Outdoor cat poisoning - report back

"Meghan Noecker" wrote in message
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On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 01:11:25 -0400, "Mary"
wrote:

Very cool! Are they canned green beans? It's kind of funny, do
dogs usually eat green beans?



Yes, I get teh french style as they take her longer to eat. And no
salt added since the salt is bad for her heart. I stock up on the
sales. Last November, they went on sale for 33 cents a can (normally
$1.19), and I managed to get 62 cans during the sale. I had 12 left
when they went on sale again. I got another 60 cans. So, I am good to
go for awhile.

Your prices are close to what they are here. 33 cents is a great deal.

Jenny loves them. She gets excited when we fix up her bowl, and it
takes her awhile to slurp them down. We also put a few in the other
dogs bowl. She isn't overweight as she is much more active, but it
doesn't hurt. The other dog also gets a bone for breakfast and some
kibble as a snack at night. Jenny does get a very small amount of
canned cat food at night - I let her lick the can from the cats, and I
leave a little in it.

The hard part is trying to give treats to skinny Maynard as chubby
Jenny is no dummy. She knows when I am looking to see if she is
around. Then she goes just around the corner, or into one of my blind
spots. She listens intently, and if she hears food hit the floor, she
races in to catch me in the act. Then I have to give her a bite. If
only I could teach Maynard to shut up and not make so much noise when
he wants a treat.


Aren't they amazing that way? Last night Cheeks was in a deep
sleep at dinner time so I fed Buddha and waited on Cheeky's.
Then she woke up and no matter how quietly I did it, when the
saucer hit the counter Buddha was there looking at me. I am
NOT supposed to give one of them something without giving
the other something! It's against the rules!

"Phil P." wrote in message
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"Alison" wrote in message
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"Phil P." wrote in message
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"Alison" wrote in message

BTW , you mentioned some facts earlier on in the thread .Could you
back them up for me with proof, please? TIA Alison


I've asked you a few times how do you know if your cat has
difficulty
urinating or defecating , or bloody urine or diarrhea, or polyuria,
or a
urinary tract obstruction, if your cat eliminates outdoors, but
you, nor
any other outdoor proponent hasn't answered this simple question.

So, how do you know?

You've not actually asked me that The same way as you do by
observation.

So you follow your cat around outside to watch her eliminate and then
quickly examine the urine for blood and crystals before it soaks into the
ground? Okey dokey. Thanks for the explanation.


If a cat has diahrrea or straining to poo or wee, it
will be doing that inside as well as outside.

I see. Even if the cat has been trained to eliminate outdoors?


Cats that have UTI pee
on plastic , in baths etc regardless or whether they have outside
access or not .

Actually, most cats with urinary tract infections don't display any
symptoms
at all. Cats with FIC, urolithiasis/urinary tract obstruction and
crystalluria do. But you still wouldn't see them if the cat is used to
and
trained to eliminate outdoors.

The fact of the matter is you simply cannot monitor an outdoor cat's
elimination behavior as readily and accurately as an indoor cat's.

Phil, please do not confuse Alison with facts. For here they are just
things to slide by using sleazeball distraction tactics. The fact is, she
doesn't care. They must be FWEE.

"Mary" wrote
Assley and Alison live in urban areas. And Mathew Kagis
lives in British Columbia, where people out walking
regularly get attacked by wild cats. But stay on the safe
side. That way people won't dislike you for telling the
truth.



I said urban areas anywhere are not safe for cats to be outdoors, as well as
rural areas with known predators. It makes me cringe when people post on
RPCA about their cats getting in fights, or they haven't seen their
indoor/outdoor cat in days, or the cat came home injured, etc. That to me
says there is a known danger in that area and the cat should be inside.
But, like I said before, I can't take the stand that *all* cats *everywhere*
should be indoor-only. There are safe, low-traffic, predator-free areas, I
just haven't lived in one.

--
-Kelly
kelly at farringtons dot net
"Wake up, and smell the cat food" -TMBG

"Mathew Kagis" wrote in message
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"Meghan Noecker" wrote in message
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SNIP

Interesting. I am vaguely aware of them being mentioned on the news
occasionally, but I have never heard of one mentioned anywhere else
such as work.

And while there were some threats with the Space Needle and the New
Year's party, there was still a huge crowd there.

I'm sure things vary around the country, but the only real mention of
911 around here is the financial problems with the airline industry.
Boeing took a huge hit, and that affects a lot of people around here.

I am curious though. Why would somebody be afraid to help you move
because of a higher level threat? Was there a local target?

Meghan: You and Diane are a great example of what I mean.... Diane was
very aware of the alerts & was affected by them. You, only vaguely so.
Yet,
you were instantly curious about the 'threat' that affected Diane. You
mentioned two specific 'threats' that you have been aware of. The
constant
'threats' have caused concern & talk where Diane works.....

A constant atmosphere of: Threat... That has to have an effect on the mood
in the USA. The feeling of always being under seige. I just can't see how
it's good for your country.... Sure is good for military spending, though.


