Just read about what is really in cat food

From: (GAUBSTER2)

You just told me that I "haven't read the book, either." This is a clear
admission by you that "you" have not read the book, yet now you claim to
have "seen" paragraphs. "Seeing" paragraphs is not the same as "reading"
them, and this is typical of your backpedaling tactics. You have yet to
prove or back up any of your claims.

Megan, this is likely the last time I will respond to you. It's become quite
clear to me that you are not someone I should waste my time on.

LOL, you really are ridiculous, do you know that? Why don't you want to
respond to Megan anymore? Because she sees you for what you are - a no nothing
narrow minded opinionated jerk who changes his story as things go along? Do
you have training wheels on that bike?

"Ann Martin" wrote in message
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No, I don't feed a raw diet. The meat I feed is always lightly
cooked. The veggies are raw and I do add grains in small amounts.

I feed some chicken lightly cooked but obviously it isn't a meal, its
more of a filler rather than giving him more dry food when he begs so
badly for food. Veggies and grains tend to make his IBD worse so I'm
trying to stay away from those. Even the IVD prescription food rabbit
and green peas made him MUCH worse. I'm trying to work in brown rice
but he doesn't really like it.

It
is hard to devise a homemade diet for a pet with IBD. A friend of
mine, a veterinarian of internal medicine, retired from U of C, has
found that in dogs with exercise this problem returns, confined,
they
are fine. Another friend of mine, Al Plechner, DVM, is just coming
out with a book on health related problems in dogs and cats. I have
his book on disc and will see if I can find anything on IBD and
diet.

I would appreciate that! His vet only had one recipe which is what
I've been trying but rather than using ground chicken I'm shredding
it. He likes to chew his food; only likes shredded canned and not
cubes. Fussy guy.

Sorry that the discussion is freaking you out but people have to
question what is being used in the foods they are feeding their
pets.
I've talked to many people, including veterinarians that practiced
forty years ago and they did not see the problems in pets that we
are
seeing now. If you have a relative that is older ask them what they
fed their pets prior to the growth of the pet food industry and then
ask them how many illnesses their pets had and how long these pets
lived.

When I was a kid (40 now) we had a cat who lived to about 21 years.
She ate nothing but Tender Vittles but she was an indoor/outdoor cat.
She never had any health problems until close to the end where she had
arthritis and was becoming either senile or deaf.

Bet you will get a far different scenario then we are seeing
today. You might also ask how often their pets were vaccinated as
this
also seems to contribute to many problems. My cats received their
initial kitten shots and have not been vaccinated since. I might
add
that my cats are all indoor cats.

Thanks. I think you have something there; both with the food and the
vaccinations. Our Fluffy (childhood cat) only had her initial shots
too. The vets now won't even treat for something like skin allergies
without shots up to date though.

"Ann Martin" wrote in message
om...

No, I don't feed a raw diet. The meat I feed is always lightly
cooked. The veggies are raw and I do add grains in small amounts.

I feed some chicken lightly cooked but obviously it isn't a meal, its
more of a filler rather than giving him more dry food when he begs so
badly for food. Veggies and grains tend to make his IBD worse so I'm
trying to stay away from those. Even the IVD prescription food rabbit
and green peas made him MUCH worse. I'm trying to work in brown rice
but he doesn't really like it.

It
is hard to devise a homemade diet for a pet with IBD. A friend of
mine, a veterinarian of internal medicine, retired from U of C, has
found that in dogs with exercise this problem returns, confined,
they
are fine. Another friend of mine, Al Plechner, DVM, is just coming
out with a book on health related problems in dogs and cats. I have
his book on disc and will see if I can find anything on IBD and
diet.

I would appreciate that! His vet only had one recipe which is what
I've been trying but rather than using ground chicken I'm shredding
it. He likes to chew his food; only likes shredded canned and not
cubes. Fussy guy.

Sorry that the discussion is freaking you out but people have to
question what is being used in the foods they are feeding their
pets.
I've talked to many people, including veterinarians that practiced
forty years ago and they did not see the problems in pets that we
are
seeing now. If you have a relative that is older ask them what they
fed their pets prior to the growth of the pet food industry and then
ask them how many illnesses their pets had and how long these pets
lived.

