posted to rec.pets.cats.anecdotes
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Default declaw or not to declaw?

Annie wrote:

"Is Declawing really that cruel?"
http://network.bestfriends.org/Blogs...il.aspx?bp=325
"Declawing cats is a very hot topic for debate. For many
years now, animal rights people have lied and deceived the
public into believing that declawing cats is the most
inhumane and horrible procedure on the planet. The truth is,
is a common surgical procedure done under anesthesia and if
done correctly, there will not be any lasting effects..."


Then why is it illegal in almost all of Europe? PETA doesn't have
*that* much reach...

I'm not crazy about animal-rights fanatics myself, but that doesn't
mean that everything they say is wrong.

Joyce
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Old March 29th 08, 10:20 PM posted to rec.pets.cats.anecdotes
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Default declaw or not to declaw?


"Annie" wrote in message
...
wrote in news:47eeab6f$0$36393
:

Annie wrote:

i appreciate the link but i dont appreciate the name-

calling
and the personal attacks from you and from other people


my vet said declawing should be the last resort and i

have
tried everything else so it is the last resort


What have you tried? (Seriously, I want to know. There may

be some
things you haven't tried yet.)

Joyce


ive covered up the furniture and put out a scratching post
and a flat board with carpet on it

i tried catching mitzi scratching the furniture and moving
her to the cat post or the board and encouraging her to use
it

when that didnt work i tried yelling no and then moving her
when that didnt work i tried a squirt gun
when that didnt work i tried clipping her nails short

i understand she has to scratch but i cant seem to train her
to scratch in a safe place

ive really tried hard to avoid declawing her but it seems
that mitzi is very stubborn


So what will be your 'last resort' solution if having Mitzi's toes amputated
doesn't solve your problem? That is a fair question and not meant to be
hostile.

Quite some years ago when declawing cats was still somewhat acceptable for
the mainstream, my sister had a very pretty Persian cat. It was tearing up
the furniture so they had it declawed. It came home from the vet and
proceeded to take a dump in the middle of the new comforter on their bed.

Next stop was the shelter, where hopefully it found a new home since it was
a beautiful cat. new home that now has to deal with nastier problems than
scratching the furniture.

Cats scratch. If you can't deal with that you do not love the cat as much
as you think you do.

And now I will shut up since the subject does stir up things here and draw
trolls, even if you aren't one. Just once in a while it doesn't hurt to set
the record straight.

BTW, I thought we all agreed that spay and neuter is good and declaw is bad
and didn't need discussed. That neither was still up for debate. Anyone
opposed on those matters wasn't really welcome. Loophole for ethical
breeders like Lois who has such beautiful kittens.

Indoor/outdoor couldn't be agreed on nicely so we agreed to disagree
silently.

Jo


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Old March 29th 08, 10:26 PM posted to rec.pets.cats.anecdotes
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Annie wrote in
:

"Matthew" wrote in
:


"Annie" wrote in message
...
i need to declaw my little mitzi because she is tearing up
the furniture but my sister says thats cruel

the vet says its fine and i believe him over my sister
because she is one of those peta nuts who puts the

welfare
of
animals over that of people

annie


Try Google and learn something


"Is Declawing really that cruel?"
http://network.bestfriends.org/Blogs...il.aspx?bp=325


whoops
wrong link
http://www.geocities.com/declawing/
"Declawing cats is a very hot topic for debate. For many
years now, animal rights people have lied and deceived the
public into believing that declawing cats is the most
inhumane and horrible procedure on the planet. The truth

is,
is a common surgical procedure done under anesthesia and if
done correctly, there will not be any lasting effects..."


this is a very good article that rebuts many of the
assertions made by people who are against declawing

here's more

"Another misconception is that most cats surrendered to
shelters are declawed. The oposite is true, declawed cats are
more likely to keep their homes. From Veterinary Partner: In
a study of 276 cat owners, declawing successfully met or
surpassed the owner?s expectations in all cases. There was
96% owner satisfaction at the time of the study (up from 81%
prior to surgery) and over 70% of cat owners indicated that
there was an improvement in the cat-owner relationship. In a
study of veterinarians in Ontario, it was estimated that over
50% of owners of declawed cats would not have owned or kept
their cats, had they not been declawed. Declawing cats may
save their lives! If you are still in doubt, here is an
experiment you can do yourself. Petfinder.com is a website
where shelters through US can advertise the animals they have
for adoption. If you go to their quick animal search, select
cat and type a zip code, you will notice that there are very
few declawed cats that were surrendered to the shelters.
Declawed cats will have the picture of a paw in the
"features" field and is very easy to compare how many
declawed vs non-declawed cats are homeless."
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Old March 29th 08, 10:30 PM posted to rec.pets.cats.anecdotes
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Default declaw or not to declaw?

Annie wrote:

ive covered up the furniture and put out a scratching post
and a flat board with carpet on it


i tried catching mitzi scratching the furniture and moving
her to the cat post or the board and encouraging her to use
it


when that didnt work i tried yelling no and then moving her
when that didnt work i tried a squirt gun
when that didnt work i tried clipping her nails short


Have you tried SoftPaws, or something like it? These are coverings
that the vet would put onto her claws.

Check this out:
http://www.softpaws.com/

Also, there are sprays you can squirt onto furniture that smell bad
to a cat and would discourage them from visiting that area, but
wouldn't smell bad to a human. You might ask at a pet store or ask
your vet about that. I hear that cats don't like the smell of citrus,
so maybe a citrus spray would help?

Another thing that some people have tried is to put aluminum foil
onto places where they don't want their cat going, touching, scratching,
etc. Apparently, cats can't stand the feeling of it. I've mostly heard
this used to stop a cat from peeing on places they shouldn't, and I'm
sure it's much easier to put aluminum foil on a flat surface than on the
arms of a couch or chair, but you might give it a try. At the same time,
rub some catnip on her scratching post, and see if she gets used to using
that. You wouldn't have to keep the foil on your furniture forever, just
until she's "retrained" into using the scratching post.

Also, get her a couple more scratching posts, and put them right next
to the places on the furniture where she scratches. I have a scratching
post next to one arm of my couch where the cats used to scratch, and
they switched to the scratching post when I got them that. But they
still continued to scratch the *other* arm of the couch, when they were
on that end... too lazy to go over to their scratching post! So I got
a second scratching post and put it next to the other arm - voila, no
more scratching the couch. Maybe your cat needs one or two more
scratching posts to divert her attention?

Joyce

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Old March 29th 08, 10:30 PM posted to rec.pets.cats.anecdotes
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Default declaw or not to declaw?

wrote:
Annie wrote:

"Is Declawing really that cruel?"
http://network.bestfriends.org/Blogs...il.aspx?bp=325
"Declawing cats is a very hot topic for debate. For many
years now, animal rights people have lied and deceived the
public into believing that declawing cats is the most
inhumane and horrible procedure on the planet. The truth is,
is a common surgical procedure done under anesthesia and if
done correctly, there will not be any lasting effects..."


Then why is it illegal in almost all of Europe? PETA doesn't have
*that* much reach...

I'm not crazy about animal-rights fanatics myself, but that doesn't
mean that everything they say is wrong.


Eh, assuming the OP actually has a cat that still has claws, its pretty
clear that the OP intends to declaw said cat no matter what we say, which
begs the question of why they'd bother to ask on a newsgroup when they've
already made up their mind.

The conclusion is obvious.

Yowie


 




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