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On Thu, 25 Dec 2003 14:42:31 GMT, "Linda Terrell"
wrote: On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 20:16:58 UTC, Bob Brenchley. wrote: On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 17:06:56 GMT, "Linda Terrell" wrote: On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 23:16:41 UTC, Bob Brenchley. wrote: On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 16:41:10 GMT, "Linda Terrell" wrote: Stupid Troll. --did someone write this for you, Bob? LT Stupid troll. So, you are still talking to your mirror. LT Stupid troll. Your mirror is stuck. LT Stupid troll. -- Bob. If brains were taxed, you would get a rebate. |
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Susan,
I'm new as well to this group...and while I don't let my cats out (big city), I have no problem with other people doing it. Cats are the least domesticated of the 'domestic' animals - and as Kipling said, (paraphrased) "And she walked by herself." Ce la vie. Anyway, back to the original question: I've had nine cats over the years....generally I find that having a male, and then getting a female is the way to go. Right now I have four cats: three males and a much older female, who doesn't get along with anyone - her buddy, another female, died recently...so she's hanging on her own - with me. Typically, if you have more than two males there might be a dominance issue - but if they are around the same age, and neutered, they generally work it out. Sometimes, as with dogs, you can establish who you want to be No. 1 and No. 2 - through feeding, grooming, and playing priority (no. 1 first, etc.). If you get another cat - I would advise establishing your first cat as the dominant cat in the house or yard. That sets the ground rules - and getting a kitten (or a cat less than a year old - not necessarily a just weened kitten) is ideal. Then they do look 'up' to the older cat. Not sure what happened with answering someone's inquiry straight-forward....but with most newsgroups, I've found this to be an ongoing issue - it seems some of the posters need to establish 'dominance' ..... Just ignore the "troll"esque threads - and read the ones that stay on topic to the post. I hope this long-winded, albeit belated...post helps... Sincerely, Melissa "Susan" wrote in message ... I am a brand new subscriber and have a question - we have had cats for years, but never 2 until last year when we adopted a year old female, part Russian Blue, after having to put down our 18 year old cat. She was a shelter cat and had free run of the shelter, so she was lonely and we got a 4 month old male a couple of months later. He was very dominant right off the bat and ambushed her constantly. They got along and played alot, but I know there were times when she was not at all happy with the constant ambushing. We also have 2 Labrador Retrievers and I believe Morris thinks he's a dog and gets along famously with them. Anyway, the female cat disappeared about 2 months ago. Morris is about a year old now and he's really lonely. We're going to adopt another, but I'm curious whether it's better to have 2 cats of the same sex or doesn't it matter if they are neutered to begin with. Any thoughts? Susan -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
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Susan,
I'm new as well to this group...and while I don't let my cats out (big city), I have no problem with other people doing it. Cats are the least domesticated of the 'domestic' animals - and as Kipling said, (paraphrased) "And she walked by herself." Ce la vie. Anyway, back to the original question: I've had nine cats over the years....generally I find that having a male, and then getting a female is the way to go. Right now I have four cats: three males and a much older female, who doesn't get along with anyone - her buddy, another female, died recently...so she's hanging on her own - with me. Typically, if you have more than two males there might be a dominance issue - but if they are around the same age, and neutered, they generally work it out. Sometimes, as with dogs, you can establish who you want to be No. 1 and No. 2 - through feeding, grooming, and playing priority (no. 1 first, etc.). If you get another cat - I would advise establishing your first cat as the dominant cat in the house or yard. That sets the ground rules - and getting a kitten (or a cat less than a year old - not necessarily a just weened kitten) is ideal. Then they do look 'up' to the older cat. Not sure what happened with answering someone's inquiry straight-forward....but with most newsgroups, I've found this to be an ongoing issue - it seems some of the posters need to establish 'dominance' ..... Just ignore the "troll"esque threads - and read the ones that stay on topic to the post. I hope this long-winded, albeit belated...post helps... Sincerely, Melissa "Susan" wrote in message ... I am a brand new subscriber and have a question - we have had cats for years, but never 2 until last year when we adopted a year old female, part Russian Blue, after having to