When I was a kid (40 now) we had a cat who lived to about 21 years.
She ate nothing but Tender Vittles but she was an indoor/outdoor cat.
She never had any health problems until close to the end where she had
arthritis and was becoming either senile or deaf.

Bet you will get a far different scenario then we are seeing
today. You might also ask how often their pets were vaccinated as
this
also seems to contribute to many problems. My cats received their
initial kitten shots and have not been vaccinated since. I might
add
that my cats are all indoor cats.

Thanks. I think you have something there; both with the food and the
vaccinations. Our Fluffy (childhood cat) only had her initial shots
too. The vets now won't even treat for something like skin allergies
without shots up to date though.

(Ann Martin) wrote in message . com...
"Cheryl" wrote

Sorry that the discussion is freaking you out but people have to
question what is being used in the foods they are feeding their pets.
I've talked to many people, including veterinarians that practiced
forty years ago and they did not see the problems in pets that we are
seeing now. If you have a relative that is older ask them what they
fed their pets prior to the growth of the pet food industry and then
ask them how many illnesses their pets had and how long these pets
lived.

Here we go again with unsubstantiated myths, based on "opinions"
and completely devoid of facts. Pets are living today *FAR* longer
than they ever did in the past. To insinuate otherwise is completely
false. There are a number of reasons for this, better veterinary care,
better vaccines, and better foods. All of which are resposnible for
cats and dogs living much longer than they ever did before. The major
causes of pet death used to be trauma (hit by car) and disease. We've
eliminated most of the common diseases like distemper that used to
kill cats, and the number of trauma deaths has declined as pets have
become more important in everyday life and we take better care of
them. Nothing lives forever. Since we have a much older population
than we ever had in the past, we have to expect to see more cats and
dogs live to a much older age where cancer, kidney failure, etc are
common. This mantra of pets living better and longer lives in the past
is pure poppycock and nonsense. 30 years ago a cat that lived to be 20
years old was a extreme rarity, now they are common place in every
veterinary clinic. The rarity is now a cat a decade older at 30 years
of age, and those aren't so rare anymore.

(Ann Martin) wrote in message . com...
"Cheryl" wrote

Sorry that the discussion is freaking you out but people have to
question what is being used in the foods they are feeding their pets.
I've talked to many people, including veterinarians that practiced
forty years ago and they did not see the problems in pets that we are
seeing now. If you have a relative that is older ask them what they
fed their pets prior to the growth of the pet food industry and then
ask them how many illnesses their pets had and how long these pets
lived.

Here we go again with unsubstantiated myths, based on "opinions"
and completely devoid of facts. Pets are living today *FAR* longer
than they ever did in the past. To insinuate otherwise is completely
false. There are a number of reasons for this, better veterinary care,
better vaccines, and better foods. All of which are resposnible for
cats and dogs living much longer than they ever did before. The major
causes of pet death used to be trauma (hit by car) and disease. We've
eliminated most of the common diseases like distemper that used to
kill cats, and the number of trauma deaths has declined as pets have
become more important in everyday life and we take better care of
them. Nothing lives forever. Since we have a much older population
than we ever had in the past, we have to expect to see more cats and
dogs live to a much older age where cancer, kidney failure, etc are
common. This mantra of pets living better and longer lives in the past
is pure poppycock and nonsense. 30 years ago a cat that lived to be 20
years old was a extreme rarity, now they are common place in every
veterinary clinic. The rarity is now a cat a decade older at 30 years
of age, and those aren't so rare anymore.

(Ann Martin) wrote in message . com...
wrote in message . ..
(Ann Martin) wrote:

I don't think that my conclusions are "unproven." My conclusions are
based on facts, facts provided through research by veterinarians,
specialists in their various fields, worldwide. These are not my
conclusions, these are conclusions reached by professionals.

Please provide proof of your claims from peer reviewed published
sources, not just testimonial opinions.




According to veterinarians such as Wendell Belfield, Al Plechner, vets
that practiced 30-40 years ago, dogs and cats were living longer and
fed basically table scraps. Our own veterinarian who is from England
stated he observed the same thing in pets there. I know that dogs we
had in that time frame lived longer then the dogs I had 15-20 years
ago and fed commercial pet foods.