Jesus. You wish. Do you really think this half-baked effort
at determining "mass psychology" has any validity at all?
Before this it was the Cold War and Nuclear Holocaust.
It's always something.

"Just Conservative" wrote in message
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Mary said
"Just Conservative"
On Thu, 7 Apr, Mary said
"-L." wrote

American Sheeple are just too stupid to understand

This has been documented many times.
Many times.
Which of course, is why Bush's lies
worked so well on ignorant Americans.
They had no context.

This is all true. But your good Bud Lynnie here is a
socialist, Mr. Conservative.

Egads! Run and hide!

Why are Americans such a frightened,
and also; such a xenophobic lot?



I'm not afraid of Socialists. I keep pointing that
out because I find it hilarious. Key word: USSR.
Both communism and socialism are failed experiments.
So is democracy so far. All three are perfect only
in theory. I pointed Lynnie's political persuasions
out to you because you pronounce your
"conservatism" just as she announces her
"socialism."

Two clues for you: a condescending tone alone
does not get you far with anyone over the age of
7.

And if you are a "conservative" who likes
"socialists" you are really a liberal!

Just trying to help. (Meanwhile, I rarely
talk about my own political stance outside
the political groups I participate in, and my
circle of friends and family, and I sure don't
do it in a cat group.

What I don't understand is people who live in cram-packed suburban
or
urban neighborhoods and still let their cats outside. To me, THAT
is
insane.


Or conversely, a rural area with predators lurking.

--
-Kelly

I imagine no rural area is completely without predators of some kind.
You just have to get to know your predators. I know there are coyotes
here, because I hear them at night. However, I've never seen one in the
daytime, and I've lived here practically my whole life. Owls are
another night-time hunter. Never seen an opossum or raccoon in the
daytime either. That's why no cat, ever, ever, IMO should be out at
night. This is way OT, but the only critter who ambles right up to the
front door in the daytime is an armadillo. He is quite tame and seems
to like me. (yeah, I know better, but it *seems* that way). He sniffs
my shoes, and I give him a good talking-to about digging up my flower
bed. I think I might be the next armadillo whisperer.

Sherry

"Marcia" wrote in message
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"-L." wrote in message
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Mathew Kagis wrote:



9/11 was horrible!!! But it should not be used as a blanket excuse
to turn
the freedom loving USA into a police state.

--
Mathew
Butler to 2 kittens: Chablis & Muscat
En Vino Veritas

But the American Sheeple are just too stupid to understand and way to
apathetic to care, Mathew...

-L.


As are (most) of the British.

Bush will be gone shortly and when he is a Democrat
will come in and undo what he has done. I know you've
seen it many times. It's a swinging pendulum. It is actually
one of the better things about the checks and balances
system in democratic governments. What is scary: if
the Democrats miscalculate the power of the religious
right and other strong Befublican backers, and we get
another right-wing extremist Republican in the White
House. But then again, even three terms of them
(Reagan twice then Daddy Bush) did not keep
President Clinton from turning some things around
again. Example: the deficit.

"Lorraine" wrote in message
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On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 09:12:58 GMT, "Mathew Kagis"
wrote:

A constant atmosphere of: Threat... That has to have an effect on the
mood
in the USA. The feeling of always being under seige. I just can't see how
it's good for your country.... Sure is good for military spending,
though.

"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of
the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are
being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and
exposing the country to greater danger. It works the same in any
country."

-Hermann Goering (1893 - 1946)

Lorraine, that is a wonderful quote!!

"Alison" wrote in message
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"Mary" wrote in message
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MaryYou have made a claim here but I see no documentation for it.
I want you to provide documentation for your claim. Van den Bos
father was Dutch but he was raised in England, as was de Cock Buning.
Prove otherwise.


Sorry , I don't know what "claim" mean.
Alison


Hahahahaha! Bimbo!

That's our Mary
I said "Van den Bos and de Cock Buning are British. Okay! " because
you told me they were so that's *your* claim they are British.
Looks like I not the Bimbo here.
Alison



Are you sure that's what I said? I need documentation.
And did you mean Hans Van den Bos or Andre Van
den Bos?

hahahahaha! Idiot.

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What I don't understand is people who live in cram-packed suburban
or
urban neighborhoods and still let their cats outside. To me, THAT
is
insane.


Or conversely, a rural area with predators lurking.

--
-Kelly

I imagine no rural area is completely without predators of some kind.
You just have to get to know your predators. I know there are coyotes
here, because I hear them at night. However, I've never seen one in the
daytime, and I've lived here practically my whole life. Owls are
another night-time hunter. Never seen an opossum or raccoon in the
daytime either. That's why no cat, ever, ever, IMO should be out at
night. This is way OT, but the only critter who ambles right up to the
front door in the daytime is an armadillo. He is quite tame and seems
to like me. (yeah, I know better, but it *seems* that way). He sniffs
my shoes, and I give him a good talking-to about digging up my flower
bed. I think I might be the next armadillo whisperer.



I love armadillos! Unfortunately in Texas I mostly only saw them
dead on the road. They're so prehistoric looking!