put down our 18 year old cat. She was a shelter cat and had free run of the shelter, so she was lonely and we got a 4 month old male a couple of months later. He was very dominant right off the bat and ambushed her constantly. They got along and played alot, but I know there were times when she was not at all happy with the constant ambushing. We also have 2 Labrador Retrievers and I believe Morris thinks he's a dog and gets along famously with them. Anyway, the female cat disappeared about 2 months ago. Morris is about a year old now and he's really lonely. We're going to adopt another, but I'm curious whether it's better to have 2 cats of the same sex or doesn't it matter if they are neutered to begin with. Any thoughts? Susan -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
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Sorry to go off the intended topic of this thread, but some of the
replies to the original post make me feel the need to speak up. I have been signed up to the cats group for several months now, and have often come across similar closed-minded criticism against cat owners who let their pets go outside. Terms such as 'cruel' and 'uncaring' are used against these owners, with terms like 'safe' and 'happier' used to describe the life of an indoor cat. How about 'boring' and 'sedentary'? I believe it is unfair to keep any animal confined to a small space. Seen the large cats pacing unhappily at the zoo recently? If given the choice themselves, how many cats do you think would choose to live wholly indoors, and not want to explore and sniff things and chase things outside? It is quite unrealistic to think that an enquistive opportunistic predator like the domestic cat can be mentally healthy while imprisioned. My cat has a cat door, and can choose whether she wants to be in or out. She let us know early on that she wanted to go outside, by trying to get out the back door whenever we went out. I was initially nervous when she went outside, but then when I saw how much happier she was having the freedom to decide for herself where she wanted to be. Now I could never keep her completely cooped up in the house. I would rather not have an animal at all then keep it in conditions that are more designed to meet my selfish needs than theirs. Whose needs are more important, yours or theirs? |
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Sorry to go off the intended topic of this thread, but some of the
replies to the original post make me feel the need to speak up. I have been signed up to the cats group for several months now, and have often come across similar closed-minded criticism against cat owners who let their pets go outside. Terms such as 'cruel' and 'uncaring' are used against these owners, with terms like 'safe' and 'happier' used to describe the life of an indoor cat. How about 'boring' and 'sedentary'? I believe it is unfair to keep any animal confined to a small space. Seen the large cats pacing unhappily at the zoo recently? If given the choice themselves, how many cats do you think would choose to live wholly indoors, and not want to explore and sniff things and chase things outside? It is quite unrealistic to think that an enquistive opportunistic predator like the domestic cat can be mentally healthy while imprisioned. My cat has a cat door, and can choose whether she wants to be in or out. She let us know early on that she wanted to go outside, by trying to get out the back door whenever we went out. I was initially nervous when she went outside, but then when I saw how much happier she was having the freedom to decide for herself where she wanted to be. Now I could never keep her completely cooped up in the house. I would rather not have an animal at all then keep it in conditions that are more designed to meet my selfish needs than theirs. Whose needs are more important, yours or theirs? |
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Jellicoe wrote:
I would rather not have an animal at all then keep it in conditions that are more designed to meet my selfish needs than theirs. Whose needs are more important, yours or theirs? I see you live in New Zealand. Wonderful country, with very little people and lots of room for cats to roam around safely. No predators either. Sounds like a great place for cats! Not all of us live in such places. Some of us live in large cities, with lots of busy streets filled with cars. Guess who wins when a car meets a cat on the road? Others live where there are coyotes and other predators that would love to make a meal out of our loved cats. If you ever travel to Texas, give me a call. I would love to show you my home, with our 7 indoor-only cats. You can judge by yourself if they are "bored", "sedentary" or in any way unhappy. Cheers. -- Victor Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam he Email me he |
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Jellicoe wrote:
I would rather not have an animal at all then keep it in conditions that are more designed to meet my selfish needs than theirs. Whose needs are more important, yours or theirs? I see you live in New Zealand. Wonderful country, with very little people and lots of room for cats to roam around safely. No predators either. Sounds like a great place for cats! Not all of us live in such places. Some of us live in large cities, with lots of busy streets filled with cars. Guess who wins when a car meets a cat on the road? Others live where there are coyotes and other predators that would love to make a meal out of our loved cats. If you ever travel to Texas, give me a call. I would love to show you my home, with our 7 indoor-only cats. You can judge by yourself if they are "bored", "sedentary" or in any way unhappy. Cheers. -- Victor Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam he Email me he |
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"Victor Martinez" wrote in message
... I see you live in New Zealand. Wonderful country, with very little people and lots of room for cats to roam around safely. No predators either. Sounds like a great place for cats! Not all of us live in such places. Some of us live in large cities, with lots of busy streets filled with cars. Guess who wins when a car meets a cat on the road? Others live where there are coyotes and other predators that would love to make a meal out of our loved cats. If you ever travel to Texas, give me a call. I would love to show you my home, with our 7 indoor-only cats. You can judge by yourself if they are "bored", "sedentary" or in any way unhappy. Totally agreed, Victor. Indoor cats may have a very rich, and not to mention long, and good life. Most indoor cats live longer than outdoor cats, just because the are safe from the mentioned dangers. And they may have an even better life if they are two or more. I am out of the house about 10 hours a day, and I know that my cats are happy with eachother's company while I'm away, even if I suspect they spend most of the time sleeping... My cats are Devon Rex, and here in Norway it's better to prepare them to be indoor cats all their lives. The winters are cold and snowy, and these cats, skinny, with short and thin fur, would be in danger of freezing to death within short time. In summer, they can get fatal sunburns when exposed to the sun. So the solution then would be to let them out on April 25th and September 15th, when the weather conditions could be suitable. :-) -- Hans It is about -10C (12.2F) cold today... |
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"Victor Martinez" wrote in message
... I see you live in New Zealand. Wonderful country, with very little people and lots of room for cats to roam around safely. No predators either. Sounds like a great place for cats! Not all of us live in such places. Some of us live in large cities, with lots of busy streets filled with cars. Guess who wins when a car meets a cat on the road? Others live where there are coyotes and other predators that would love to make a meal out of our loved cats. If you ever travel to Texas, give me a call. I would love to show you my home, with our 7 indoor-only cats. You can judge by yourself if they are "bored", "sedentary" or in any way unhappy. Totally agreed, Victor. Indoor cats may have a very rich, and not to mention long, and good life. Most indoor cats live longer than outdoor cats, just because the are safe from the mentioned dangers. And they may have an even better life if they are two or more. I am out of the house about 10 hours a day, and I know that my cats are happy with eachother's company while I'm away, even if I suspect they spend most of the time sleeping... My cats are Devon Rex, and here in Norway it's better to prepare them to be indoor cats all their lives. The winters are cold and snowy, and these cats, skinny, with short and thin fur, would be in danger of freezing to death within short time. In summer, they can get fatal sunburns when exposed to the sun. So the solution then would be to let them out on April 25th and September 15th, when the weather conditions could be suitable. :-) -- Hans It is about -10C (12.2F) cold today... |
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"Victor Martinez" wrote in message ... Jellicoe wrote: I would rather not have an animal at all then keep it in conditions that are more designed to meet my selfish needs than theirs. Whose needs are more important, yours or theirs? I see you live in New Zealand. Wonderful country, with very little people and lots of room for cats to roam around safely. No predators either. Sounds like a great place for cats! Not all of us live in such places. Some of us live in large cities, with lots of busy streets filled with cars. Guess who wins when a car meets a cat on the road? Others live where there are coyotes and other predators that would love to make a meal out of our loved cats. If you ever travel to Texas, give me a call. I would love to show you my home, with our 7 indoor-only cats. You can judge by yourself if they are "bored", "sedentary" or in any way unhappy. So do you think it fair on the cats to keep them indoors just because *you* choose to live in a city..? Ivor |
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