That is utter nonsense and completely unsupported by the facts. Look
at your "sources" all people who have something to sell and want to
create fear among pet owners so they can rush into the rescue for
$1.98. Belfield of all people Geesh.


I'm speaking about a breed of dog that I know and have raised for many
years, the Newfoundland. Newfs, forty years ago, had a lifespan
between 16-20 years. There lifespan now is an average of 8 years. My
last one was 14 when he died and this was considered "very old" for a
Newf.

Good grief, clearly somone is delusional here. This claim is utter
nonsense. Newfys NEVER lived to an average of "16-20" years old. To
make such a statement is so completely ridiculous one has to assume
somebody's been smoking something or you think we are all so damn
ignorant we would accept such silly nonsense. That certainly has to be
one of the most blatant falsehoods I've seen on this NG in years.

(Ann Martin) wrote in message . com...
wrote in message . ..
(Ann Martin) wrote:

I don't think that my conclusions are "unproven." My conclusions are
based on facts, facts provided through research by veterinarians,
specialists in their various fields, worldwide. These are not my
conclusions, these are conclusions reached by professionals.

Please provide proof of your claims from peer reviewed published
sources, not just testimonial opinions.




According to veterinarians such as Wendell Belfield, Al Plechner, vets
that practiced 30-40 years ago, dogs and cats were living longer and
fed basically table scraps. Our own veterinarian who is from England
stated he observed the same thing in pets there. I know that dogs we
had in that time frame lived longer then the dogs I had 15-20 years
ago and fed commercial pet foods.

That is utter nonsense and completely unsupported by the facts. Look
at your "sources" all people who have something to sell and want to
create fear among pet owners so they can rush into the rescue for
$1.98. Belfield of all people Geesh.


I'm speaking about a breed of dog that I know and have raised for many
years, the Newfoundland. Newfs, forty years ago, had a lifespan
between 16-20 years. There lifespan now is an average of 8 years. My
last one was 14 when he died and this was considered "very old" for a
Newf.

Good grief, clearly somone is delusional here. This claim is utter
nonsense. Newfys NEVER lived to an average of "16-20" years old. To
make such a statement is so completely ridiculous one has to assume
somebody's been smoking something or you think we are all so damn
ignorant we would accept such silly nonsense. That certainly has to be
one of the most blatant falsehoods I've seen on this NG in years.

"~*SooZy*~" wrote in message ...
"Ann Martin" wrote in message
om...
"~*SooZy*~" wrote
Cheryl, up until 14 years ago I fed my dogs and cats commercial
pet
foods and it seemed I had one of them at the vets every week or
two.
My one cat suffered from bladder stones and was on a prescription
diet. He had been on this over two years and was not improving.
When
I put my other pets on a homemade diet I decided I had nothing to
lose
if I put him on the same diet. He has not had an attack since and
he
is now 28 years old. My other two cats, ages 11 and 12 have never
eaten commercial foods and I have had only one trip to the vet
with
one of them and that was because he had a fur ball.

Ann really good to hear about the diet and it working so well, do
you
use a
teaspoon of bran each day? Have read that stops hairballs....... I
did
notice you only had a hairball problem once might I add?

SooZy, I do add bran but not every day. I usually add it if my old
guy gets constipated and it works very well. All my guys are
short-hair and are combed nearly every day, perhaps that is why they
have not developed furballs over the years. The addition of bran
would be great as a preventative for furballs.

Ann

Oh thanks Ann, Moshi is semi long haired being a Ragdoll and I groom
him
twice a day as he is a kitten so I want to treat grooming as a bonding
thing
between us which he enjoys, he comes over when he sea's the brush :-)
maybe
every other day to his diet would be enough do you think? Oh I wish my
Miss
Bebe would eat a homemade diet!

SooZy, you could try it every other day and see how it goes. There
are many people with old cats that do add it on a daily basis and the
cats seem to do very well. It's not going to do any harm. With Miss
Bebe you might try adding a small amount of your homemade diet to the
food she is eating now and gradually increase the amount until she is
completely on the homemade foods. Cats, unlike many dogs, take longer
to adjust to a new diet. It took my old cat about three months.

Good luck!
Ann

Ann I have tried, trouble is she only eats dried food so you can't hide it!
if she even smells any raw, cooked or wet cat food she wont touch her dried
food. She starved for over a week because I would not give in, trouble is
bebe is very lithe and I was worried she would make herself ill by not
eating! so I gave in.
She spends ages each day trying to hide Moshi's food bowls, scratching
around the dish why he is trying to eat!
When she stayed at my friends for 2 weeks all her cats 10 of them eat raw
and still she wouldn't even try it! I have tried, lamb, chickens liver,
hearts, kidneys, fish, chicken, beef slices, diced, mince, lamb, cooked and
raw, tried putting her dried food through the food processor and added a bit
of raw thinking the smell would make her try it but no!
she is one stubborn pussy cat..... its a shame because Moshi really enjoys
his food, some things I give him he rips to bits, playing with it, jumping
at it as he attacks it, its a real pleasure to watch. So natural......
great game. I tie bits of meat on a string and he loves grabbing it. She
just looks! :-(


SooZy, I'll send you the recipe I have for dry food.

Ann

"~*SooZy*~" wrote in message ...
"Ann Martin" wrote in message
om...
"~*SooZy*~" wrote
Cheryl, up until 14 years ago I fed my dogs and cats commercial
pet
foods and it seemed I had one of them at the vets every week or
two.
My one cat suffered from bladder stones and was on a prescription
diet. He had been on this over two years and was not improving.
When
I put my other pets on a homemade diet I decided I had nothing to
lose
if I put him on the same diet. He has not had an attack since and
he
is now 28 years old. My other two cats, ages 11 and 12 have never
eaten commercial foods and I have had only one trip to the vet
with
one of them and that was because he had a fur ball.

Ann really good to hear about the diet and it working so well, do
you
use a
teaspoon of bran each day? Have read that stops hairballs....... I
did
notice you only had a hairball problem once might I add?

SooZy, I do add bran but not every day. I usually add it if my old
guy gets constipated and it works very well. All my guys are
short-hair and are combed nearly every day, perhaps that is why they
have not developed furballs over the years. The addition of bran
would be great as a preventative for furballs.

Ann

Oh thanks Ann, Moshi is semi long haired being a Ragdoll and I groom
him
twice a day as he is a kitten so I want to treat grooming as a bonding
thing
between us which he enjoys, he comes over when he sea's the brush :-)
maybe
every other day to his diet would be enough do you think? Oh I wish my
Miss
Bebe would eat a homemade diet!

SooZy, you could try it every other day and see how it goes. There
are many people with old cats that do add it on a daily basis and the
cats seem to do very well. It's not going to do any harm. With Miss
Bebe you might try adding a small amount of your homemade diet to the
food she is eating now and gradually increase the amount until she is
completely on the homemade foods. Cats, unlike many dogs, take longer
to adjust to a new diet. It took my old cat about three months.

Good luck!
Ann

Ann I have tried, trouble is she only eats dried food so you can't hide it!
if she even smells any raw, cooked or wet cat food she wont touch her dried
food. She starved for over a week because I would not give in, trouble is
bebe is very lithe and I was worried she would make herself ill by not
eating! so I gave in.
She spends ages each day trying to hide Moshi's food bowls, scratching
around the dish why he is trying to eat!
When she stayed at my friends for 2 weeks all her cats 10 of them eat raw
and still she wouldn't even try it! I have tried, lamb, chickens liver,
hearts, kidneys, fish, chicken, beef slices, diced, mince, lamb, cooked and
raw, tried putting her dried food through the food processor and added a bit
of raw thinking the smell would make her try it but no!
she is one stubborn pussy cat..... its a shame because Moshi really enjoys
his food, some things I give him he rips to bits, playing with it, jumping
at it as he attacks it, its a real pleasure to watch. So natural......
great game. I tie bits of meat on a string and he loves grabbing it. She
just looks! :-(


SooZy, I'll send you the recipe I have for dry food.

Ann

Diseased parts ARE used.

This is NOT happening (in the US). Meat is rejected by inspectors.


Maybe for human consumption, but NOT for petfood. Wake up and smell the
coffee, Gaubster, or in this case, diseased carcases.

Do you have any proof?? Or is this just your opinion?